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My friend, you really need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills. I said I’m half Sardinian, my mother’s family is from Rome and my father is from Assemini.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shardana
And why on earth would I be considered "Middle Eastern mixed"? Lol, because of 3.6% Levant_PPNB? Please.
There are only three possible reasons for your message:
1) you are retarded
2) you are a troll
3) You have no idea what you're talking about
I'm hoping it's number 2. Ajò!
mate, in Assemini they are already barely Sardinian and yes you are obviously very middle eastern shifted which all southern italians are, Terroni can be modeled as roughly half Levantine half Italic if you dont believe me just try running some models yourself.. judging from your results you have about 20% MENA admixture which is unheard of in Sardinians, Tepecik ciftlik is east mediterranean and doesnt show up in sardinians who are purely Barcin + WHG + low percentages of Yamnaya and North African. i am not a troll i am just saying the truth southern italians are half european at mostQuote:
Originally Posted by Dr.Fiskero
take a look at this simple model if you dont believe me and look at the distance.
Target: Italian_Campania
Distance: 0.3217% / 0.00321750
39.8 Greek
20.6 Imperial_Roman_Anatolia_Caucasus
18.8 Germanic
12.6 Imperial_Roman_Levant
6.0 Italic
2.0 Berber
0.2 Arab_Islamic_Expansion
Target: Sardinian
Distance: 0.9747% / 0.00974685
68.4 Sardinian_Nuragic
17.2 Italic
11.6 Imperial_Roman_Anatolia_Caucasus
2.8 Berber
the slight Caucasian/East med shift in modern Sardinians was surprise surprise brought by the Imperial Roman colonizers who are the ancestors to your terrone side..it wasnt present before roman conquest
Target: Italian_Campania
Distance: 1.4704% / 0.01470352
48.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
24.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.2 TUR_Barcin_N
5.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
4.8 Levant_PPNB
0.8 MAR_Taforalt
0.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.2 WHG
Target: Sardinian
Distance: 3.4393% / 0.03439282
81.6 TUR_Barcin_N
13.2 WHG
4.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.4 MAR_Taforalt
I think you are the winner. Gixajo the contest organizer is absent to give you the 1st place trophy :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Shardana
Ramses III probably twitched a bit in his display case.
Amico mio,you kinda sound like a Sardinian supremacist, lol ... I kinda like it. Anyway, sadly, you fell right into my first guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shardana
First of all, "terroni" is a term coined by the very people who nearly wiped out the Sardinian language, and it was never used to refer to central Italians. In fact, Sardinians themselves were lumped into that category. Also, Genetically, Southern Italians closely resemble ancient Greeks, aside from an estimated 10% Middle Eastern admixture (levantine)
oh no 'mate' look at those middle eastern myceneans ... maybe Achilles was a Sheikh afterall...
Attachment 142469
Back to my own results… You do know that the coasts of Sardinia were under Punic rule, right? Okay, maybe I’m not as "pure" as you are ... I’m guessing you’re Barbaricino or something? That’s cool, I respect that, but in which world that makes me not half sardinian? you are not fully nuragic either since you have like 5% steppe if we want to be 'pignoli'.
One last thing ... G25 is a recreational tool. It’s not used by scientists or anthropologists in any official capacity(contrary to qpadm). In fact, components like Levant vs. Barcin/Tepecik or Iran_N vs. CHG can easily get mixed up. Even the testing companies (like MyHeritage, Ancestry, etc.) can give you slightly different results, depending on their models and databases. So yeah...don’t bet your life on those numbers, okay?
A si biri!!
Im not a supremacist of anythig it is just you who has a hard time admitting southern Italians are heavily middle eastern mixed and that this is unheard of in any sardinians, at most some Sardinian males carry J2 and j1 haplogroups in minority to the dominant I2a, G2a and R1B, but in autosomal DNA it is a much different case, what does it matter if i have a little bit of steppe which was probably brought by pre Imperial Italic colonizers..which are anyways ironically closer to modern Sardinians because they dont lack on WHG and they dont have the heavy MENA component of modern Italians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr.Fiskero
Distance to: Shardana_G25_Scaled
0.06531517 Italy_Lazio_IA_Latin/Rutulian_Ardea_(Italic_Profile)_(n=1)
Distance to: Italian_Apulia
0.08041991 Italy_Lazio_IA_Latin/Rutulian_Ardea_(Italic_Profile)_(n=1)
Distance to: Italian_Campania
0.08567181 Italy_Lazio_IA_Latin/Rutulian_Ardea_(Italic_Profile)_(n=1)
first of all , you ignored the model i sent you where South italians show up as roughly 40% Greek and the rest MENA, the "Ancient Greek" samples you sent are fitst Minoans which were basically pure Neolithic farmers and cant be taken as a true base for most southern Italians because of the Mycenean invasion and even the Myceneans were MENA admixed mostly with Anatolian/Caucasian elements, and its bullshit southern italians are mainy ancient greek as the imperial roman period drastically changed the Italian peninsulas genetics.
