South Slavic & neighbours gedmatch results - vol.2

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

They have different origins, customs and dialect than Bosnians, in all of these they are closest to Zagora.
I need to find out where from are Bosnian_Croat academic samples posted by Vbnethkio.

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That is one and polital borders are other thing.

Serbs from Bosanska Krajina are related with Serbs from Dalmatia, Lika, Kordun and Banija (especially with Lika and Dalmatian Serbs). All of them are connected with migrations from one side on other and in a circle for centuries. Still Bosanska Krajina Serbs are geographically located in Bosnia like Serbs from East Bosnia, regardless they are much more related with Lika/Dalmatia/Kordun/Banija Serbs than with East Bosnia Serbs. Bosanska Krajina Serbs are not classic Bosnians, most of them don't have stereotypical Bosnian accent like those from Ozren area or East Bosnia for example.

^^^^Do you find these people trough FTDNA? Can you teach me how?

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

That is one and polital borders are other thing.

Serbs from Bosanska Krajina are related with Serbs from Dalmatia, Lika, Kordun and Banija (especially with Lika and Dalmatian Serbs). All of them are connected with migrations from one side on other and in a circle for centuries. Still Bosanska Krajina Serbs are geographically located in Bosnia like Serbs from East Bosnia, regardless they are much more related with Lika/Dalmatia/Kordun/Banija Serbs than with East Bosnia Serbs. Bosanska Krajina Serbs are not classic Bosnians, most of them they don't have stereotypical Bosnian accent like those from Ozren region or East Bosnia for example.

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You have a point, yes. I won't add Livno to Herzegovina. It will be Tropolje region.
So I will have Bosnia, Herzegovina and Tropolje for BiH Croats, we'll see how they score.

''Real Bosnia'' is actually not big. To me real Bosnia is Zenica, Kakanj, Sarajevo...
Area in light + dark green (central Bosnia+Vrhbosna). Also east Bosnia in yellow, I guess...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...je_BiH.svg.png

But ofcourse, this is too puritan definition.

Špar, from the island Ugljan, near Zadar (like Belfranin whose results I posted long ago):

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Kit A351756

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.29
2 North_Atlantic 25.87
3 West_Med 16.08
4 East_Med 10.09
5 West_Asian 7.56
6 Red_Sea 2.86
7 Siberian 1.14
8 Oceanian 0.82
9 Amerindian 0.62
10 Sub-Saharan 0.51
11 East_Asian 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.12
2 Croatian 3.17
3 Hungarian 7.14
4 Serbian 8.1
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.93
6 South_Polish 10.19
7 Ukrainian 10.39
8 Austrian 10.99
9 East_German 11.07
10 Romanian 11.65
11 Polish 13.33
12 Bulgarian 13.66
13 Southwest_Russian 14.11
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.51
15 Russian_Smolensk 15.49
16 Estonian_Polish 15.98
17 Belorussian 16.72
18 Kargopol_Russian 17.87
19 West_German 18.52
20 Southwest_Finnish 18.84

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22.8% West_Sicilian @ 1.96
2 74.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 25.2% Tuscan @ 1.98
3 94.6% Croatian + 5.4% Moroccan @ 1.99
4 94.6% Croatian + 5.4% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.04
5 94.6% Croatian + 5.4% Tunisian @ 2.06
6 94.6% Croatian + 5.4% Algerian @ 2.07
7 95.1% Croatian + 4.9% Sardinian @ 2.16
8 94.4% Croatian + 5.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.23
9 93.2% Croatian + 6.8% East_Sicilian @ 2.28
10 93% Croatian + 7% West_Sicilian @ 2.28
11 91% Croatian + 9% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.3
12 93% Croatian + 7% Central_Greek @ 2.31
13 94.7% Croatian + 5.3% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.31
14 93.9% Croatian + 6.1% South_Italian @ 2.32
15 95.1% Croatian + 4.9% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.32
16 95.1% Croatian + 4.9% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.32
17 94.7% Croatian + 5.3% Italian_Jewish @ 2.33
18 92.3% Croatian + 7.7% Tuscan @ 2.33
19 95.8% Croatian + 4.2% Bedouin @ 2.35
20 93.7% Croatian + 6.3% Ashkenazi @ 2.37

