Orangepulp's DNA tribes results.

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Originally Posted by Transhumanist

Never mind.

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Sorry I misread and edited my post before you saw it.

Like I said Iraq was conquerd by Muslims before Turks were Muslims, that is my point.


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Regarding the Turks:

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Before adopting Islam—a process that was greatly facilitated by the Abbasid victory at the 751 Battle of Talas, which ensured Abbasid influence in Central Asia—the Turkic peoples practiced a variety of shamanism. After this battle, many of the various Turkic tribes—including the Oghuz Turks, who were the ancestors of both the Seljuks and the Ottomans—gradually converted to Islam, and brought the religion with them to Anatolia beginning in the 11th century

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Originally Posted by orangepulp

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It seems Anatolia was Christian for longer than Spain was even ... and some of the very first Christian communities were in Asia Minor.

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Thats right, the Turks introduced Islam to Asia Minor and defeted the great Byzantine Empire, unlike in Spain where Islam was introduced by the Arabs. I guess Arabs werent strong enough to conquer Asia Minor.

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Originally Posted by orangepulp

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Thats right, the Turks introduced Islam to Asia Minor and defeted the great Byzantine Empire, unlike in Spain where Islam was introduced by the Arabs. I guess Arabs werent strong enough to conquer Asia Minor.

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Yes, and part of the reason was that Constantinople was ravaged by Justinian's Plague ... that is an army he could not fight against. The Turks came at just the right time.

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Originally Posted by Loki

Yes, and part of the reason was that Constantinople was ravaged by Justinian's Plague ... that is an army he could not fight against. The Turks came at just the right time.

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The story of Anatolia Post-Islam is filled with incursions, from Arabs, but mostly by various mixed bands of Ghazi warriors raging holy war on the Byzantine empire.
In most of these incursions the invaders could ravage freely around Anatolia, taking booty and slaves from farmers ect at will, without the Byzantine army being able to do much since they usually were confined to their fortified strongholds, the earliest Arabs even went as far as Constantinople, but unlike Mehmet they could not breach the wall, Mehmet was only able to do it because he used gunpowder..

The Seljuks and Byzantine clash at Mazinkert was the deciding battle that opened up Anatolia to Islam, the irony is that both sides was filled with Turkic speaking peoples, mostly in form of mercenaries..

Arabs conquered Spain so quickly, i guess around early 8th century and they ruled there for about 700 years. They tried to penetrate into the Anatolia too but eastern Romans made a smart political move and allied with Turkic Khazars who were also against the Arabs at that time.

The cooperation between Khazars and Byzantines was the event which blocked islamic incursion to Anatolia. Khazars constantly fought against Arab armies for about 150 years and they kept them away from Anatolia. This was when the Arabs started to call Turks as gog&magog and they wrote fake hadits about that.

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Originally Posted by Onur

This was when the Arabs started to call Turks as gog&magog and they wrote fake hadits about that.

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These are not fake hadiths made up by Arabs. Gog and Magog being from the Turks is not only prohesized by Islam but also other monotheistic religions where they believe Gog and Magog to be form the descendants of Japeth, Noah's son ( The Asian race ). Besides the Turks mentioned are obviously not the Anatolian Turks.
Anyway, Like I said before in another thread, you should not take these hadiths, criticism, etc.. as an ethnic attack because there are also many authentic hadiths where the Prophets Muhammad and even the Quran criticizes the Arabs, his own people. See this verse in the Quran:


''The Arabs are the worst in Unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which God hath sent down to His Messenger''

[9:97]

There are hadiths that prophesize Arabs going against Muslims near the end of time.
The prophets fought most with the Arabs than any other race.

Islam is not an ethnic based religion.

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Originally Posted by orangepulp

Islam is not an ethnic based religion.

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Neither is Christianity - only some small sects.