New improved World Medieval G25 unscaled calculator

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Originally Posted by LukaszM

It is a kit from G25 spreadsheet. You can check it by yourself.

Albanian:ALB212

ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN,93
SLAVIC,4.8
BALTIC,0.8
ANATOLIAN,0.6
GRECO-ROMAN,0.6
AFRICAN,0.2

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Although I really appreciate enthusiasts like you and Ph2ter with their job and enthusiasm in this field, still calculators like this one, at the end of the day is just a calculator.
It doesn't mean that you are really what the calculators show you are.
I also think that so many samples just skew up the results.
Basically no chance for anyone in the Balkans to be only 5-6% Slavic apart from some Greek islanders and isolated populations like Maniots.
For more realistic results, just a few ancient populations is enough, especially if it's historically verified as well.

A model like this one for the Southern Balkans is enough I think:

"sample": "ALB212",
"fit": 2.2449,
"Balkans_IA": 58.33,
"Avar_Hungary_Szolad": 22.5,
"Mycenaean": 17.5,
"Armenia_IA_Lchashen_Metsamor": 1.67,

"sample": "Dibran",
"fit": 2.553,
"Balkans_IA": 36.67,
"Mycenaean": 33.33,
"Avar_Hungary_Szolad": 28.33,
"Armenia_IA_Lchashen_Metsamor": 1.67,

"sample": "Albanian:Average",
"fit": 1.4528,
"Avar_Hungary_Szolad": 33.33,
"Mycenaean": 30.83,
"Balkans_IA": 27.5,
"Armenia_IA_Lchashen_Metsamor": 8.33,

"sample": "Greek:Average",
"fit": 1.1578,
"Mycenaean": 35,
"Avar_Hungary_Szolad": 30.83,
"Balkans_IA": 21.67,
"Armenia_IA_Lchashen_Metsamor": 12.5,

"sample": "Greek_Crete:Average",
"fit": 2.234,
"Balkans_IA": 34.17,
"Mycenaean": 31.67,
"Armenia_IA_Lchashen_Metsamor": 30.83,
"Avar_Hungary_Szolad": 3.33,

"sample": "*****",
"fit": 2.0983,
"Avar_Hungary_Szolad": 38.33,
"Balkans_IA": 35,
"Mycenaean": 19.17,
"Armenia_IA_Lchashen_Metsamor": 7.5,

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Originally Posted by ph2ter

Usual errors include unwanted spaces between numbers. You must erase all spaces.
Also this calc is intented to be run with pen=0.001.
Simply before ')' put ',pen=0.001'

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I still get results, do you think this error alters them?

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Originally Posted by Gründig

I always get this warning:

"Warning message:
In read.table(file = file, header = header, sep = sep, quote = quote, :
incomplete final line found by readTableHeader on 'unscaled.text'"

any idea why? does it change my results?

also, what do i add into R to get pen=0?

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Open your target file, place cursor at the end near your last character, hit enter to change line and save the file.

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Originally Posted by ph2ter

[1] "distance%=1.0484"

Albanian

ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN,67.6
GRECO-ROMAN,14.6
SLAVIC,11.2
ANATOLIAN,2.8
BALTIC,2.6
NORTH_URALIC,0.4
SOUTHEAST-ASIA,0.4
ALANIC,0.2
JAPANESE,0.2

[1] "distance%=0.7441"

Greek_Crete

GRECO-ROMAN,45.8
ANATOLIAN,21.4
ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN,17.6
LEVANTINE,7
TARTESSIAN,2.6
PERSIAN,2.4
ALANIC,1
IBERIAN,0.8
AFRICAN,0.6
BALTIC,0.2
CELTIBERIAN,0.2
SLAVIC,0.2
VIKING-RUS,0.2

[1] "distance%=1.2281"

Greek_Central_Anatolia

GRECO-ROMAN,60.6
ANATOLIAN,14.2
ALANIC,10.2
ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN,7
PERSIAN,5.4
LEVANTINE,2.6

[1] "distance%=1.7064"

Greek_Trabzon

ALANIC,56.4
GRECO-ROMAN,30.4
PERSIAN,6.4
ANATOLIAN,4.6
LEVANTINE,2.2

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Interesting. I have more Greco-Roman than Albanian Average. Would I be typical or are there quite a few individually.

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Originally Posted by *****

Although I really appreciate enthusiasts like you and Ph2ter with their job and enthusiasm in this field, still calculators like this one, at the end of the day is just a calculator.
It doesn't mean that you are really what the calculators show you are.
I also think that so many samples just skew up the results.
Basically no chance for anyone in the Balkans to be only 5-6% Slavic apart from some Greek islanders and isolated populations like Maniots.
For more realistic results, just a few ancient populations is enough, especially if it's historically verified as well.

