Croat K13 regional (and national) averages

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Originally Posted by MoroLP

Possibly didn't receive it, had some problems with the server. Well, will post here the EU13 results.

1) 30.77,33.45,13.10,6.89,13.45,0,1.02,0,0,0.44,0.86, 0,0

The individual paternal side is from villages around Pazin and Zminj (Northern Chakavian dialect), while maternal side from Medimurje.

2) 22.71,39.93,14.55,4.08,14.98,2.41,0,0.86,0,0,0.48, 0,0

I don't know exactly from where this sample is, but is from the same uploader, and closely related to the first in 1.5-2 generation, probably as a cousin from Istria (presume by Italian *name and NA-Baltic ratio). The uploader didn't answer me yet.

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Distance to: Istria/Međimurje_Croat

3.43985465 Croat_Central_Croatia
3.85440008 Croat_Croatia
3.96811038 Croat_Gorski_kotar
3.97807743 Croat_Zagreb
3.98700389 Croat
4.29201584 Hungarian
4.52868781 Slovenian
5.18811141 Croat_Bosnia
5.22682504 Szekely_Hungarian
5.32292213 Croat_Lika-Senj
5.44152552 Hungarian_East
5.75438094 Croat_BiH
6.33959778 Moldova_North
6.36011006 Croat_Zagorje
6.40641085 Croat_Tropolje
6.50475211 Croat_Herzegovina
6.71938241 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
6.77784941 Slovak
6.98242078 Hungarian_Transdanubia
7.11432798 Bosniak_Sarajevo
7.14615981 Bosniak
7.25248923 Serb_B&H
7.48979305 Croat_Dalmatia
7.49157527 Csango_Hungarian
7.54180350 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija


Other sample (presumably Istrian?)

Distance to: X

8.81553742 Croat_Lika-Senj
9.08733734 Croat_Bosnia
9.30836183 Croat_Herzegovina
9.66033643 Moldova_North
9.78044478 Croat_BiH
9.94123581 Bosniak_Sarajevo
10.18032416 Croat
10.18908730 Croat_Zagreb
10.23636166 Szekely_Hungarian
10.36869326 Croat_Croatia
10.49272605 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
10.61233716 Croat_Tropolje
10.61269052 Bosniak
10.74766951 Croat_Central_Croatia
10.87597352 Croat_Dalmatia
10.97879775 Croat_Istria
10.98572710 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
11.16388821 Serb_B&H
11.19052082 Slovenian
11.56156748 Slovak
11.66533754 Serb_Croatia
11.81514706 Ukrainian_Lviv
11.81934854 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
11.90635125 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
11.96855463 Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Distance to: Istria/Međimurje_Croat

3.43985465 Croat_Central_Croatia
3.85440008 Croat_Croatia
3.96811038 Croat_Gorski_kotar
3.97807743 Croat_Zagreb
3.98700389 Croat
4.29201584 Hungarian
4.52868781 Slovenian
5.18811141 Croat_Bosnia
5.22682504 Szekely_Hungarian
5.32292213 Croat_Lika-Senj
5.44152552 Hungarian_East
5.75438094 Croat_BiH
6.33959778 Moldova_North
6.36011006 Croat_Zagorje
6.40641085 Croat_Tropolje
6.50475211 Croat_Herzegovina
6.71938241 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
6.77784941 Slovak
6.98242078 Hungarian_Transdanubia
7.11432798 Bosniak_Sarajevo
7.14615981 Bosniak
7.25248923 Serb_B&H
7.48979305 Croat_Dalmatia
7.49157527 Csango_Hungarian
7.54180350 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija


Other sample (presumably Istrian?)

Distance to: X

8.81553742 Croat_Lika-Senj
9.08733734 Croat_Bosnia
9.30836183 Croat_Herzegovina
9.66033643 Moldova_North
9.78044478 Croat_BiH
9.94123581 Bosniak_Sarajevo
10.18032416 Croat
10.18908730 Croat_Zagreb
10.23636166 Szekely_Hungarian
10.36869326 Croat_Croatia
10.49272605 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
10.61233716 Croat_Tropolje
10.61269052 Bosniak
10.74766951 Croat_Central_Croatia
10.87597352 Croat_Dalmatia
10.97879775 Croat_Istria
10.98572710 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
11.16388821 Serb_B&H
11.19052082 Slovenian
11.56156748 Slovak
11.66533754 Serb_Croatia
11.81514706 Ukrainian_Lviv
11.81934854 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
11.90635125 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
11.96855463 Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia

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Can you share this G25 list, or you had on some topic?

