German GEDmatch results

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Volga German mother

North_Atlantic 44.96 Pct
Baltic 24.35 Pct
West_Med 14.09 Pct
West_Asian 4.91 Pct
East_Med 9.38 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.31 Pct
Oceanian 0.32 Pct
Northeast_African 0.25 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.41 Pct

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 3.39
2 South_Dutch 3.89
3 Southeast_English 6.29
4 North_German 6.99
5 Danish 7.96
6 North_Dutch 8.03
7 Orcadian 8.31
8 French 8.66
9 Southwest_English 8.82
10 Austrian 8.9
11 Irish 9.57
12 West_Scottish 9.98
13 Norwegian 10.08
14 East_German 10.17
15 Swedish 10.66
16 Hungarian 13.06
17 North_Swedish 14.58
18 Spanish_Cataluna 16
19 Portuguese 17.28
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.3

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.7% Southeast_English + 20.3% Bulgarian @ 2.2
2 74.5% Southeast_English + 25.5% Serbian @ 2.23
3 77.6% Southeast_English + 22.4% Romanian @ 2.26
4 72.7% Norwegian + 27.3% Tuscan @ 2.68
5 68.5% Norwegian + 31.5% North_Italian @ 2.79
6 83.7% West_German + 16.3% Norwegian @ 2.82
7 75.3% West_German + 24.7% Southeast_English @ 2.84
8 83.6% Southeast_English + 16.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.87
9 85.1% West_German + 14.9% Swedish @ 2.87
10 80.5% West_German + 19.5% Danish @ 2.87
11 80.8% West_German + 19.2% North_Dutch @ 2.89
12 89.6% West_German + 10.4% North_Swedish @ 2.95
13 83% West_German + 17% Orcadian @ 2.99
14 77.8% Danish + 22.2% Tuscan @ 3.01
15 74.1% Danish + 25.9% North_Italian @ 3.02
16 80.3% West_German + 19.7% North_German @ 3.02
17 69.7% Southeast_English + 30.3% Hungarian @ 3.03
18 76.9% Norwegian + 23.1% West_Sicilian @ 3.04
19 77.7% North_Dutch + 22.3% Tuscan @ 3.08
20 93.6% West_German + 6.4% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.08

Russian father

North_Atlantic 25.05 Pct
Baltic 47.92 Pct
West_Med 10.39 Pct
West_Asian 6.42 Pct
East_Med 3.24 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.15 Pct
East_Asian 0.68 Pct
Siberian 3.38 Pct
Amerindian 0.73 Pct
Oceanian 1.03 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_Russian 3.79
2 Russian_Smolensk 4.54
3 Ukrainian_Belgorod 4.62
4 Estonian_Polish 4.64
5 Kargopol_Russian 5.05
6 Ukrainian 5.67
7 Belorussian 6.07
8 Polish 6.36
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 6.76
10 Erzya 7.02
11 Lithuanian 7.94
12 South_Polish 8.1
13 Estonian 9.01
14 East_Finnish 10.38
15 Finnish 10.98
16 Croatian 13.02
17 Southwest_Finnish 13.53
18 Moldavian 15.24
19 Hungarian 17.22
20 East_German 18.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.1% Ukrainian + 43.9% Erzya @ 2.19
2 52.9% Polish + 47.1% Erzya @ 2.49
3 53.9% Kargopol_Russian + 46.1% Ukrainian @ 2.66
4 62.4% Southwest_Russian + 37.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.83
5 54.1% Erzya + 45.9% South_Polish @ 2.83
6 51.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 48.8% Erzya @ 2.83
7 53.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.5% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.94
8 59.9% Kargopol_Russian + 40.1% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.02
9 54.4% Russian_Smolensk + 45.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.04
10 65.3% Russian_Smolensk + 34.7% Erzya @ 3.05
11 86.6% Russian_Smolensk + 13.4% Chuvash @ 3.13
12 95.3% Russian_Smolensk + 4.7% Selkup @ 3.18
13 89.6% Russian_Smolensk + 10.4% Mari @ 3.2
14 95.3% Russian_Smolensk + 4.7% Ket @ 3.2
15 76.2% Southwest_Russian + 23.8% Erzya @ 3.25
16 58.6% Kargopol_Russian + 41.4% Polish @ 3.25
17 85.2% Estonian_Polish + 14.8% Tatar @ 3.26
18 94.8% Russian_Smolensk + 5.2% Hakas @ 3.27
19 65.6% Estonian_Polish + 34.4% Erzya @ 3.31
20 94.6% Russian_Smolensk + 5.4% Shors @ 3.31

Distance to: Maria
3.39604181 German_North_Hesse
3.74347432 Flemish
3.80314344 Belgian
4.59843452 Dutch_South
4.64511571 German_North_Rhine
4.75624852 German_Upper_Swabia
4.80092699 German_Lower_Franconia
4.82224014 Afrikaner
4.89411892 French_Normandy
5.00554692 German
5.66220805 German_Rhineland-Palatinate
5.67170168 German_South_Hesse
5.70919434 French_Northeast
5.83246946 Pennsylvania_Dutch
5.87809493 German_Bavaria_proper
5.92177338 French_Alsace
5.93584029 German_North_Baden
6.57505894 English_Southeast
6.66271716 Austrian_Upper_Austria
6.79769814 German_Central_Hesse

Target: Maria
Distance: 1.7937% / 1.79372394 | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.8 German_North_Hesse
21.2 German_Upper_Swabia
20.0 Danish
3.0 German_Saxony-Anhalt_south

Target: Maria
Distance: 2.0204% / 2.02036600 | R2P
80.7 German_North_Hesse
19.3 Norwegian

Quote:

Originally Posted by Watersater79

Sure. Don't wanna be really pedantic though, but Hungary does not have much Indo-European influence, and they score quite highly with 'Baltic' admixture, if I am not mistaken.
Finns score ultra high with Baltic admix as well....
I am only taking into account the Finno-Ugric language family, and I do know that language and its development sometimes corresponds differently to the genotype of the population in question.