A model like this one for the Southern Balkans is enough I think:

"sample": "ALB212",
"fit": 2.2449,
"Balkans_IA": 58.33,
"Avar_Hungary_Szolad": 22.5,
"Mycenaean": 17.5,
"Armenia_IA_Lchashen_Metsamor": 1.67,

"sample": "Dibran",
"fit": 2.553,
"Balkans_IA": 36.67,
"Mycenaean": 33.33,
"Avar_Hungary_Szolad": 28.33,
"Armenia_IA_Lchashen_Metsamor": 1.67,

"sample": "Albanian:Average",
"fit": 1.4528,
"Avar_Hungary_Szolad": 33.33,
"Mycenaean": 30.83,
"Balkans_IA": 27.5,
"Armenia_IA_Lchashen_Metsamor": 8.33,

"sample": "Greek:Average",
"fit": 1.1578,
"Mycenaean": 35,
"Avar_Hungary_Szolad": 30.83,
"Balkans_IA": 21.67,
"Armenia_IA_Lchashen_Metsamor": 12.5,

"sample": "Greek_Crete:Average",
"fit": 2.234,
"Balkans_IA": 34.17,
"Mycenaean": 31.67,
"Armenia_IA_Lchashen_Metsamor": 30.83,
"Avar_Hungary_Szolad": 3.33,

"sample": "*****",
"fit": 2.0983,
"Avar_Hungary_Szolad": 38.33,
"Balkans_IA": 35,
"Mycenaean": 19.17,
"Armenia_IA_Lchashen_Metsamor": 7.5,

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ASk randwulf at anthrogenica to help you with co-ordinates. He did this for me with updated spreadsheet and the fits are very close.

All moderns:

distance%: 0.44

Montenegrin 18.66
Greek 13.56
Polish 12.94
Belarusian 11.6
Druze 11.03
Ukrainian 8.7
Albanian 6.34
Czech 5.5
Russian_Voronez 4.07
German 3.21
Lithuanian 2.6
Bosnian 1.42
Biaka 0.36

Custom model

distance%: 0.48

Greek 33.82
Belarusian 23.88
Czech 12.1
Polish 11.31
Albanian 9.71
Montenegrin 9.18

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Originally Posted by Dick

ASk randwulf at anthrogenica to help you with co-ordinates. He did this for me with updated spreadsheet and the fits are very close.

All moderns:

distance%: 0.44

Montenegrin 18.66
Greek 13.56
Polish 12.94
Belarusian 11.6
Druze 11.03
Ukrainian 8.7
Albanian 6.34
Czech 5.5
Russian_Voronez 4.07
German 3.21
Lithuanian 2.6
Bosnian 1.42
Biaka 0.36

Custom model

distance%: 0.48

Greek 33.82
Belarusian 23.88
Czech 12.1
Polish 11.31
Albanian 9.71
Montenegrin 9.18

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That looks blurry...
I mean, wtf, Druze, Belorussian, Greek, like one big stew.
Overall, what you need to know is the average of your native population, whether you are southern, northern, eastern or western shifted.
That might give you some clues about your modern ancestry.
Even PCA's would work just fine.
Some random chap, without any experience in this staff, might think that he really does have a Belorussian or a Druze ancestry just by looking at that nMonte model...

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Originally Posted by *****

That looks blurry...
I mean, wtf, Druze, Belorussian, Greek, like one big stew.
Overall, what you need to know is the average of your native population, whether you are southern, northern, eastern or western shifted.
That might give you some clues about your modern ancestry.
Even PCA's would work just fine.
Some random chap, without any experience in this staff, might think that he really does have a Belorussian or a Druze ancestry just by looking at that nMonte model...

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Why? We’re actually mutts. No shame in that

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Originally Posted by Dick

Why? We’re actually mutts. No shame in that

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Yes, but mix from ancient and medieval populations, not from modern ones!
For example, your "Druze" in this calc, might just be a reflection of an ancient Balkan ancestry!

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Originally Posted by *****

Yes, but mix from ancient and medieval populations, not from modern ones!
For example, your "Druze" in this calc, might just be a reflection of an ancient Balkan ancestry!

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Ok fine you’re Ancient Macedonian son of Aleksanadr

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Originally Posted by Dick

Ok fine you’re Ancient Macedonian son of Aleksanadr

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Naah, I might just be a descendant of Samuel or Krum!