Son of Špar and Belfranin (so you can count him among the Ugljen Croats)

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Kit M508107

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 29.33
2 Baltic 27.35
3 West_Med 16.04
4 East_Med 15.35
5 West_Asian 7.34
6 Red_Sea 1.51
7 South_Asian 0.98
8 Siberian 0.77
9 East_Asian 0.76
10 Amerindian 0.33
11 Sub-Saharan 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 2.91
2 Romanian 6.59
3 Hungarian 7.14
4 Moldavian 8.53
5 Bulgarian 9.37
6 Austrian 9.57
7 Croatian 9.59
8 East_German 11.36
9 West_German 14.13
10 French 15.6
11 South_Dutch 15.62
12 South_Polish 15.91
13 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.03
14 North_Italian 16.83
15 Greek_Thessaly 16.9
16 Ukrainian 17.11
17 North_German 18.92
18 Portuguese 18.97
19 Tuscan 19
20 Spanish_Galicia 19.24

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.5% South_Polish + 45.5% Tuscan @ 1.47
2 90.5% Serbian + 9.5% Southeast_English @ 1.92
3 88% Serbian + 12% South_Dutch @ 2
4 71% Hungarian + 29% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.01
5 91.4% Serbian + 8.6% Orcadian @ 2.01
6 82.8% Hungarian + 17.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.02
7 77.3% Hungarian + 22.7% West_Sicilian @ 2.04
8 87.1% Serbian + 12.9% West_German @ 2.04
9 91.7% Serbian + 8.3% Southwest_English @ 2.04
10 91.1% Serbian + 8.9% Danish @ 2.05
11 92.2% Serbian + 7.8% West_Scottish @ 2.08
12 91.4% Serbian + 8.6% North_Dutch @ 2.1
13 91.9% Serbian + 8.1% Norwegian @ 2.11
14 92.2% Serbian + 7.8% Irish @ 2.12
15 82.4% Serbian + 17.6% Austrian @ 2.12
16 85% Serbian + 15% East_German @ 2.15
17 88.7% Serbian + 11.3% French @ 2.15
18 91.8% Serbian + 8.2% Swedish @ 2.17
19 90.6% Serbian + 9.4% North_German @ 2.17
20 50.9% Tuscan + 49.1% Polish @ 2.2

Ledinek, Slovene:

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Kit YW6362077

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.48
2 North_Atlantic 30.5
3 West_Med 12.49
4 East_Med 10.02
5 West_Asian 7.87
6 South_Asian 1.91
7 Red_Sea 0.66
8 Amerindian 0.52
9 Sub-Saharan 0.47
10 Siberian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.76
2 Hungarian 4.1
3 Moldavian 6.49
4 South_Polish 7.02
5 East_German 7.7
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.8
7 Austrian 8.18
8 Ukrainian 8.77
9 Serbian 10.05
10 Polish 10.81
11 Southwest_Russian 12.46
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.69
13 Russian_Smolensk 13.47
14 Estonian_Polish 14.1
15 Romanian 14.14
16 Belorussian 14.37
17 Southwest_Finnish 15.2
18 North_Swedish 15.96
19 West_German 16.19
20 Bulgarian 16.58

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.6% Hungarian + 22.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.93
2 82% South_Polish + 18% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.02
3 80.7% South_Polish + 19.3% Tuscan @ 2.03
4 77.7% Hungarian + 22.3% Southwest_Russian @ 2.08
5 70.8% Hungarian + 29.2% Ukrainian @ 2.1
6 59.5% South_Polish + 40.5% Serbian @ 2.15
7 82.8% South_Polish + 17.2% West_Sicilian @ 2.19
8 68.4% Hungarian + 31.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.19
9 79.4% Hungarian + 20.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.22
10 66% Hungarian + 34% South_Polish @ 2.23
11 84.9% Croatian + 15.1% North_German @ 2.26
12 86.7% Croatian + 13.3% Danish @ 2.27
13 80.4% Hungarian + 19.6% Estonian_Polish @ 2.32
14 53.4% Croatian + 46.6% Hungarian @ 2.34
15 87.4% Croatian + 12.6% Norwegian @ 2.37
16 86.1% Croatian + 13.9% Swedish @ 2.37
17 67.8% South_Polish + 32.2% Romanian @ 2.38
18 87.4% Croatian + 12.6% North_Dutch @ 2.41
19 85% Hungarian + 15% Lithuanian @ 2.42
20 84.6% South_Polish + 15.4% South_Italian @ 2.43