The Finno-Ugric component is minimal in Hungarian. I'm Russian/Belorussian (Indo-European) and it's far higher in me than in nearly every Hungarian out there. But Finno-Ugric is a largely linguistic term as they do not even plot close to each other. For example the Finns in Finland are not very similar to the ethnic groups around the Ural mountains, Russia.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Watersater79

I see that 'Baltic' admix is extremely high amongst North Germans.

It is high among North-Eastern Germans, not so much among North-Western.

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Hungarians have lots of Indo-European DNA, they just speak an Uralic language.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Watersater79

Sure. Don't wanna be really pedantic though, but Hungary does not have much Indo-European influence, and they score quite highly with 'Baltic' admixture, if I am not mistaken.
Finns score ultra high with Baltic admix as well....
I am only taking into account the Finno-Ugric language family, and I do know that language and its development sometimes corresponds differently to the genotype of the population in question.

Ugh, OK, Steppe influence.

The next time somebody in the genetics sub-forum says Hungary is largely Slavic, I will inform them that they are wrong. They are in fact Finno-Ugric :coffee:

Baltic component on gedmatch (as any other) is nothing scientific, just an artificaly made components peaking in Balts. It isn't Slavic, IE nor Ugro-Finnic, just northeastern European.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Baltic component on gedmatch (as any other) is nothing scientific, just an artificaly made components peaking in Balts. It isn't Slavic, IE nor Ugro-Finnic, just northeastern European.

Yes. I should have said it correlates with this ancestry, not comes from it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Watersater79

Sure. Don't wanna be really pedantic though, but Hungary does not have much Indo-European influence, and they score quite highly with 'Baltic' admixture, if I am not mistaken.
Finns score ultra high with Baltic admix as well....
I am only taking into account the Finno-Ugric language family, and I do know that language and its development sometimes corresponds differently to the genotype of the population in question.

Baltic component on Eurogenes K13 is (among other things) also related to ANE ancestry, not specifically to Indo-European or Finno-Ugric groups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_North_Eurasian

In the tables below, percentage of ANE in modern populations:

