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Kurdish language is a northwest Iranian language. By the time of the (Aryan) Medes northwest Iranian dialect already existed. Like Kurdic also the language of the Medes was Northwestern Iranic and also an 'ergative' language, like all ancient proto-Iranic languages. According to the Kurds, we evolved directly from the Medes. When people talk about the Medes, they do actually talk about the Kurds. The Medes were the ancient KurdsQuote:
Originally Posted by SharpFork
- Tajiks are not from Persia. Iranian-like people lived in Tajikistan and Central Asia (South) since the Neolithic, they are eastern iranians, it's almost like saying Kurds are africans because they are from africa originallyQuote:
Originally Posted by MS85
- Medes and Kurds are not synonymous terms
- Gutians, elamites, kassites didn't speak an iranian language (they probably got absorbed by the iranic tribes)
The Medes were Aryan people and spoke a northwest Iranian language (like the Kurds). According to the Kurds, Kurds are Aryans because we are the direct descendants of the Aryan Medes. When we compare the DNA of the Aryan Medes with the Kurds we can conclude that Kurds are more than for 90% Medes.
The only people on this planet who are the closest (generically, linguistically and culturally) to the Medes are the Kurds. Why there is no component of the 'Medes' in auDNA calculators? I'm sure that the Kurds will score the highest point of all humans on those calculators that emphasis the Medians ancestry.
- Tajiks are originally from Persia. They speak PERSIAN/Farsi, a southwest Iranian language. The language they speak as their native language evolved in Persia, this is a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp Snow
- Medes = Kurds. Kurds and Medes speak the same language, the Medes lived in the same area as the Kurds. And the Medes had the same religion as original Kurds. Mithraism = Yezidism
- Dude, once again, Elamites lived NOT in Kurdistan. It were the Gutians and Kassites who lived in the Zagros Mountains. Many scientists are telling us that Gutians spoke ancient Iranic. Kassites were 100% Iranic people who evolved from the Gutians and related to the Mitanni. Kassites believed in IRANIC Gods and the names of their leaders were very Iranic
About the ARYAN Kassites:
" Kassite Gods
Many Kassite Gods have names in the Indo-European languages. Some names can be closely identified with the names of Gods in Sanskrit, notably Kassite Suriash (Sanskrit Surya); Maruttash (Sanskrit, the Maruts); and possibly Shimalia (the Himalaya Mountains in India). The Kassite storm god Buriash (Uburiash, or Burariash) has been identified with the Greek God Boreas, the God of the North Wind. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica there are some 30 names of Gods known, but so far, I have been able to find only about 24 of them from various sources. Most of these words occur in Mesopotamian texts of the 14th and 13th centuries BCE.
Bugash, possibly the name of a god, it is also used as a title.
Buriash, Ubriash, or Burariash, a storm god, (= Greek Boreas)
Duniash, a deity
Gidar, corresponding to Babylonian Adar
Hala, a Goddess, wife of Adar/Nusku, see Shala
Harbe, lord of the pantheon, symbolized by a bird, corresponding to Bel, Enlil or Anu
Hardash, possibly the name of a god
Hudha, corresponding to a Babylonian “Air-God”
Indash, possibly corresponding to Sanskrit Indra
Kamulla, corresponding to Babylonian Ea
Kashshu, (Kassu) a god, eponymous ancestor of the Kassite kings
Maruttash, or Muruttash, (possibly corresponding to the Vedic Maruts, a plural form)
Miriash, a Goddess (of the earth?), probably the same as the next one
Mirizir, a Goddess, corresponding to Belet, the Babylonian Goddess Beltis, i.e. Ishtar = the planet Venus; symbolized with the 8 pointed star
Nanai, or Nanna, possibly a Babylonian name, the Goddess Ishtar (Venus star) as a huntress, appearing on kudurrus as a female on a throne.
Shah, a sun god, corresponding to Babylonian Shamash, and possibly to Sanskrit Sahi.
Shala, a Goddess, symbolized by a barley stalk, also called Hala
Shihu, one of the names of Marduk
Shimalia, Goddess of the mountains, a form of the name Himalaya, Semele, see Shumalia
Shipak, a moon God
Shugab, God of the underworld, corresponding to Babylonian Nêrgal
Shugurra, corresponding to Babylonian Marduk
Shumalia, Goddess symbolized by a bird on perch, one of two deities associated with the investiture of kings
Shuqamuna, a God symbolized by a bird on a perch, one of two associated with the investiture of kings
Shuriash, corresponding to Babylonian Shamash, and possibly to Vedic Surya, also a sun god, but this might be the star Sirius, which has an arrow as a symbol
Turgu, a deity "
http://piereligion.org/kassite.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kassite_deities
Kassites were similar to the Mitanni, like the Medes were similar to the Persians. Kassites/Mitanni gave birth to West Iranian races like the Medes.