even Greeks from Italy are only roughly half ancient Greek and show heavy imperial roman west asian admix
Target: Greek_Italy_Calabria
Distance: 1.8725% / 0.01872539
46.2 Greek
30.4 Imperial_Roman_Anatolia_Caucasus
14.6 Germanic
7.4 Berber
1.4 Arab_Islamic_Expansion
Target: Greek_Apulia
Distance: 0.7348% / 0.00734763
50.8 Greek
24.8 Imperial_Roman_Anatolia_Caucasus
22.6 Germanic
1.8 Berber
second, if we are technical the derogatory term for Sardinians is Sardignolo not Terrone, only Terroni with an inferiority complex want to lump in Sardinians with their third world shithole like modern Rome is, it is a fact Rome is like terronia and is pretty much a shithole nowadays, and i dont care what Padanians say either..also its clear your levantine side is from your South Italian side idk why you have a hard time accepting this, i have seen some samples from southern sardinia and at most they have more North African and Steppe...not LNF or CHG,
the Punic samples we have actually have a pretty European genetic profile anyways.
Target: Tunisia_Punic.SG
Distance: 1.9424% / 0.01942446
36.0 TUR_Barcin_N
35.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
19.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.0 WHG
3.8 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 Han
even in major testing companies like Myheritage, 23andme etc Southern Italians get up to 30% MENA so i dont understand what is hard to understand here.
lastly, yes i am 2/4 from Ogliastra, 1/4 Barbagia and 1/4 Logudoro and these areas are the heart of Sardinia, so yes they are more Sardinian than areas like Assemini:thumb001:
At nos bident!!
Distance to: Kenshiro_ScaledQuote:
Originally Posted by Shardana
0.03759019 South_Balkans:GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02
0.04353924 Picentini:ITA_Proto-Villanovan:RMPR1
Distance to: Sardinian
0.10268228 Picentini:ITA_Proto-Villanovan:RMPR1
"Near to pre-imperial Italic colonizer"
I'm Literally from Gargano promontory, North East Apulia
Distance to: Sardinian:
0.09216024 Picenes
Distance to: Kenshiro_Scaled
0.05340782 Picenes
Target: Kruzek_scaled
Distance: 4.9745% / 0.04974498
46.2 Steppe:Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya_(n=29)
39.0 European_Early_Farmers:Germany_EN_LBK_Halberstadt_ (n=21)
9.2 Western_HG:Luxembourg_Mesolithic_Loschbour_(n=1)
5.6 Eastern_HG:Russia_Karelia_Mesolithic_(EHG)_(n=15)
:D
what does this have to do with anything i said? the Picene samples we have are much more rich in Yamnaya and eastern shifted than Italic Latin samples, probably in the pre imperial adriatic there was more steppe rich ptofiles as opposed to more WHG heavy ones in the tyrhenian sea, judging from your results you seem to be an outlier for southern Italy as you have a steppe rich profile above the south Italian average but still even you have a Caucasian/Anatolian shift and an east med base and the distance to the samples you showed is still very distant, if you want to stay truthful show your distance to some imperial roman era samplesQuote:
Originally Posted by Kenshiro
Distance to: Italy_Marche_IA_Picene_Novilara_(n=28)
0.01357350 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.01651123 Italian_Veneto
0.01791531 Italian_Bergamo
0.02162788 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02321942 Italian_Northeast
Distance to: Italy_IsolaSacra_RomanImperial.SG
0.03128867 Italian_Jew
0.03413885 Italian_Calabria
0.03834857 Italian_Campania
0.04215727 Italian_Basilicata
0.04441446 Italian_Apulia
Among the forum members, you indisputably.(for now).Quote:
Originally Posted by Shardana
No need to insult Fiskero, by the way.
Target: me_scaled
Distance: 2.4254% / 0.02425434
63.2 European_Early_Farmers
30.0 Steppe
3.0 Caucasus_HG
2.0 Levant_Neolithic
1.6 Western_HG
0.2 Iberomaurissian