Table1

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Table2

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Closest pops

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Distance to: ANE 0.23744223 Udmurt 0.24433324 Saami 0.24698963 Besermyan 0.25200243 Tlingit 0.25686027 Saami_Kola 0.25912142 Komi 0.26255276 Russian_Leshukonsky 0.26626160 Chuvash 0.26747160 Mari 0.27358959 Russian_Pinezhsky 0.27421537 Tatar_Kazan 0.27592261 Sarikoli_China 0.27646657 Tajik_Shugnan 0.27661263 Jatt_Pathak 0.27805924 Tajik_Ishkashim 0.27867204 Ror 0.27925748 Russian_Pinega 0.27937469 Finnish_East 0.28030357 Tajik_Rushan 0.28039253 Tajik_Badakshan 0.28297822 Kho_Singanali 0.28298748 Karelian 0.28318101 Vepsian 0.28350361 Bashkir 0.28404708 Mansi 0.28543407 Finnish_North 0.28562185 Tatar_Mishar 0.28786985 Russian_Krasnoborsky 0.28860963 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye 0.28870009 Khanty 0.28912226 Kalash 0.28932578 Finnish_Central 0.29091873 Ingrian 0.29145539 Erzya 0.29209113 Tajik_Hisor 0.29290780 Tajik_Kulob 0.29300019 Finnish_Southeast 0.29370576 Russian_Kostroma 0.29464387 Greenlander_West 0.29621237 Punjabi_Jatt 0.29744096 Tatar_Lipka 0.29780271 Moksha 0.29800934 Burusho 0.29879309 Nepalese_A2 0.29882327 Uthmankhel 0.29905038 Tajik_Ayni 0.29907525 Ket 0.29917809 Tatar_Siberian 0.29967239 Finnish_Southwest 0.30013666 Punjabi_Sikh_India 0.30084114 Tarkalani 0.30124568 Yusufzai 0.30158163 Pashtun_Kurram 0.30213792 Pashtun_North_Afghanistan 0.30215736 Kohistani 0.30258183 Nepalese_A 0.30265818 Tajik_Yagnobi 0.30279962 Russian_Yaroslavl 0.30428625 Kashmiri_Pandit 0.30428679 Khatri 0.30447316 Punjabi_Hindu_India 0.30452949 Kamboj 0.30632980 Russian_Tver 0.30676553 Kashmiri_Pakistan 0.30698114 Estonian 0.30833958 Cossack_Kuban 0.30935911 Bahun 0.30962052 Gujar_Pakistan 0.30993644 Russian_Ryazan 0.31002156 Khatri_o 0.31052710 Latvian 0.31220849 Brahmin_Gujarat 0.31234544 Rajput_Rajasthan 0.31304892 Cree 0.31329490 Russian_Pskov 0.31367791 Russian_Kursk 0.31401742 Brahmin_UP 0.31443271 Lithuanian_PZ 0.31511987 Darginian 0.31525045 Kashmiri_Pakistan_o 0.31526571 Sindhi 0.31527815 Gujar_India 0.31530462 Lithuanian_SZ 0.31548962 Tatar_Crimean_steppe 0.31615273 Russian_Kaluga 0.31633455 Lithuanian_RA 0.31675823 Lithuanian_PA 0.31690876 Turkmen 0.31718196 Russian_Orel 0.31739151 Lithuanian_VZ 0.31806413 Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh 0.31816014 Uzbek 0.31842495 Cossack_Ukrainian 0.31871007 Turkmen_Uzbekistan 0.31883045 Lithuanian_VA 0.31885609 Ukrainian_Dnipro 0.31893693 Balti 0.31967605 Polish_Kashubian 0.32003843 Belarusian 0.32036359 Russian_Voronez 0.32108080 Kaitag 0.32112534 Moldovan_o 0.32164225 Avar 0.32168783 Yukagir_Forest 0.32175636 Lak 0.32207925 Brahmin_West_Bengal 0.32228115 Ukrainian_Rivne 0.32232652 Kubachinian 0.32298142 Nepalese_B 0.32311481 Punjabi_Muslim_India 0.32316801 Kshatriya 0.32318524 Russian_Smolensk 0.32391149 Ukrainian_Chernihiv 0.32444425 Norwegian 0.32491503 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr 0.32491827 Ukrainian_Sumy 0.32511871 Swedish 0.32518290 Russian_Belgorod 0.32577242 Tabasaran 0.32658574 Punjabi_Lahore 0.32666006 Polish 0.32678161 Balochi_B 0.32705366 Icelandic 0.32846912 Slovakian 0.32983922 Shetlandic 0.33009999 Brahui 0.33079373 Danish 0.33096396 Irish 0.33104339 Orcadian 0.33232091 Scottish 0.33246016 Czech 0.33256411 Balochi_A 0.33271152 Dutch 0.33290904 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia 0.33355904 Ukrainian_Lviv 0.33430514 Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu 0.33431595 Tubalar 0.33456618 Hazara_Afghanistan 0.33483572 Iyer 0.33485164 Shor_Mountain 0.33491702 German_East 0.33529707 Afrikaner 0.33590778 Sorb_Niederlausitz 0.33642868 Shor_Khakassia 0.33738516 Hungarian 0.33759713 English 0.33767933 Greenlander_East 0.33794152 Brahmin_UP_o 0.33818763 Bahun_o 0.33831443 Welsh 0.33956668 Roma_Balkans 0.34025529 German 0.34053707 English_Cornwall 0.34097136 Kanjar 0.34134736 French_Brittany 0.34154622 Makrani 0.34288232 Austrian 0.34306462 Uygur 0.34306757 Croatian 0.34324437 Nogai 0.34334458 Shor 0.34385522 Chechen 0.34392544 Slovenian 0.34413666 Gujarati 0.34482260 Cochin_Jew 0.34526995 Roma_Bilbao 0.34540811 Kumyk 0.34579106 Iranian_Bandari 0.34626973 Turkish_Rumeli 0.34629741 Turkish_Deliorman 0.34634340 Abazin 0.34643544 Roma_Porto 0.34648839 Cherkes 0.34674784 Nepalese_C 0.34680212 French_Seine-Maritime 0.34707702 Hazara 0.34738151 Kabardin 0.34745724 Moldovan 0.34784150 Roma_Granada 0.34795175 Bosnian 0.34812757 Kol 0.34823140 Circassian 0.34830783 Karachay 0.34866784 Belgian 0.34872222 Parsi_Pakistan 0.34875333 Rajput_Rajasthan_o 0.34950131 Balkar 0.34952292 Roma_Madrid 0.34953566 Roma_Barcelona 0.34953904 Ingushian 0.35040241 Turkish_Northwest 0.35047604 Parsi_India 0.35145601 French_Nord 0.35210966 French_Pas-de-Calais 0.35214287 Turkish_Balikesir 0.35245849 Maori 0.35357202 Kamboj_o 0.35375736 Dharkar 0.35386609 French_Alsace 0.35405634 Turkish_South 0.35463012 Turkish_Southwest 0.35540409 Azerbaijani_Dagestan 0.35569575 Swiss_German 0.35627136 Serbian 0.35637274 North_Ossetian 0.35682471 Montenegrin 0.35688420 French_Paris 0.35745231 Karakalpak 0.35803268 Turkish_Aydin 0.35845481 Uttar_Pradesh 0.35889194 Adygei 0.35956911 Romanian 0.36052085 Nepalese_D 0.36064551 Bengali_Bangladesh 0.36096490 Selkup 0.36096732 Turkish_North 0.36190947 Iranian_Fars 0.36205756 Konkani_Christian 0.36268314 Bulgarian 0.36270139 Iranian_Zoroastrian 0.36282944 Iranian_Persian_Shiraz 0.36323846 Velamas 0.36413004 Telugu_GBR 0.36470665 Macedonian 0.36530069 French_Occitanie 0.36538867 Dusadh 0.36556187 Ossetian 0.36580409 Gagauz 0.36602341 Vellalar 0.36665410 Khakass 0.36699194 French_Auvergne 0.36725971 Swiss_French 0.36747540 Iranian_Mazandarani 0.36847175 Georgian_Khevs 0.36882786 Sri_Lankan 0.36906561 French_Provence 0.36907417 Georgian_Tush 0.36986014 