" Thus for example the first Kassite king, Gandash, has a name which is rather obviously reminiscent of the Indian deity Ganesha, whilst other kings such as Abirattash, Kara-indash, and Burnaburish (or Burraburiash) are equally to be placed in the Indo-Iranian family. The name Burraburiash may even be a precise equivalent of the Persian Gobryas. "
http://www.hyksos.org/index.php?titl..._and_Scythians
" Kassites
Kassites or Cassites (both: kăsˈĪts) [key], ancient people, probably of Indo-European origin. They were first mentioned in historical texts as occupying the W Iranian plateau. In the 18th cent. B.C. they swept down on Babylonia, conquered the region, and ruled there until the 12th cent. B.C., when they returned to the Iranian plateau. They remained more or less independent until the beginning of the Christian era, when they disappeared from history. "
http://www.infoplease.com/encycloped.../kassites.html
Kassites & Kossaeans
" Several modern historians such as K. Balkan (in 1986, p. 8) and M. Heinz (in 1995, p. 167) have stated that the Kassite rulers of Babylon were members of the Indo-Iranian Kossaean people based in Hamadan-Kermanshah-Luristan area, but whose origins are not mentioned in historical records. The historians make several additional conclusions or assumptions:
First, that the Kossaeans mentioned by Greek writers were the successors of the Babylonian Kassites who were driven out of Babylonia by conquering Elamites (neighbours of the Kossaeans) in the 12th century BCE.
Second, that the Kassites in fleeing to Kossaea were returning to their ancestral lands.
Third, that the Kassites were originally Indo-Iranian Kossaeans who had settled the Hamadan-Kermanshah-Luristan area prior to the 17th century BCE.
Fourth, that the Indo-Iranian Kossaeans were immigrants to the area since they are not mentioned as being among the peoples who inhabited the central and southern Zagros in Sargonic (2270-2215 BCE) and Ur III / Third Dynasty of Ur era (21st to 20th century BCE) inscriptions. As we shall see below, these assumptions and conclusions are plausible.
Hamadan and Kermanshah, are two provinces with eponymous capital cities that straddle the northern Zagros mountains placing them strategically on the Aryan trade roads - the Silk Roads. Luristan lies to their south and the Iranian province of Elam is found to the west of Luristan. Elam and Kermanshah border modern-day Iraq and what would have been Northern Babylonia (see map). "
http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zor...a/kassites.htm
" Mesopotamia witnessed the arrival about 1760 bce of the Kassites, who introduced the horse and the chariot and bore Indo-European names. "
https://www.britannica.com/place/Ind...riod#ref485125
'-ashman' , '-dash' , 'ship-' are clearly Iranic/Aryan components in those names.
Yezidism did not really exist, it's all basically Iranian polytheism which is obviously a very heterogeneous thing, I don't think trying to actually scientifically find cultural continuity within such a system is useful thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by MS85
It's impossible that the Gutians or Kassites spoke Iranic or any IE languages, maybe the late Gutians were Iranians in disguise but that's another story. You are just making stuff up tbh.
Yeah they shifted languages about 1000 years ago but genetically they didn’t shift they are still 100% Kurdish just like the Lur guy you postedQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Also according to the Gamkrelidze & Ivanov who were responsible for the revolutionary Armenian Model of the first stage of PIEan, which has been proven right by the genetics, Gutians were related to the ancient Iranic people.
The heart of the Yezidism is the SUN + 7 angels. Ezdi Kurds call our GOD 'Xode Shems'. Xode = God, Shems = Sun. The name of out GOD is the 'Sun God'. Mithra was a Sun God. Aso like within Mithraism fire temples are very important for us. We are the children of SUN and FIRE.Quote:
Originally Posted by SharpFork
Of course, our religion right now is thousands of years younger than Mithraism and during time our religions has been modified and updated to modern times. Like all other religions.
Gutians never left their writings. What we know is that the Gutians used Akkadian during their rule of Babylon. There are many scientists, like Gamkrelidze & Ivanov, who link Gutians to the Iranic people.
Kassites had IRANIC Gods and their Kings had Iranic names, this is a fact.
Those higher frequencies in Afghanistan and N. India are founder effect, but I agree steppe is higher in Afghanistan than Kurdistan. BTW, R1a can be as high as 40% in some kurdish areas. You probably need 10000 samples from all areas of Kurdistan to get more accurate numbersQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
http://corduene.blogspot.com/2016/08...equencies.html
Also can’t use admixture calculators with Caucasian component to measure Steppe in west Asians because Caucasian references hide alot of steppe. For ex MDLP k11 which has EHG component (steppe marker) shows me and other kurds about 34% EHG
MDLP K11 2xOracle and OracleX4
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 EHG 34.68
2 Basal 23.92
3 Neolithic 13.10
4 ASI 9.49
5 SEA 6.80
6 Iran-Mesolithic 6.50
7 WHG 1.96
8 African 1.85
9 Siberian 1.13
Finished reading population data. 161 populations found.
11 components mode.
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Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Iran_Chalcolithic @ 13.402205
2 Armenia_MLBA @ 17.022766
3 Armenia_MBA @ 19.655437
4 Armenia_Chalcolithic @ 20.643805
5 Armenia_LBA @ 20.939823
6 Armenia_EBA @ 21.152573
7 Iran_LN @ 22.274822
8 Iran_Mesolithic @ 34.011688
9 Hungary_IronAge @ 36.024734
10 Iran_N @ 36.762024
11 British_Roman @ 37.093658
12 Russia_IA @ 39.778934
13 Scythian_IA @ 40.623672
14 Anatolia_Chalcolithic @ 42.658421
15 Kostenki14_Upper_Paleolithic @ 42.816273
16 Vestonice14_Gravettian @ 43.836662
17 Satsurblia_CHG @ 44.088249
18 Irish_BA @ 44.410225
19 Iron_Age @ 44.545898
20 Siberian_Upper_Paleolithic @ 44.700199
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% British_Roman +50% Iran_Mesolithic @ 10.754436
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Iran_Chalcolithic +25% Iran_Chalcolithic +25% Ust_Ishim_Upper_Ãœaleolothic @ 9.157703