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Distance to: Istria/Međimurje_Croat

3.43985465 Croat_Central_Croatia
3.85440008 Croat_Croatia
3.96811038 Croat_Gorski_kotar
3.97807743 Croat_Zagreb
3.98700389 Croat
4.29201584 Hungarian
4.52868781 Slovenian
5.18811141 Croat_Bosnia
5.22682504 Szekely_Hungarian
5.32292213 Croat_Lika-Senj
5.44152552 Hungarian_East
5.75438094 Croat_BiH
6.33959778 Moldova_North
6.36011006 Croat_Zagorje
6.40641085 Croat_Tropolje
6.50475211 Croat_Herzegovina
6.71938241 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
6.77784941 Slovak
6.98242078 Hungarian_Transdanubia
7.11432798 Bosniak_Sarajevo
7.14615981 Bosniak
7.25248923 Serb_B&H
7.48979305 Croat_Dalmatia
7.49157527 Csango_Hungarian
7.54180350 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija


Other sample (presumably Istrian?)

Distance to: X

8.81553742 Croat_Lika-Senj
9.08733734 Croat_Bosnia
9.30836183 Croat_Herzegovina
9.66033643 Moldova_North
9.78044478 Croat_BiH
9.94123581 Bosniak_Sarajevo
10.18032416 Croat
10.18908730 Croat_Zagreb
10.23636166 Szekely_Hungarian
10.36869326 Croat_Croatia
10.49272605 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
10.61233716 Croat_Tropolje
10.61269052 Bosniak
10.74766951 Croat_Central_Croatia
10.87597352 Croat_Dalmatia
10.97879775 Croat_Istria
10.98572710 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
11.16388821 Serb_B&H
11.19052082 Slovenian
11.56156748 Slovak
11.66533754 Serb_Croatia
11.81514706 Ukrainian_Lviv
11.81934854 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
11.90635125 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
11.96855463 Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia

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Istria/Međimurje_Croat makes sense.

X is a bit strange, probably a cousin with mixed origin. Went again to check EU13 Oracle on Gedmatch:

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 7.94
2 Moldavian 8.83
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.22
4 Ukrainian 10.45
5 South_Polish 11.28

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.1% Lithuanian + 31.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.37
2 74.7% Estonian_Polish + 25.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.46
3 63.6% Lithuanian + 36.4% Ashkenazi @ 4.62
4 70.8% Estonian_Polish + 29.2% Ashkenazi @ 4.62
5 68.3% Lithuanian + 31.7% Italian_Jewish @ 4.69
6 74.9% Estonian_Polish + 25.1% Italian_Jewish @ 4.71
7 73.9% Belorussian + 26.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.82
8 69.9% Belorussian + 30.1% Ashkenazi @ 5.11

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Originally Posted by Insuperable

You think all of Zagorje's North Atlantic comes from Celtic tribes living in the area?

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I think most of it does. What do you think?

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

I think most of it does. What do you think?

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Idk. If I had to guess I would say these Celtic tribes had not much to do with it.

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Originally Posted by Insuperable

Idk. If I had to guess I would say these Celtic tribes had not much to do with it.

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You think it is more recent central Euro influence?

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

You think it is more recent central Euro influence?

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It seems hard to find some northern Croat without German, Hungarian, Slovenian, Czech etc ancestry.

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Originally Posted by Insuperable

It seems hard to find some northern Croat without German, Hungarian, Slovenian, Czech etc ancestry.

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I think you are wrong. Rural north Croats are very unmixed. Most mixed region is Slavonia.
And ofcourse old Zagreb citizens.

Are ph2ter and Celine from rural area?

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Originally Posted by Insuperable

Are ph2ter and Celine from rural area?

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Idk. There is no history of foreign settlement in NW Croatia in significant amount, unlike in Slavonia.
My opinion is they are just Panonnian Slavic in origin who became part of Croatian Kingdom in medieval.

Ph2ter is mixed?