Yadava 0.36994633 Gupta 0.37009127 Turkish_Central 0.37053754 Punjabi_Christian_India 0.37083101 Azerbaijani 0.37099014 Turkish_Adana 0.37111778 Italian_Northeast 0.37119306 Chamar 0.37133881 Tamils_GBR 0.37198971 Italian_Aosta_Valley 0.37253769 Maratha 0.37292524 Azerbaijani_Turkey 0.37306262 Ezid 0.37385688 Spanish_Penedes 0.37416892 Piramalai 0.37418766 Talysh_Azerbaijan 0.37507029 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona 0.37518260 Spanish_Soria 0.37635788 Spanish_Girona 0.37694579 Iranian_Lor 0.37715034 Kurumba 0.37742379 Kazakh 0.37797059 Spanish_Mallorca 0.37801191 Rumelia_East 0.37810247 Chenchu 0.37847084 Spanish_Galicia 0.37927486 Turkish_Kayseri 0.37947382 Spanish_Lleida 0.37948274 Nenets 0.37959174 Spanish_Barcelones 0.37967949 Spanish_Catalunya_Central 0.37969192 Spanish_Alacant 0.37972885 Spanish_Cataluna 0.37986602 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige 0.37990384 Turkish_East 0.37994757 Greek_Central_Macedonia 0.37998233 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 0.38011262 Spanish_Baleares 0.38011981 Spanish_Cantabria 0.38025299 Kurdish 0.38026485 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona 0.38049104 Italian_Veneto 0.38063721 Spanish_Extremadura 0.38071106 Swiss_Italian 0.38105599 Portuguese 0.38112858 French_South 0.38158336 Greek_Macedonia 0.38160447 Spanish_Pirineu 0.38161896 Spanish_Castello 0.38183632 Spanish_Eivissa 0.38185976 Spanish_Valencia 0.38253231 Spanish_Murcia 0.38288972 Bukharian_Jew 0.38317161 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre 0.38352501 Relli 0.38356324 Albanian 0.38373063 Spanish_Navarra 0.38378404 Spanish_Andalucia 0.38386026 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 0.38426387 Greek_Thessaly 0.38430923 Spanish_Aragon 0.38444312 Udi 0.38470561 North_Kannadi 0.38479973 Italian_Liguria 0.38483139 Spanish_Asturias 0.38489191 Spanish_Menorca 0.38495045 Italian_Piedmont 0.38557805 Abkhasian 0.38574773 Spanish_Canarias 0.38614576 Spanish_Pais_Vasco 0.38646634 Basque_French 0.38735618 Italian_Bergamo 0.38785372 Italian_Lombardy 0.38792737 Basque_Spanish 0.38839805 Sakilli 0.38858010 Georgian_Svan 0.38912560 Italian_Tuscany 0.39008098 Greek_Peloponnese 0.39008522 Ashkenazi_Russia 0.39031910 Pallan 0.39110113 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr_o 0.39124975 Georgian_Kart 0.39150762 Ashkenazi_Belarussia 0.39206346 Ashkenazi_Lithuania 0.39223373 Madiga 0.39244005 Italian_Umbria 0.39300707 Ashkenazi_Ukraine 0.39320198 Hakkipikki 0.39324246 Italian_Marche 0.39457594 Greek_Izmir 0.39500619 Italian_Molise 0.39584784 Ashkenazi_Poland 0.39587957 Georgian_Kakh 0.39595871 Ahiska 0.39638385 Sephardic_Jew_o 0.39679046 Italian_Abruzzo 0.39717867 Spanish_La_Rioja 0.39838954 French_Corsica 0.39878091 Sicilian_West 0.39896477 Greek_Laconia 0.39948957 Mala 0.39969996 Italian_Lazio 0.39992026 Georgian_Megr 0.40109671 Maltese 0.40117618 Italian_Basilicata 0.40172694 Iraqi 0.40201484 Mountain_Jew_o 0.40210575 Italian_Apulia 0.40246616 Greek_Crete 0.40388285 Sicilian_East 0.40422662 Georgian_Imer 0.40425048 Georgian_Ajar 0.40443438 Mountain_Jew 0.40445560 Italian_Campania 0.40521220 Syrian 0.40523685 Georgian_Jew 0.40553195 Ashkenazi_Germany 0.40559964 Georgian_Meskheti 0.40563294 Kirghiz 0.40566337 Kirghiz_China 0.40596152 Italian_Calabria 0.40814435 Assyrian 0.40902032 Khakass_Kachins 0.40945377 Newar 0.40997768 Armenian 0.41005903 Iranian_Jew 0.41030667 Greek_Kos 0.41057341 Armenian_Erzurum 0.41079349 Armenian_Hemsheni 0.41088986 Georgian_Laz 0.41163220 Irula 0.41251672 Greek_Dodecanese 0.41347901 Italian_Jew 0.41363059 Lebanese_Muslim 0.41364800 Greek_Central_Anatolia 0.41365140 Turkish_Trabzon 0.41392623 Greek_Cappadocia 0.41473484 Moroccan_Jew 0.41490909 Greek_Trabzon 0.41577738 Syrian_Jew 0.41586539 Nepalese_E 0.41647006 Sephardic_Jew 0.41756019 Chipewyan 0.41771114 Altaian 0.41812393 Romaniote_Jew 0.41813917 Pulliyar 0.41864890 Kadar 0.41962407 Lebanese_Druze 0.41964491 Brahmin_Manipuri 0.42021707 Kurdish_Jew 0.42084990 Jordanian 0.42092184 Druze 0.42220123 Kazakh_China 0.42240309 Malayan 0.42312439 Karaite_Egypt 0.42369137 Cypriot 0.42373962 Libyan_Jew 0.42488580 Palestinian 0.42532208 Paniya 0.42561988 Gond 0.42601628 Iraqi_Jew 0.42895461 Tunisian_Jew 0.43045329 BedouinA 0.43070525 Lebanese_Christian 0.43150668 Asur 0.43371890 Amerindian_North 0.43416715 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour 0.43849924 Jarawa 0.44028353 Onge 0.44044351 Bhumij 0.44218697 Tharu 0.44258266 Santhal 0.44648768 Eskimo_Naukan 0.44699672 Samaritan 0.44717818 Egyptian 0.44734850 Korwa 0.44788686 Mogush 0.44891363 Birhor 0.45012447 Moroccan_North 0.45136834 Ho 0.45201612 Libyan 0.45217342 Tunisian 0.45246853 Eskimo 0.45282355 Yemenite_Amran 0.45311577 Eskimo_Sireniki 0.45433399 Sardinian 0.45482831 Gadaba 0.45495853 Algerian 0.45513031 Berber_Tunisia_Sen 0.45622300 Tunisian_Berber_Zraoua 0.45675691 Tunisian_Berber_Matmata 0.45683047 Eskimo_Chaplin 0.45707891 Tuvinian 0.45753835 Kusunda 0.45857195 Tunisian_Berber_Tamezret 0.45864416 Khonda_Dora 0.45990006 Berber_Tunisia_Chen 0.46190282 Bolivian_Pando 0.46259631 Yemenite_Al_Bayda 0.46302529 Tunisian_Rbaya 0.46354410 Mongolian 0.46372008 Yemenite_Dhamar 0.46390001 Mozabite 0.46445850 Moroccan 0.46458303 Tunisian_Douz 0.46581170 Kalmyk 0.46609231 Buryat 0.46658508 Bonda 0.46672801 Chukchi 0.46780524 Yemenite_Jew 0.46793458 Quechua 0.46900610 Bolivian_Cochabamba 0.47021991 Saudi 0.47027646 Juang 0.47126801 Itelmen 0.47129806 BedouinB 0.47139936 Yemenite_Ma'rib 0.47153284 Yemenite_Al_Jawf 0.47268334 Berber_MAR_ERR 0.47494685 Todzin 0.47634325 Mixtec 0.47822161 Zapotec 0.47943050 Yemenite_Mahra 0.48126539 Nahua 0.48164845 Mayan 0.48389177 Saharawi 0.48460173 Huichol 0.48599922 Dolgan 0.48615094 Koryak 0.48675317 Berber_MAR_TIZ 0.48853557 Jehai 0.48873175 Pima 0.48952990 Nepalese_F 0.49374244 Cachi 0.49828970 Magar

