I don’t take these country distributions seriously as some countries use them for propaganda or political gains.Quote:
Originally Posted by MiloshN
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I don’t take these country distributions seriously as some countries use them for propaganda or political gains.Quote:
Originally Posted by MiloshN
hgs are only too small a part of us. What matters is what we are today. I am E-V13 but I look a bit like mutated slav but slav. I speak Slavian and write Slav.Quote:
Originally Posted by valentinavalley2
Haplogroup E is old as fuck it’s 5th oldest haplo in the world and therefore it’s very diverse and the separation time between certain subclades can be a enormous, so it’s better to refer specifically to E-M78 to narrow down any significant information as far as Europeans are concerned. E-M78 itself is already estimated to be 28,000 years old. Going further beyond that in history things get murky and you need to be a legit historian/geneticist/anthropologist to not make mistakes because the margin of error is huge going back so far in history with the little evidence that we have right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by valentinavalley2
All of European E-V13 have a most common ancestor that is 5,500 years old. But where he came from. Where his ancestors were. When E-M78 entered Europe nobody can answer at this point and if they say they can for sure they are larping because there is no evidence of it and the main theory of Neolithic farmers bringing it is debunked at this point.
As far as sea peoples are concerned I don’t think they were a homogeneous E-V13 people only.
It’s worth finding out the truth about the origin of a haplogroup though especially a controversial one such as E-V13Quote:
Originally Posted by MiloshN
ya, that's nice to know. But the past cannot be changed, the future can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daos777
Haplogroup E cannot be 5,500 years old in Europe as a skeleton in Spain was found to be older then 7,000 years old. That same Haplogroup is said to be the same as 5 Albanians, and 2 Greeks I think that were tested.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daos777
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You didn’t understand what I said lol. I said modern European E-V13 all come from the same man who lived 5,500 years ago. We don’t know what culture this person belonged to. Where his ancestors came from. Or if he was a a direct descendant of the E-V13 found in Spain.All we know is that he lived 5,500 years ago and all modern E-V13 supposedly come from this man.Quote:
Originally Posted by valentinavalley2
Really it was the same subclade of E-V13? Post links.Quote:
Originally Posted by valentinavalley2
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Originally Posted by Daos777
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Here is what 23andMe has to say about E-V13, for what it is worth.
Origin and Migrations of Haplogroup E-M78
Your paternal line stems from the common ancestor of haplogroup E-M78, a branch of E that dates back approximately 24,000 years. The earliest carriers of the E-M78 lineage likely lived in a population that moved from eastern Africa into northeastern Africa about 14,000 years ago, during the final days of the Ice Age. From northeastern Africa, their descendants expanded to the west between the Sahara and the Mediterranean coastline, and to the east out of Africa into the Middle East, where E-M78 men remain common.
Today, men bearing this haplogroup are also common in southern Europe, including in the Balkans, Iberia, and Italy. In Greece, Bulgaria, and Albania, between 15% and 30% of men bear haplogroup E-M78. Their ancestors were likely relatively late arrivals to the region. While some branches of haplogroup E were carried into Europe nearly 8,000 years ago, recent research suggests that the major spread of E-M78 occurred in the last 5,000 years or so during the Bronze Age. Bronze Age cultures learned to smelt tin and copper to create beautiful and complex bronze items like hardier tools and weapons. They journeyed along river waterways in the Balkans and spread into east-central Europe. Today, men from Ukraine, Hungary, Romania, and Slovakia all carry E-M78 at levels of nearly 10%.
While the majority of E-M78 European males trace their recent ancestry to Turkey and the Middle East, some men carrying E-M78 from Spain, Italy and Greece trace their ancestry directly from North African populations, probably within the last 4,000 years. The ancestors of these men must have sailed across the Mediterranean Sea and settled in communities along the European coast.
Your paternal haplogroup, E-V13, traces back to a man who lived approximately 11,000 years ago.
That's nearly 440.0 generations ago! What happened between then and now? As researchers and citizen scientists discover more about your haplogroup, new details may be added to the story of your paternal line.
Your haplogroup migrated in large numbers from the Balkans into Europe about 4,500 years ago, triggered by the beginning of the Balkan Bronze Age. During this migration, members of your haplogroup mainly followed rivers connecting the southern Balkans to northern-central Europe. Technological leaps often cause lineages to grow dramatically in numbers and in geographic range. The development of Bronze technology may have given men in your lineage a competitive advantage over other men, causing your lineage to proliferate and become widespread.
References
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17351267
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27111036
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26108492