Macedonian Gedmatch kits

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Originally Posted by bained

Some of these macedonians plot closer to me than any bulgarian. And the oldest mention of my family name is from Zagorichani, Kostursko during 1905. The prophecy is true.

All of you guys seem to have Macedonian ancestry to certain degrees. This is honestly the reason why i believe Macedonians and Bulgarians are so similar genetically.

I'm guessing your family left Zagorichani after the massacre committed by the Greeks there in 1905.

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"I doubt whether anyone can from merely reading the consular reports and monthly statistics of crimescommitted by the Greeks, form an adequate conception of the intense suffering of the Macedonian population of this unfortunate region".

The Eastern Question 1774 - 1923, N.S Anderson, 1974, London, p.145
Vasil Bogov, Macedonian Revelation, p.265

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Originally Posted by Vojnik

All of you guys seem to have Macedonian ancestry to certain degrees. This is honestly the reason why i believe Macedonians and Bulgarians are so similar genetically.

I'm guessing your family left Zagorichani after the massacre committed by the Greeks there in 1905.

I have no information about it. Probably was before that or for some reason everybody forgot about it. I found some guy on facebook from Resen, Macedonia with the same family name, but he refuses to talk to me.

There are many reasons for it, but that's another conversation that leads to insults and hysteria. In the same manner, I can claim the opposite and still be correct. Anyway, I'm just trying to explain my atypical results and I've finally found people close to me.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP

Nice are you partly Macedonian ?

Not that I'm aware of. I tracked my ancestors until 1878 and all of them are from the central part of Bulgaria. My DNA is very atypical for the region.

BTW, it would explain my enormous love for the song "Makedonsko Devoiche".

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Originally Posted by Vojnik

All of you guys seem to have Macedonian ancestry to certain degrees. This is honestly the reason why i believe Macedonians and Bulgarians are so similar genetically.

It's more ancient than that. Bulgarians and Macedonians have native and Slavic in similar proportions.

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Originally Posted by bained

I have no information about it. Probably was before that or for some reason everybody forgot about it. I found some guy on facebook from Resen, Macedonia with the same family name, but he refuses to talk to me.
There are many reasons for it, but that's another conversation that leads to insults and hysteria. In the same manner, I can claim the opposite and still be correct. Anyway, I'm just trying to explain my atypical results and I've finally found people close to me.

Not that I'm aware of. I tracked my ancestors until 1878 and all of them are from the central part of Bulgaria. My DNA is very atypical for the region.

BTW, it would explain my enormous love for the song "Makedonsko Devoiche".

But you can't. There's no sources which state a large influx of Bulgarians to Macedonia. But there is evidence of Macedonians migrating all over Bulgaria in large numbers.

There's noting wrong with that. Just makes you think what the results would have been if Bulgarains never had a such a big genetic impact from recent Macedonian settlement in Bulgaria.

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Originally Posted by Vojnik

But you can't. There's no sources which state a large influx of Bulgarians to Macedonia. But there is evidence of Macedonians migrating all over Bulgaria in large numbers.

There's noting wrong with that. Just makes you think what the results would have been if Bulgarains never had a such a big genetic impact from recent Macedonian settlement in Bulgaria.

Oh God, here we go again. I seriously don't want to lead this conversation, because I don't care. I pursue strictly egoistical purpose in DNA.

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Originally Posted by Vojnik

But you can't. There's no sources which state a large influx of Bulgarians to Macedonia. But there is evidence of Macedonians migrating all over Bulgaria in large numbers.

There's noting wrong with that. Just makes you think what the results would have been if Bulgarains never had a such a big genetic impact from recent Macedonian settlement in Bulgaria.

The migration of Macedonians to Bulgaria is a recent phenomenon, in the last 15 years, for economical reasons (work, study). Before that, there was a migration of Bulgarians from Macedonia to Bulgaria. My family viewed themselves as regionally Macedonian and ethnically Bulgarian, and probably so did most of the people who went to Bulgaria, otherwise they would have gone to Yugoslavia, like your family did.

The results would have been pretty much the same if there wasn't any migration, Bulgarians with no ancestry from Macedonia score similar, so do Romanians from Wallachia, Montenegrins and some Albanians.

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Originally Posted by Lioncourt

The migration of Macedonians to Bulgaria is a recent phenomenon, in the last 15 years, for economical reasons (work, study). Before that, there was a migration of Bulgarians from Macedonia to Bulgaria. My family viewed themselves as regionally Macedonian and ethnically Bulgarian, and probably so did most of the people who went to Bulgaria, otherwise they would have gone to Yugoslavia, like your family did.