Fun fact: apparently ANEs or peoples related to them would have been the first to carry blond hair

Here Eurogenes K13 results of Medieval samples from Lübeck:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...89004221003874

Code:

hgh-1429.txt,50,26.85,10.49,7.16,0,1.23,2.12,0,0,0.42,0,1.73,0 hgh-1510.txt,54.59,22.79,12.43,0,1.65,0.87,4.72,2.52,0,0,0,0.43,0 hgh-1579.txt,49.28,19.21,13.31,8.18,3.00,0.97,2.85,0,1.10,1.22,0,0.87,0 hgh-1599.txt,49.75,34.99,4.53,3.84,2.05,0,0,0,0,0,3.22,1.61,0 hgh-1600.txt,48.70,26.60,11.18,8.06,0.36,1.57,0.65,0,0.34,1.34,0.69,0.50,0 hgh-1607.txt,45.79,28.27,11.88,7.03,1.83,1.46,0.28,0,0.59,1.70,0.80,0.37,0

This one has Slavic-looking results (most likely a Polabian Slav):

Code:

hgh-1558.txt,36.25,51.15,5.47,0,1.12,1.37,0,3.18,0,0.54,0,0.12,0.81

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf

Baltic component on Eurogenes K13 is (among other things) also related to ANE ancestry, not specifically to Indo-European or Finno-Ugric groups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_North_Eurasian

In the tables below, percentage of ANE in modern populations:

How come it is so abysmally low in Georgia? Even you would score like a goddamn Hyperborean compared to them! :eek: :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

How come it is so abysmally low in Georgia? Even you would score like a goddamn Hyperborean compared to them! :eek: :D

In the table it may look like they have less because I made models including CHG as a component, but that is not the case at all, in fact, CHG is related to ANE. I think distance does a better job of telling which of the two is more related to ANE.

Code:

Distance to: ANE 0.36847175 Georgian_Khevs 0.36907417 Georgian_Tush 0.38858010 Georgian_Svan 0.39124975 Georgian_Kart 0.39500619 Italian_Molise 0.39587957 Georgian_Kakh 0.39679046 Italian_Abruzzo 0.39878091 Sicilian_West 0.39992026 Georgian_Megr 0.40109671 Maltese 0.40117618 Italian_Basilicata 0.40210575 Italian_Apulia 0.40388285 Sicilian_East 0.40422662 Georgian_Imer 0.40425048 Georgian_Ajar 0.40445560 Italian_Campania 0.40596152 Italian_Calabria 0.41088986 Georgian_Laz

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Originally Posted by Watersater79

Kudos for this…. Really interesting, although how on god’s green earth does the average English genome have a higher amount of Baltic than the average German. I mean I get the higher Irish showing, because of their Steppe admix, but the English?

They don't. And Irish have less than English.

Code:

English,49.68,23.44,13.70,5.62,3.96,0.71,1.03,0.15,0.29,0.57,0.39,0.21,0.17 German,43.00,27.31,13.88,5.81,6.40,0.94,0.94,0.15,0.34,0.46,0.36,0.15,0.13 Irish,52.43,22.93,12.62,6.82,1.44,0.50,1.40,0.16,0.28,0.80,0.29,0.14,0.13

Very large (in volume) update is coming quickly even. Yes, even Austria.

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Originally Posted by Watersater79

That does seem to be different information than the info that Ajeje Brazorf just put out, unless I am seriously missing something here.
It does appear that Alpine populations score relatively low on the Baltic front.
Also, I don't suppose it is an unusual scenario that my dad has almost twice as high of the 'eastern Europe' segment as he does 'Baltic' on his K15

Creoda is actually right. Germans (excluding those in the south and west) have more "Baltic". I mentioned ANE earlier, but keep in mind that the "Baltic" component of Eurogenes K13 is an artificial construct, not a reality. It will probably be 30% EEF (component spread from Anatolia to Europe in several waves starting from 8000 years ago), 30% WHG (component spread from time immemorial in Europe among pre-agricultural hunter-gatherers), and finally 30% ANE and 10% CHG (components spread by peoples speaking Indo-European languages starting from 5000 years ago, although the former was already present in Eastern Europe mixed with WHG even among hunter-gatherers).

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Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf

Creoda is actually right. Germans (excluding those in the south and west) have more "Baltic". I mentioned ANE earlier, but keep in mind that the "Baltic" component of Eurogenes K13 is an artificial construct, not a reality. It will probably be 30% EEF (component spread from Anatolia to Europe in several waves starting from 8000 years ago), 30% WHG (component spread from time immemorial in Europe among pre-agricultural hunter-gatherers), and finally 30% ANE and 10% CHG (components spread by peoples speaking Indo-European languages starting from 5000 years ago, although the former was already present in Eastern Europe mixed with WHG even among hunter-gatherers).

Can you explain that conjecture?

Gedmatch is increasingly falling out of use, probably not much use posting GM results anymore.

