Proto-Bulgars were an Irano-Caucasian people(?)

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11-22-2020, 05:26 PM
Jana

Distance: 1.9752% / 0.01975233
Target: Stears_scaled

62.9 Slavs
24.6 Germans
10.8 Proto-Bulgars
1.7 Magyars
11-22-2020, 05:27 PM
War Chef

Quote:

Originally Posted by andre

Code:

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Target: Bulgarian
Distance: 1.6088% / 0.01608786
56.2 Slavs
36.6 Romans
7.0 Proto-Bulgars
0.2 Magyars

Target: Gagauz
Distance: 1.8856% / 0.01885616
43.8 Slavs
41.8 Romans
14.4 Proto-Bulgars

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 1.4064% / 0.01406384
68.6 Slavs
30.0 Germans
1.0 Romans
0.4 Magyars

Target: Serbian
Distance: 1.8214% / 0.01821384
68.2 Slavs
31.8 Romans

And me 1/4 Csango magyar:

Target: Andre_scaled
Distance: 3.1148% / 0.03114771
45.8 Romans
45.8 Slavs
5.4 Germans
3.0 Magyars

Interestingly Gagauz have a high % of the "Caucasian" G2a haplogroup.

https://i.imgur.com/gxEYXja.png

Also like other north-east Bulgarians, they have a bit more "west-Asian" than the rest of Bulgaria.
11-22-2020, 05:28 PM
bained

Don't worry, he is under a lot of fire from Bulgarian historians also. Basically everybody is butthurt over this DNA study, because it doesn't fit anybody's narrative. It's wonderful.
11-22-2020, 05:39 PM
bained

*double*
11-22-2020, 05:50 PM
Abriekman

Quote:

Originally Posted by War Chef

Interestingly Gagauz have a high % of the "Caucasian" G2a haplogroup.

https://i.imgur.com/gxEYXja.png

Also like other north-east Bulgarians, they have a bit more "west-Asian" than the rest of Bulgaria.

What is the reason of increased west asian admix in north-east Bulgaria?
11-22-2020, 06:08 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by bained

He even says that the slavs on the balkans are from scythian hungary, which were absorbed by slavs before migrating.( wow, just wow).

it took me less than a minute to disprove this :icon_lol:

https://i.imgur.com/tKGfXPg.png

i guess "the guy" doesn't know all that much about genetics.
11-22-2020, 06:16 PM
War Chef

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abriekman

What is the reason of increased west asian admix in north-east Bulgaria?

My guess is a combination of more Byzantine + Bulgar genes.
But I think Deliorman Turks have more Bulgar genetics than anyone in Bulgaria.
Bulgarians are very low in east-Asian+Siberian % and it's a classic marker of Turkic people.
11-22-2020, 06:21 PM
Abriekman

Quote:

Originally Posted by War Chef

My guess is a combination of more Byzantine + Bulgar genes.
But I think Deliorman Turks have more Bulgar genetics than anyone in Bulgaria.
Bulgarians are very low in east-Asian+Siberian % and it's a classic marker of Turkic people.

I think Bulgars were more Alanic, than Turkic, that is why East Asian is low. They came somewhere from Mongolia, than mixed with Eastern Iranic tribes, than mixed with Alanic and then to Europe mixed with Thracians and Slavs
11-22-2020, 06:23 PM
Jana

West Asian in southern Europe has little to do with steppe, it came from post-BA Anatolia and it peaks in Greece and med Islands/south Italy.
11-22-2020, 06:23 PM
Dick

Quote:

Originally Posted by andre

Code:

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Target: Bulgarian
Distance: 1.6088% / 0.01608786
56.2 Slavs
36.6 Romans
7.0 Proto-Bulgars
0.2 Magyars

Target: Gagauz
Distance: 1.8856% / 0.01885616
43.8 Slavs
41.8 Romans
14.4 Proto-Bulgars

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 1.4064% / 0.01406384
68.6 Slavs
30.0 Germans
1.0 Romans
0.4 Magyars

Target: Serbian
Distance: 1.8214% / 0.01821384
68.2 Slavs
31.8 Romans

And me 1/4 Csango magyar:

Target: Andre_scaled
Distance: 3.1148% / 0.03114771
45.8 Romans
45.8 Slavs
5.4 Germans
3.0 Magyars

Are you sure those Scythians were pure Slavs? Seems way too much

Distance: 2.2874% / 0.02287354
Target: Dick_dad_scaled
88.5 Slavs
5.4 Germans
4.7 Proto-Bulgars
1.4 Romans

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