Šutalo, Croat from Herzegovina:

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Kit PQ6381149

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.04
2 North_Atlantic 21.54
3 East_Med 18.38
4 West_Med 12.67
5 West_Asian 11.36
6 Red_Sea 1.72
7 Oceanian 0.8
8 South_Asian 0.75
9 Sub-Saharan 0.39
10 Siberian 0.36

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 7.68
2 Moldavian 7.9
3 Romanian 8.27
4 Bulgarian 8.73
5 Croatian 10.41
6 Hungarian 12.3
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.56
8 South_Polish 16.45
9 Ukrainian 16.65
10 Austrian 16.73
11 Greek_Thessaly 17.06
12 East_German 17.8
13 Southwest_Russian 18.41
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.53
15 Polish 19.74
16 Russian_Smolensk 20.87
17 Estonian_Polish 21.38
18 Tatar 21.57
19 Belorussian 21.85
20 West_German 22.66

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.7% Ukrainian + 28.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.32
2 57.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 42.1% Ashkenazi @ 2.6
3 64.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 35.9% Italian_Jewish @ 2.63
4 63% Belorussian + 37% Cyprian @ 2.7
5 64.1% Russian_Smolensk + 35.9% Cyprian @ 2.8
6 56.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 43.9% Central_Greek @ 2.81
7 56.3% Southwest_Russian + 43.7% Central_Greek @ 2.85
8 60.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 39.6% South_Italian @ 2.9
9 72.8% South_Polish + 27.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.91
10 67% Southwest_Russian + 33% Cyprian @ 2.91
11 72.5% Ukrainian + 27.5% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.93
12 64.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 35.8% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.95
13 57.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 42.6% East_Sicilian @ 3
14 65.4% Polish + 34.6% Cyprian @ 3.01
15 69.3% Ukrainian + 30.7% Cyprian @ 3.01
16 63.6% Estonian_Polish + 36.4% Cyprian @ 3.03
17 73.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 26.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.03
18 69.6% South_Polish + 30.4% Cyprian @ 3.04
19 58.6% Lithuanian + 41.4% Cyprian @ 3.06
20 64.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 35.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.09

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All added to the database :)

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

I have trouble with where to include Livno samples, have plenty.
Livno, Duvno and Kupres are Tropolje/Završje region, region on exact border between Bosnia, Herzegovina and Dalmatia (tromeđa)

Geographically Livno is rather SW Bosnia, but by origin of population and linguistics I found out they are by vast majority from Dalmatia by origin.
Since they have lot of similarities with Herzegovina and are majority Croats, many include them in Herzegovina.

My father who is quite expert on this claims Livno is closest to Dalmatian hinterland, not either Bosnia or Herzegovina.
There is some truth in that since it looks like account of people who own Sinj and Livno samples are connected and these people are all related.

But, political border is the problem.

I would prefer to add Livno into Dalmatian Hinterland average because origins matter more than politics, but I probably won't.

Will make separate Tropolje average and if it is too similar with Herzegovina one I will blend them togheder. Not going to add it to Bosnia, customs and mentality, etc are too different although geographically it could be counted as part of it.

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I am partially from a village between Livno and Sinj, my family from there looks quite slavic, their surnames are the most common in Dalmatia and they speak like people from Sinj. In my opinion they're basically Hinterland Dalmatians in every single way but if u can't include them in the Dalmatian average, just add them to the Herzegovinian average. Because they really aren't Bosnian, at least the villages west of Livno, and in my opinion they aren't Herzegovinian either.