Volga German (his wife is Russian but their daughter re-Germanized the lineage by marrying an actual German from Germany)

North_Atlantic 42.54 Pct
Baltic 24.33 Pct
West_Med 14.31 Pct
West_Asian 7.62 Pct
East_Med 7.96 Pct
Red_Sea 1.95 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.17 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.12 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 2.77
2 South_Dutch 3.44
3 Austrian 6.88
4 North_German 7.14
5 Southeast_English 8.28
6 French 8.41
7 East_German 8.71
8 North_Dutch 9.01
9 Danish 9.04
10 Orcadian 9.57
11 Southwest_English 10.02
12 Irish 10.54
13 Norwegian 11
14 West_Scottish 11.14
15 Swedish 11.14
16 Hungarian 11.31
17 North_Swedish 14.5
18 Serbian 15.31
19 Spanish_Cataluna 16.22
20 Croatian 17.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.5% West_Scottish + 37.5% Romanian @ 1.58
2 58% West_Scottish + 42% Serbian @ 1.59
3 66.1% Orcadian + 33.9% Romanian @ 1.69
4 66% West_Scottish + 34% Bulgarian @ 1.7
5 69.4% Orcadian + 30.6% Bulgarian @ 1.75
6 79.3% South_Dutch + 20.7% Hungarian @ 1.83
7 63.9% Irish + 36.1% Romanian @ 1.85
8 69.7% South_Dutch + 30.3% Austrian @ 1.88
9 60.7% Southwest_English + 39.3% Serbian @ 1.88
10 75.4% North_Dutch + 24.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.9
11 90% South_Dutch + 10% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.92
12 67.3% Irish + 32.7% Bulgarian @ 1.94
13 59.5% Irish + 40.5% Serbian @ 1.97
14 69.4% Swedish + 30.6% Tuscan @ 1.98
15 90.1% South_Dutch + 9.9% Southwest_Russian @ 2
16 75.2% Norwegian + 24.8% Central_Greek @ 2.02
17 61.9% Orcadian + 38.1% Serbian @ 2.03
18 77.8% West_German + 22.2% Austrian @ 2.03
19 74.8% North_German + 25.2% North_Italian @ 2.04
20 93.9% West_German + 6.1% East_Finnish @ 2.05

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Originally Posted by Roy

Can you explain that conjecture?

Baltic component peaks in samples like these

https://i.imgur.com/zRMi9mw.png

So it is essentially a Baltic Bronze Age or a vague EHG component (composed in various shades of WHG+ANE).

https://i.imgur.com/mc6nqqV.png

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Originally Posted by Leto

Gedmatch is increasingly falling out of use, probably not much use posting GM results anymore.

If only Global25 was free and easily accessible like GEDmatch....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf

If only Global25 was free and easily accessible like GEDmatch....

Until G25 is free and easy to use, it won't fully replace Gedmatch. But IMO creating 3-5 new calculators for the Gedmatch website would suffice. Sadly, they seem to have abandoned that section entirely.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf

Creoda is actually right. Germans (excluding those in the south and west) have more "Baltic". I mentioned ANE earlier, but keep in mind that the "Baltic" component of Eurogenes K13 is an artificial construct, not a reality. It will probably be 30% EEF (component spread from Anatolia to Europe in several waves starting from 8000 years ago), 30% WHG (component spread from time immemorial in Europe among pre-agricultural hunter-gatherers), and finally 30% ANE and 10% CHG (components spread by peoples speaking Indo-European languages starting from 5000 years ago, although the former was already present in Eastern Europe mixed with WHG even among hunter-gatherers).

So kind of 70% EHG and 30% EEF.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Until G25

G25 cost too much and their modern references are terrible. I don't see it replacing gedmatch anytime soon.

What I learned while collecting various verified samples? Don't trust academic samples, they are often random people from some city with mixed ancestry (either ethic or if not, than regional).

"German East" everyone used for years is a great example (and we use it still, just renamed it to German_Saxony). Now when we got decent number of fully verified kits from Saxony, I can see that average wasn't good and probably included people with ancestry not only from Saxony, but other places. Nobody seems to check 4/4 grandparents in academic papers it seems, their reliability is really low.

New Saxony average we will publish soon to replace academic one (won't mix them but totally drop Leipzig academic kits) is pretty different and quite less eastern.

It's even close to "central German" genetic profile in a way, something many argued doesn't exist. All academic averages on Vahado need to be replaced with better ones, they are simply not reliable.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf

Baltic component peaks in samples like these

https://i.imgur.com/zRMi9mw.png

So it is essentially a Baltic Bronze Age or a vague EHG component (composed in various shades of WHG+ANE).

https://i.imgur.com/mc6nqqV.png

If only Global25 was free and easily accessible like GEDmatch....

K13 can model Nordic-like, Balto-Slavic-like and Italian-like groups properly, and coincidentaly most of Eastern/Central Europe and the Balkans are a mix of exactly such groups, so it's a useful calculator for us.
When used for this area, the Baltic components really signifies Balto-slavic influence.

For most other things it fails, and the components act as bad proxies. I don't mean ancient samples only.

For example, it shows the Finnish as Nordic+ Balto-Slavic, but they actually have addtional WHG and EHG from Sami-like admixture, which in k13 goes into NA and Baltic and probably messes up the ratio.

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Originally Posted by rothaer

So essentially 70% EHG and 30% EEF.

the Baltic component is based on modern Latvians or Lithuanians, however because of the "calculator effect", Latvians and Lithuanians themselves get only 50-60% Baltic.
Same goes for the British and the North Atlantic component.

So they are basically nothing, and it's better to treat them as coordinates (like those in G25) than actual components.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

(…)
So they are basically nothing, and it's better to treat them as coordinates (like those in G25) than actual components.

I agree with exclamation mark. This is applicable to a number of GEDmatch calculators. How much unnecessary texting could have been avoided if f. i. the “Iberian” component of K36 just would have been called „component 7“ (figuratively)?!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

G25 cost too much and their modern references are terrible. I don't see it replacing gedmatch anytime soon.

k13 results can be converted to G25 with Genoplot.
somebody on anthrogenica converted the Macedonian Greek average like this, and it was almost identical to the one already in G25.
so it's realiable, at least in some cases.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

(…)

For example, it shows the Finnish as Nordic+ Balto-Slavic, but they actually have addtional WHG and EHG from Sami-like admixture, which in k13 goes into NA and Baltic and probably messes up the ratio.

