Origin of I2-din. Slavic, Paleo-Balkan or?

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Originally Posted by Bosniensis

Awesome.

I am English then.

I identify as Anglo-Saxon from now on. Following your logic.

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Not really as it's not your mother tongue and you don't draw your cultural heritage from it.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

These dark Slavic men look nothing like southern Europeans and you know it, they are much taller and more masculine. If you ever visited real Med country you would notice the difference :)

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Take your pills pls. There are children watching your comments and they are actually appauled. You are an angry person.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

These dark Slavic men look nothing like southern Europeans and you know it, they are much taller and more masculine. If you ever visited real Med country you would notice the difference :)

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Actually I visited Italy 2 times (Greece too but I was child so I dont remember well) and yeah, there is difference (even in facial features, South Slavs have more masculine faces) I agree with that. Anyway, I thought wog=dark (at least that is how people from North call South Europeans, including South East Europe). :)

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Originally Posted by Jugo

Take your pills pls. There are children watching your comments and they are actually appauled. You are an angry person.

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Whose sock are you, Jugo? Incelslayer?

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Originally Posted by Terminator98

Selfhating Bosniensis (Slavic part) vs selfhating Feiichy (Balkan part) vs PaleoEuropean true lover of I2 HG and honorary Balkaner. Who will win in this clash of titans, I wonder? :eusa_eh::icon_eek:

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This needs more visibility.

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Originally Posted by Jugo

Take your pills pls. There are children watching your comments and they are actually appauled. You are an angry person.

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Whose sock are you, Jugo? Incelslayer?

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Whose sock are you, Jugo? Incelslayer?

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IncelSlayer is in love with you, he wouldn't say that.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Whose sock are you, Jugo? Incelslayer?

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Everybody tells you to get help you obviously need and I am a sock? Everyone here knows exactly I am right. Revert back to what I said. Like I said: Pills and quick.

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Originally Posted by Kamal900

It doesn't exist anywhere in the middle east or north africa, and yes, it is Slavic since it originated in what is now Ukraine and so on not so long ago which geneticists use it as a proxy of Slavic male migrants to the balkans at the early middle ages which Croats, Bosniaks, Serbs and other Southern Slavs have high frequency of such haplogroup and clade. It's not only R1a that ancient Slavs belong to btw.

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It does exist in the Middle east and North Africa but no where in particular high frequencies, Kurdistan is at 6%

Caucasus region
Region/Haplogroup I R1a R1b G J2 J1 E T L Q N Others Sample size
Abkhazians 3 10 3.5 47.5 26.5 2.5 0.5 0.5 5 0.5 0 0
Adygei 2.5 10.5 2.5 53.5 14.5 7.5 1 1.5 2.5 1.5 1.5 0
Armenians 4.5 5 30 11.5 22 10.5 6 4 3 1 0.5 2
Avars 0 2.5 2.5 0 4.5 66.5 7 4.5 9 0 0 2.5
Azeri 3 7 11 18 30.5 11 5.5 4 7 0 0 3
Chechens 0.5 4 2 5.5 56.5 21 0 0 7 0 0 3
Dargins 0.5 8.5 2 1.5 1.5 84 0 0 0 0 0 2
Georgians 2 9 10 30 27 16 2 1.5 1.5 1 0 0
Ingush 1 3.5 0 2 88 2.5 0 0 3 0 0 0
Kabardino-Balkarians 3.5 21 8.5 38 15.5 5 0.5 0.5 0.5 2 0.5 2
Karachay-Cherkessians 4 19.5 4.5 40.5 18.5 5.5 0.5 1 0 0.5 1.5 2
Kumyks 0 13 20 12 25 21 2.5 1.5 0 0 0 5
Lezgins 2 2.5 21.5 17.5 1.5 43.5 3.5 6 1 0 1 0
Nogays 6 14.5 18 8 13.5 13 0 0.5 0 0.5 9 16.5
Ossetians 6.5 2 10 56 15 2 3.5 2 0.5 1.5 0 1
Middle East
Region/Haplogroup I R1a R1b G J2 J1 E T L Q N Others Sample size
Iran 0.5 15.5 9.5 10 23 8.5 6.5 3 6.5 5.5 1 10.5
Iraq 4 5.5 9.5 2.5 19.5 43 9.5 3.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 1.5
South Iraq (Marsh Arabs)
0 0 3 1.5 3.5 81 6.5 0 0.5 3 0 1.5
Jordan 3.5 1.5 18 4 13 31 26 0.5 0 0 0 2.5
Kurdistan 6 10.5 11 5 23.5 12 12.5 5.5 2 0.1 0 11.5
Lebanon 5 2.5 8 6.5 26 20 17.5 5 5 2 0 2.5
Palestine 0 1.5 8.5 3 17 38.5 19.5 7 0 0 0 5
Saudi Arabia 0 5 2 3 16 40 7.5 5 2 2.5 0 17
Syria 5 10 13.5 3 17 30 11.5 5 3 0 0 2
United Arab Emirates 0 7.5 4 4 10 35 11.5 5 3 2 0 8
Yemen 0 0 0 1.5 8.5 72.5 13 0 0 0 0 0
North Africa
Region/Haplogroup I R1a R1b G J2 J1 E T L Q N Others Sample size
Algeria 0 0.5 9.5 0.5 5 22 59 0 0 0.5 0 3
Egypt 0.5 2 6 5.5 6.5 21 46 6 1 0.5 0 5
Morocco 0 0 4.5 0.5 1.5 6.5 83 0 0 0 0 4
Tunisia 0 0.5 2 0.5 3 16.5 72 1 0 0 0 5.5

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Originally Posted by Ford

A Slav is someone who speaks a Slavic language, as it's an ethno-linguistic group. Just as Germanics and Romance people are. And I don't think anyones denies that I2 is native European in the sense that it's connected to Hunter-Gatherers, but rather its association to certain cultural groups in antiquity and early medieval period.

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True but his question was just the origin, he never asked why it was concentrated there. I fully agree that a good chunk of the I2 population could have been re-introduced through Slavic speakers. I wouldn't think of Slavs as a single people until Rus though because generally they didn't play well with each other. There wouldn't be a major difference in Balkan people and Pre-Slavic Eastern Europeans, they both are heavy mix of HG and Pastoral, Balkaners would just have a little more Neolithic farmer thrown in like they do today. There was always mixing between all of the cultures we are talking about except for some short periods in the bigger scheme of things. Slavic by your definition sure, I could agree with that. But as for an invasion or anything who really knows, without evidence it's all theory and conjecture. That's why I defaulted to the actual origin which is true, I2a-Din, regardless of the reason for it's concentration today; is Paleo-Balkan. Maybe I am taking things to literally.