Serbian Autosomal DNA

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Originally Posted by Vožd

Herzegovina was considered as Vlach center in western Balkan, but this region is core of Slavic I2a-Din hg.

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Herzegovinian Vlachs were fake Vlachs, they were just in "vlach" social status. Most of Herzegovinian clans who are recorded as "Vlach" in the middle age and early Ottoman period have Slavic y dna.

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Originally Posted by Vožd

Herzegovina was considered as Vlach center in western Balkan, but this region is core of Slavic I2a-Din hg.

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there are big differences within Herzegovina. the lowlands have more i2 and r1a and are more Slavic autosomally, and the highlands(where the Vlachs are) less so.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

there are big differences within Herzegovina. the lowlands have more i2 and r1a and are more Slavic autosomally, and the highlands(where the Vlachs are) less so.

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Old Herzegovina (western Montenegro) have pretty much non-Slavic y dna, like Kriči J2b1-M205, Drobnjaci Novljani I1-P109, Banjani and Pivljani N-P189.2 etc.

BiH Herzegovina has strong domination of Slavic y dna, among all 3 religions.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Herzegovinian Vlachs were fake Vlachs, they were just in "vlach" social status. Most of Herzegovinian clans who are recorded as "Vlach" in the middle age and early Ottoman period have Slavic y dna.

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Agree. "Vlachs" in Bosnia was also synonym for Orthodox Christians.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

all the samples divided into clusters

https://i.imgur.com/h7W9yu2.png

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Great job! :thumb001:

How did you do it?

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Can you post K13 of Dalmatian Serb who is most norhwestern of D. Serbs on your K13 map. He is close to one Serb from W. Serbia.

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i'm not sure which one you mean, but it should be this one. very average Serb result with NA on the higher end.

Serb_Dalmatia
North_Atlantic	28.69
Baltic	29.30
West_Med	14.98
West_Asian	5.98
East_Med	16.26
Red_Sea	2.86
South_Asian	0.41
East_Asian	0.00
Siberian	1.51
Amerindian	0.00
Oceanian	0.00
Northeast_African	0.00
Sub_Saharan	0.00

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Great job! :thumb001:

How did you do it?

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excel, Past3 and some editing in paint. just paste results(k13 or any other calc) from excel into Past, then go Multivariate>clustering>classical.

https://folk.uio.no/ohammer/past/ (it seems version 4 is out now.)

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Originally Posted by Vožd

Agree. "Vlachs" in Bosnia was also synonym for Orthodox Christians.

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Old Herzegovina became part Montenegro in 1878. But Old Herzegovina is tribal same as Brda and Old Montenegro. BiH Herzegovina is not tribal.
There is a view that natural Montenegro is where exist tribes. In that case Old Herzegovina is natural Montenegro, regardless on fact that became part of Montenegro in 1878.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

i'm not sure which one you mean, but it should be this one. very average Serb result with NA on the higher end.

Serb_Dalmatia
North_Atlantic	28.69
Baltic	29.30
West_Med	14.98
West_Asian	5.98
East_Med	16.26
Red_Sea	2.86
South_Asian	0.41
East_Asian	0.00
Siberian	1.51
Amerindian	0.00
Oceanian	0.00
Northeast_African	0.00
Sub_Saharan	0.00

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I know that guy, he is from Šibenik area. I have seen one D. Serb who is more NW than him, but not sure on your or on map of Croatian guy from Zagorje.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

I know that guy, he is from Šibenik area. I have seen one D. Serb who is more NW than him, but not sure on your or on map of Croatian guy from Zagorje.

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you mean the old k15 map? k15 is not very reliable, i don't use it anymore.

it's probably this one, it's the most northern D.Serb k15 i have, his first 4 components add up to 68%. i only have his k15.

North_Sea	20.55
Atlantic	16.22
Baltic	17.39
Eastern_Euro	14.31
West_Med	13.08
West_Asian	4.08
East_Med	12.61
Red_Sea	1.33
South_Asian	0
Southeast_Asian	0
Siberian	0.1
Amerindian	0
Oceanian	0.34
Northeast_African	0
Sub0Saharan	0