This is one of the most insightful and important comments that I’ve read for a year. Exactly this problem is existent in Eurogenes calculators up to G25 inclusively even. But not in K36.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rothaer

This is one of the most insightful and important comments that I’ve read for a year. Exactly this problem is existent in Eurogenes calculators up to G25 inclusively even. But not in K36.

I don't think g25 has this problem.. k36 does, for example it has a fennoscandian component based on modern Finns, so it can model Finns properly, but it still can't deal with Sami (because of a lack of WHG and EHG components)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

What I learned while collecting various verified samples? Don't trust academic samples, they are often random people from some city with mixed ancestry (either ethic or if not, than regional).

"German East" everyone used for years is a great example (and we use it still, just renamed it to German_Saxony). Now when we got decent number of fully verified kits from Saxony, I can see that average wasn't good and probably included people with ancestry not only from Saxony, but other places. Nobody seems to check 4/4 grandparents in academic papers it seems, their reliability is really low.

New Saxony average we will publish soon to replace academic one (won't mix them but totally drop Leipzig academic kits) is pretty different and quite less eastern.

It's even close to "central German" genetic profile in a way, something many argued doesn't exist. All academic averages on Vahado need to be replaced with better ones, they are simply not reliable.

About not trusting academic samples I told you already in 2016 but then you laughed and believed in academic data like in a holy grail, and almost called me names for wanting to use non-academic data.

But now you are going from one extreme to another. You shouldn't dismiss academic samples entirely. There are no obvious outliers in the Leipzig sample in my opinion (they all look like they could be from Saxony, just from different parts of Saxony).

Check for comparison kits from Thuringia and from Saxony-Anhalt before you claim that your new average for Saxony is representative (it can be too western-shifted).

The GEDmatch kits I have for Saxony are not much different than the Leipzig academic average. So maybe you just found kits from a specific sub-region of Saxony.

Here is a German sample with all 4/4 grandparents from Thuringia for comparison, and still very eastern-plotting:

G25 coordinates (scaled):

Code:

DE_Thuringia1,0.132035,0.13405,0.056945,0.047804,0.036622,0.014223,0.010105,0.00923,-0.00225,-0.016583,-0.001786,0.00015,0.0055,0.01679,-0.000543,0.003713,0.001304,-0.003421,-0.002514,-0.001751,-0.002995,0.001855,0.003204,0.003253,-0.001197

Distance to: DE_Thuringia1
0.01788853 Czech
0.02052746 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02251585 Hungarian
0.02336433 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.02427786 German_East
0.02446324 Slovakian
0.02520100 Croatian
0.02579155 Polish
(...)

Quote:

Originally Posted by rothaer

I agree with exclamation mark. This is applicable to a number of GEDmatch calculators. How much unnecessary texting could have been avoided if f. i. the “Iberian” component of K36 just would have been called „component 7“ (figuratively)?!

I meant "nothing" in the sense that is very hard to tell to which EHG/WHG/steppe ratio they correspond, especially after the calculator effect.
The Iberian component still peaks in Iberians, but people without Iberian ancestry can get it too, either because of the calculator effect, or as a proxy because of a lack of components.

Sachsen-Anhalt kit from south-western part of Sachsen-Anhalt, which has no or very few Slavic toponyms (but Slavic admixture is there anyway):

Population
North_Atlantic 41.2 Pct
Baltic 32.61 Pct
West_Med 8.74 Pct
West_Asian 5.02 Pct
East_Med 9.88 Pct
Red_Sea 0.29 Pct
South_Asian 1.26 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.64 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.35 Pct

=====

And here is that Thuringian's K13 (from eastern Thuringia):

Population
North_Atlantic 33.73 Pct
Baltic 37.38 Pct
West_Med 8.85 Pct
West_Asian 8.81 Pct
East_Med 8.33 Pct
Red_Sea 0.92 Pct
South_Asian 0.17 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.51 Pct
Amerindian 0.11 Pct
Oceanian 1.17 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

I meant "nothing" in the sense that is very hard to tell to which EHG/WHG/steppe ratio they correspond, especially after the calculator effect.
The Iberian component still peaks in Iberians, but people without Iberian ancestry can get it too, either because of the calculator effect, or as a proxy because of a lack of components.

The Iberian component also existed e.g. in Neolithic British samples.

And in general in Neolithic Farmer populations throughout Europe.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomenable

The GEDmatch kits I have for Saxony are not much different than the Leipzig academic average. So maybe you just found kits from a specific sub-region of Saxony.

No, we have kits from multiple regions of Saxony, and several from Czech border. Old average was innacurate and shit.

Leipzig samples look east German, not specifically upper Saxon. They can be from wherever and they will be put into trashbin in new update.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomenable

Sachsen-Anhalt kit from south-western part of Sachsen-Anhalt, which has no or very few Slavic toponyms (but Slavic admixture is there anyway):

Population
North_Atlantic 41.2 Pct
Baltic 32.61 Pct
West_Med 8.74 Pct
West_Asian 5.02 Pct
East_Med 9.88 Pct
Red_Sea 0.29 Pct
South_Asian 1.26 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.64 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.35 Pct

=====

And here is that Thuringian's K13 (from eastern Thuringia):

Population
North_Atlantic 33.73 Pct
Baltic 37.38 Pct
West_Med 8.85 Pct
West_Asian 8.81 Pct
East_Med 8.33 Pct
Red_Sea 0.92 Pct
South_Asian 0.17 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.51 Pct
Amerindian 0.11 Pct
Oceanian 1.17 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

The Iberian component also existed e.g. in Neolithic British samples.

And in general in Neolithic Farmer populations throughout Europe.