The results would have been pretty much the same if there wasn't any migration, Bulgarians with no ancestry from Macedonia score similar, so do Romanians from Wallachia, Montenegrins and some Albanians.

Yeah , but there were many migrations by Macedonians from Macedonia to Bulgaria and also by Macedonians from Aegea Macedonia to Bulgaria especially around Black Sea.Im not speaking about last few decades, i speak about 100-120 years ago,thats nothing wrong,people migrating in past too often,i want to say for example Southwest Bulgaria by census records till 1945 year was populated by Macedonians like 80%,also from US State Department document shows census of 1956 year in Bulgaria with around 200,000 Macedonians who live there, but again i know this conversation will lead in wrong way ,im not fighting bro just discussing, i think many of these migrations and other circumastances made us very close and thats good !Cheers brate!

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Originally Posted by Lioncourt

The migration of Macedonians to Bulgaria is a recent phenomenon, in the last 15 years, for economical reasons (work, study). Before that, there was a migration of Bulgarians from Macedonia to Bulgaria. My family viewed themselves as regionally Macedonian and ethnically Bulgarian, and probably so did most of the people who went to Bulgaria, otherwise they would have gone to Yugoslavia, like your family did.

The results would have been pretty much the same if there wasn't any migration, Bulgarians with no ancestry from Macedonia score similar, so do Romanians from Wallachia, Montenegrins and some Albanians.

When did i say my family went to Yugoslavia? Half are from Lerin, the other half from Bitola. It is a 20 minute drive between those two towns. Exactly the same stock of people really.

The Macedonians migrating to Bulgaria formed a Bulgarian identity after some years spent in Bulgaria. In schools and churches, filled with propaganda.

One more Macedonian Eurogenes k13 result.No kit number ,its from forum posts.

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Admix Results (sorted): # Population Percent 1 East_Med 20.78 2 Baltic 20.63 3 North_Atlantic 20.33 4 West_Med 19.35 5 West_Asian 12.86 6 Red_Sea 4.12 7 Amerindian 1.39 8 Northeast_African 0.4 9 Siberian 0.11 10 East_Asian 0.02 Single Population Sharing: # Population (source) Distance 1 Bulgarian 4.38 2 Greek_Thessaly 5.97 3 Romanian 6.38 4 Serbian 10.67 5 Italian_Abruzzo 12.45 6 Central_Greek 12.48 7 Tuscan 12.87 8 East_Sicilian 13.77 9 West_Sicilian 14.04 10 North_Italian 14.88 11 Moldavian 15.97 12 Ashkenazi 16.05 13 South_Italian 16.86 14 Hungarian 18.81 15 Croatian 19.02 16 Austrian 21.13 17 Portuguese 21.54 18 Spanish_Extremadura 22.12 19 Spanish_Galicia 22.24 20 Algerian_Jewish 22.5 Mixed Mode Population Sharing: # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 60.5% Central_Greek + 39.5% Croatian @ 1.76 2 56.2% Central_Greek + 43.8% Moldavian @ 1.88 3 67.2% Central_Greek + 32.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.89 4 70.7% Central_Greek + 29.3% Polish @ 1.96 5 68.4% Central_Greek + 31.6% Ukrainian @ 2.03 6 51.4% Moldavian + 48.6% South_Italian @ 2.03 7 60.2% South_Italian + 39.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.06 8 53.8% East_Sicilian + 46.2% Moldavian @ 2.19 9 53% South_Italian + 47% Croatian @ 2.23 10 78.5% Bulgarian + 21.5% East_Sicilian @ 2.31 11 61.5% South_Italian + 38.5% Ukrainian @ 2.33 12 74.2% Greek_Thessaly + 25.8% Moldavian @ 2.35 13 58.2% East_Sicilian + 41.8% Croatian @ 2.35 14 76.9% Bulgarian + 23.1% Central_Greek @ 2.37 15 72% Central_Greek + 28% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.37 16 68.2% Central_Greek + 31.8% South_Polish @ 2.4 17 59.9% Bulgarian + 40.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.42 18 82.1% Bulgarian + 17.9% South_Italian @ 2.44 19 64% South_Italian + 36% Polish @ 2.44 20 65.4% South_Italian + 34.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.46

Closest populations to Macedonian samples from K13 Eurogenes.

