Eurogenes K13

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Originally Posted by Karl

There has never been any Romas here, well not at least in big amounts. Even today, Estonia is like the least Roma-infested country in Europe, I have never seen Romas from Estonia in my entire lifetime, they either come from Finland with the ferry or from Lithuania with cars. There are about ~1000 living in the entire country.

It's practically impossible for any Estonian to have Roma ancestry, let alone me, considering my background.

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You think there have been many Roma where my grandmother is from :P its about as rural as you can get with no big city for miles...Roma have mixed in with surrounding populations ever since they started migrating from India around 1100's...Remember they have been in Europe for around 1000 years now, thats a long time.. and today i dont think you will find a single Roma that is not mixed with Europeans to some degree. A good example is my Hungarian/German cousin whos grandmother was a Roma, looking at my cousins DNA via K13 she is only South Asian - 2.30%.

But of course i am not saying all those with South Asian % have Roma ancestry, i am just saying its a possibility that you should investigate if it becomes a reoccurring theme in these admixture tests and if you differ from your country peers on the particular component..

If you have any Indian Rf cousins, more Romanians, Hungarians ect then your country peers i would check them out..most of my grandmothers matches from this region have likely Roma ancestry judging by their Ancestry Composition results, so i guess its our commonality as Roma are very inbred...


PS: I made the reference sample maps for K13 among others, iknow i got some of the name locations a bit off and maybe a spelling error here and there.. sorry guys...

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Originally Posted by Karl

I did some Eurogenes "hunter-gatherer" vs "neolithic" test. I barely had anything neolithic in me.

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I still stay it's echos of the neolithic. I don't have any south Asian or Roma ancestry that I've ever come across in my fairly extensive familial research and yet the K13 has me at 1.07%.

And, the way the Eurogenes works, if I am correct, is that it is telling me that certain genes, making up a specific 1.07% of my genome has its global peak in southern Asia, not that these genes of mine (or yours, for that matter) actually came from there.

Also, nothing of the sort shows up for me at 23&Me. 100% Euro.

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Originally Posted by Allenson

I still stay it's echos of the neolithic. I don't have any south Asian or Roma ancestry that I've ever come across in my fairly extensive familial research and yet the K13 has me at 1.07%.

And, the way the Eurogenes works, if I am correct, is that it is telling me that certain genes, making up a specific 1.07% of my genome has its global peak in southern Asia, not that these genes of mine (or yours, for that matter) actually came from there.

Also, nothing of the sort shows up for me at 23&Me. 100% Euro.

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That is a very good point, one Polako often seems to make himself.

This might be something the other way round - Some of your ancestors contributed to their gene pool in the distant past, and so you get that small percent not because you have some ancestors from their, but because they have some ancestors from where you are. I don't know exactly how you would tell which way it is going, though.

One thing i found interesting recently that he said on another forum is that the Balto-Slavic genetic cluster(s?) effectively mask some of the differences within western Europeans, apparently - I'll try and find it (can't remember where i saw it).

I'm sorry Karl, but you can't be as European as I.:icon_cool: Yeahhh

Following the trend ;D

Southern Europeans, please post your Gedmatch and spreadsheet (if you have it) K=13 results.

My Gedmatch results (Portuguese):

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9886/eurok13.png

Mediterranean 39.44%
North European 39.31%
Southwest Asian 5.49%
Caucasus 5.43%
West Central Asian 5.06%
Northeast African 2.52%
South Asian 1.25%
Amerindian 0.70%
West African 0.58%
Pygmy 0.17%
North Eurasian 0%
East Siberian 0%
East Asian 0%

And my (PT9) results from the original Eurogenes k=13 Spreadsheet:

North Atlantic 0.43905 = 43.91%
Mediterranean 0.409843 = 40.98%
Southwest Asian 0.086486 = 8.65%
Caucasus 0.021359 = 2.14%
East African 0.016318 = 1.63%
South Asian 0.01465 = 1.47%
Sub-Saharan 0.007592 = 0.76%
Southeast Asian 0.004518 = 0.45%
North Asian 0.000145 = 0%
East Asian 0.00001 = 0%
East Central Asian 0.00001 = 0%
West Central Asian 0.00001 = 0%
Baltic 0.00001 = 0%

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I screwed up and put this in the west asian thread already but anyway...

http://imageshack.us/a/img600/8665/k131.png

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Originally Posted by Vesuvian Sky

I screwed up and put this in the west asian thread already but anyway...

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I did too.

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Originally Posted by Graham

Med
39.44% Plastictuga
37.92% Alex Delarge
35.47% Vesuvian Sky

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I think this answers the question who's the Meddiest.:cool:

(well at least so far anyway per a EG-K13 perspective...)

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Originally Posted by annihilus

annihilus
Asia: 52.83%
Europe: 46.24%
Africa: 0.85%
America: 0.08%

annihilus mom
Asia: 69.02%
Europe: 29.53%
Africa: 1.46%
America: -

Su
Asia: 62.18%
Europe: 35.04%
Africa: 1.97%
America: 0.81%

mark
Asia: 42.16%
Europe: 55.31%
Africa: 2.53%
America: -

Bastarnae
Asia: 44.43%
Europe: 55.22%
Africa: 0.35%
America: -

orangepulp
Asia: 69.82%
Europe: 29.15%
Africa: 0.98%
America: -

orangepulp aunt
Asia: 72.88%
Europe: 25.98%
Africa: 0.48%
America: 0.65%

Casual Observer
Asia: 70.36%
Europe: 28.45%
Africa: 1.19%
America: -

FairyPrincess
Asia: 39.40%
Europe: 57.30%
Africa: 3.13%
America: 0.16%

Vesuvian Sky
Asia: 33.08%
Europe: 65.31%
Africa: .95%
America: 0.63%

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Interesting, what run is this from?