I don't trust you, and can't verify where they are from exactly based on your telltales. Saxony Anhalt example you posted is very similar to what we have from there, from Thuringia we don't have any so I can't comment. But based on Saxony average what you post isn't overly representative.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

I meant "nothing" in the sense that is very hard to tell to which EHG/WHG/steppe ratio they correspond, especially after the calculator effect.
The Iberian component still peaks in Iberians, but people without Iberian ancestry can get it too, either because of the calculator effect, or as a proxy because of a lack of components.

I have very high Iberian component ( especially for Pole), this Iberian component shows my ancestry (or only similarity) in 3 chromosomes to Hungary, and in 1 chromosome to France/West Germany.

I know little time passed since initial averages release, but we got into possession of very, very large batch of samples with checked and confirmed ancestry from different regions. Updates are already basically ready, but we are struggling with Austria for which we got quite a few kits as well. So much for Leto attacking use of Noricum as stand alone Carinthian average btw, we got other Carinthians and that region (plus Styria) is looking pretty uniform.

So his sample was already decent. Ofc with more Carinthians it will be much better even, we welcome addition of every verified extra kit.
Problem is with upper and lower Austria, samples from there are unexpectedly genetically diverse and we aren't sure how to group them, so waiting for potential few more Austrian kits to get a clearer picture of the area.

That's the reason why this massive update isn't out yet. But trying it to be as fast as possible.

IMO German names are preferable to English as they sound more authentic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

I know little time passed since initial averages release, but we got into possession of very, very large batch of samples with checked and confirmed ancestry from different regions. Updates are already basically ready, but we are struggling with Austria for which we got quite a few kits as well. So much for Leto attacking use of Noricum as stand alone Carinthian average btw, we got other Carinthians and that region (plus Sytria) is looking pretty uniform.

So his sample was already decent. Ofc with more Carinthians it will be much better even, we welcome addition of every verified extra kit.
Problem is with upper and lower Austria, samples from there are unexpectedly genetically diverse and we aren't sure how to group them, so waiting for potential few more Austrian kits to get a clearer picture of the area.

That's the reason why this massive update isn't out yet. But trying it to be as fast as possible.

Just do a more generalized set of populations and you can have as many villages and towns as you want.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Just do a more generalized set of populations and you can have as many villages and towns as you want.

There are no villages and towns used, just historic and genetic regions. But we will make new general Austrian and German average.
And I am pretty sure you couldn't do the same for Russia even if you wanted, when most of your countrymen have no gedcom and no idea of their ancestry beside grandparents level.

Just because others are unable to do fine scale differences des not mean we need to lower our standards to adjust to that.

I understand to someone from Russia this approach looks alien when Russia is such a vast landmass and pretty centralized at that, with no real deep rootness and regional identity or tradition like most of Europe.
Germany was made of hundreds of mini states for centuries, and regional roots are very strong. Distrupted with WW2 in the east but in Russia already tens of millions were moved during communist era and pretty sure millions of Russians don't really know their deep regional ancestry or feel any kind of attachement towards that. Even the wild fields were colonised just centuries ago, and I doubt there were detailed records kept about where these settlers are coming from like in case of German areas.

Also, Russians are shockingly genetically homogenous considering how gigantic their country is and this means it was rapid expansion of settlers (who didn't even need to be numerous) into very lowly populated areas.
In case of Germany, it is not the case at all, hence bigger and more pronounced and refined genetic differences on much smaller areas. It was more like a gradual and more natural assimilation and intermixing with already present and densely populated older populations (especially in the south)

You don't need to tell me or the Russians we are somehow rootless or whatever. First of all, I'm more conservative and religious than most people here (who are probably various shades of liberal). Secondly, this isn't something specifically anti-German. I know the German language (not perfectly) and have a deep appreciation for German culture and history. Hell, I am even the main guy who has been posting results on this thread.

You are a tribal Croat and of course we are not like the South Slavs who obsess about some Y DNA subclades or whatever. You are not German and attacking the wrong person.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

There are no villages and towns used, just historic and genetic regions. But we will make new general Austrian and German average.
And I am pretty sure you couldn't do the same for Russia even if you wanted, when most of your countrymen have no gedcom and no idea of their ancestry beside grandparents level.

Just because others are unable to do fine scale differences des not mean we need to lower our standards to adjust to that.

There are plenty of Russian Gedcoms on Gedmatch, like literally hundreds. Many Russians now take interest in genealogy because of WW2 memorial projects (Great Patriotic War in Russian). This is where I dissent from the majority but at least it prompts so many people to go deep into their family history. Russia even has its own DNA testing company called Genotek (the raw data sucks though).

Germans are the ones who deny their roots for fear of being called Nazi or racist. The most self-hating country in the world where ethnic pride is literally a moral offense.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

You don't need to tell me or the Russians we are somehow rootless or whatever.

You are very centralistic minded and even feel threathened when some people prefer clear, fine scale averages. And I feel you do that because you can't do the same for Russia (no gedcoms, much poorer records keeping, transfers of millions into different regions trough centuries, no historical traditions of regionalism, except in Russian north I would assume).

I see you are not interested in fine-scale differences and like to lump all kinds of results togheder. Why do you assume other people are like that as well?
We want to reconstruct genetic image of ethnic Germans before WW2.

Quote:

First of all, I'm more conservative and religious than most people here (who are probably various shades of liberal). Secondly, this isn't something specifically anti-German. I know the German language (not perfectly) and have a deep appreciation for German culture and history. Hell, I am even the main guy who has been posting results on this thread.

And yet you don't really know or care for ancestry of samples you are posting except broadly. That's ok, but to quite a few people that's not informative enough.

Quote:

You are a tribal Croat and of course we are not like the South Slavs who obsess about some Y DNA subclades or whatever. You are not German and attacking the wrong person.

I have some German ancestry and put a lot of effort into this together with roather who is ethnic German and agrees with me on this approach (it is even his idea).
Croats are much more like Germans and Italians with our strong regional uniqueness, than any of these are like Russians.

You have been criticizing our work since averages were released instead of being appreciative of great effort we put into this. None questioned nor criticised when you made Russian average, but we were thankful you did it.