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Distance to: Vlach_North-Macedonia 3.91461349 Kosovo_Albanian 4.13471054 North_Macedonian 4.40844644 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope 4.69486954 Bulgarian_Plovdiv 4.89497702 Macedonian_Southeast 4.89898969 Greek_Central-Macedonia 4.96505790 Bulgarian_Gabrovo 5.11829073 Bulgarian_Serres 5.21273441 Bulgarian_Central 5.35772340 Macedonian_Northwest 5.52200145 Pomak_Nevrokopi 5.58783500 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia 5.63889174 Bulgarian 5.68591242 Macedonian_North 5.78089093 Macedonian_Central 5.80525624 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora 5.81604677 Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes 6.05198315 Macedonian_East 6.09923766 Greek_Western-Macedonia 6.58057748 Turk_Kavala 6.67097444 Greek_Thessaloniki 6.71233767 Macedonian 6.78074480 Albanian 6.80893531 Turk_Alexandroupoli 6.91316859 Romanian_Oltenia

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Distance to: Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central 3.04304124 Greek_Thessaloniki 4.12563934 Albanian 4.19652237 Greek_Northern-Thrace 4.25675933 Macedonian_Southwest 4.25868524 Bulgarian_Plovdiv 4.37782276 Kosovo_Albanian 4.43430942 Macedonian_East 4.55782843 Macedonian_North 4.65229849 North_Macedonian 5.37954459 Macedonian_Central 5.56550986 Greek_Western-Macedonia 5.74221624 Bulgarian_Thrace 5.89966948 Turk_Thessaloniki 5.99549831 Bulgarian_Central 6.08809494 Greek_Central-Macedonia 6.16213437 Bulgarian 6.27110038 Pomak_Nevrokopi 6.28813963 Greek_Thessaly 6.39767145 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope 6.57066968 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia 6.59917419 Romanian_Muntenia 6.78658972 Macedonian_Northwest 7.05022222 GR_Macedonia 7.12199410 Macedonian_Greece 7.18315390 Turk_Kazanlik

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Distance to: Macedonian_Southwest 3.15924042 Macedonian_North 4.09976829 Greek_Thessaloniki 4.25675933 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central 4.66185585 Macedonian_Central 5.02448007 Greek_Northern-Thrace 5.76001090 Bulgarian_Thrace 6.06340663 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander 6.17955500 Macedonian_East 6.18271785 Macedonian_Greece 6.23677801 Bulgarian_Pazardzhik 6.30572756 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East 6.48039351 Pomak_Nevrokopi 6.60544472 Albanian 6.82198651 Bulgarian 7.03568271 North_Macedonian 7.06535208 Vlach_North-Macedonia 7.40735812 Kosovo_Albanian 7.42427774 Turk_Thessaloniki 7.44823917 GR_Macedonia 7.50503831 Bulgarian_Plovdiv 7.56697430 Romanian_Muntenia 7.58589481 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope 7.59354989 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora 7.66403288 Macedonian_Northwest 7.67506352 Vlach_Central-Macedonia

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Distance to: Macedonian_Central 3.39344957 Macedonian_North 4.08871618 Pomak_Nevrokopi 4.21647957 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope 4.26373076 Bulgarian 4.35011494 Bulgarian_Pazardzhik 4.66185585 Macedonian_Southwest 4.81641983 Bulgarian_Gabrovo 4.93070989 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora 5.10453720 Macedonian_Northwest 5.23766169 Greek_Northern-Thrace 5.37954459 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central 5.70092810 North_Macedonian 5.73589575 Macedonian_Greece 5.78089093 Vlach_North-Macedonia 5.80344725 Romanian_Muntenia 5.91104052 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander 6.01015497 Macedonian 6.07820697 Greek_Thessaloniki 6.10578414 Macedonian_East 6.24330842 Bulgarian_Central 6.30284063 Pomak_Drama 6.78283864 Bulgarian_Plovdiv 6.84154538 Kosovo_Albanian 6.89912313 Bulgarian_Sofia 6.92061117 Bulgarian_Thrace

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Distance to: Macedonian_Southeast 3.29390346 Turk_Kavala 4.38449541 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope 4.76355959 Greek_Western-Macedonia 4.81640945 Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes 4.89497702 Vlach_North-Macedonia 4.94998990 Turk_Alexandroupoli 4.97567081 Pomak_Nevrokopi 5.15378502 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander 5.16686009 Kosovo_Albanian 5.50280837 Greek_Central-Macedonia 5.50997278 Bulgarian_Plovdiv 5.60068746 Pomak_Drama 5.70684677 Turk_Stara-Zagora 5.91932429 Bulgarian_Gabrovo 6.08911324 Pomak_Central-Macedonia 6.12449182 Bulgarian_Burgas 6.18628321 Bulgarian 6.32576725 North_Macedonian 6.51545342 GR_Macedonia 6.59690079 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia 6.66439044 Turk_Kazanlik 6.71253305 Turk_Dobrich 6.77084190 Turk_Thessaloniki 6.78689914 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora 6.78785680 Turk_Drama

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Distance to: Macedonian_East 2.85666436 North_Macedonian 3.05439028 Bulgarian_Central 3.68624470 Romanian_Muntenia 4.04357515 Macedonian_Northwest 4.22602650 Macedonian_North 4.30614677 Bulgarian_Plovdiv 4.43430942 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central 4.62004329 Bulgarian 4.65929853 Macedonian 5.25514986 Bulgarian_Serres 5.33634707 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander 5.44437324 Bulgarian_Southwest 5.55295417 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora 5.78824671 Romanian_Oltenia 5.81792918 Bulgarian_Gabrovo 5.85799454 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope 6.01155554 Pomak_Plovdiv 6.04218504 Pomak_Nevrokopi 6.05198315 Vlach_North-Macedonia 6.10578414 Macedonian_Central 6.17955500 Macedonian_Southwest 6.19881440 Greek_Northern-Thrace 6.22010450 Bosniak_Sandzak 6.30938983 Greek_Thessaloniki 6.46869289 Kosovo_Albanian

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Distance to: Macedonian_Northwest 2.42846628 Macedonian 2.43885219 Bulgarian_Central 2.58244071 Bulgarian_Gabrovo 2.77667067 Romanian_Oltenia 2.96374763 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora 3.02676395 Bulgarian 3.29322505 North_Macedonian 3.30448181 Bosniak_Sandzak 3.67170260 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope 3.68937664 Romanian_Muntenia 3.81811532 Montenegrin 4.04357515 Macedonian_East 4.06637431 Romanian_Transylvania 4.39600955 Bulgarian_Serres 4.80726533 Macedonian_North 4.83178021 Pomak_Nevrokopi 5.10453720 Macedonian_Central 5.21978927 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova 5.31168523 Bulgarian_Sofia 5.35772340 Vlach_North-Macedonia 5.42708025 Romanian_Average 5.56587819 Bulgarian_Pleven 5.59657038 Bulgarian_Plovdiv 5.72762604 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander 5.96480511 Bulgarian_Southwest

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Distance to: Macedonian_North 3.15924042 Macedonian_Southwest 3.39344957 Macedonian_Central 4.22602650 Macedonian_East 4.40167014 Bulgarian 4.55782843 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central 4.80726533 Macedonian_Northwest 4.84362468 Pomak_Nevrokopi 4.92740106 North_Macedonian 5.03795593 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora 5.07430783 Bulgarian_Pazardzhik 5.10643711 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander 5.16157922 Romanian_Muntenia 5.29154095 Macedonian 5.44455691 Bulgarian_Gabrovo 5.45338427 Bulgarian_Central 5.51574111 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope 5.53364256 Greek_Northern-Thrace 5.57235139 Bulgarian_Serres 5.59035777 Greek_Thessaloniki 5.68591242 Vlach_North-Macedonia 6.15610266 Bulgarian_Sofia 6.29890467 Bulgarian_Plovdiv 6.45049610 Pomak_Plovdiv 6.59499810 Bosniak_Sandzak 6.93813375 Romanian_Oltenia

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Distance to: Macedonian_Greece 4.32989607 Greek_Northern-Thrace 4.40205634 Pomak_Komotini 5.06688267 Pomak_Drama 5.09092134 Bulgarian_Thrace 5.36639233 GR_Macedonia 5.66901226 Pomak_Nevrokopi 5.73589575 Macedonian_Central 5.86059724 Turk_Drama 5.94042928 Greek_Thessaloniki 6.14166915 Turk_Thessaloniki 6.18271785 Macedonian_Southwest 7.03134411 Macedonian_North 7.10732017 Bulgarian_Pazardzhik 7.10992968 Bulgarian 7.12199410 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central 7.44545499 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope 7.58841881 Turk_Xanthi 7.64189113 Greek_Eastern-Thrace 7.84520236 Macedonian_Southeast 7.87750595 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander 8.06311974 Turk_Dobrich 8.34333866 Greek_Western-Macedonia 8.38536821 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East 8.40746097 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora 8.55883170 Bulgarian_Gabrovo

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