https://i.imgur.com/falI69r.png
Zmey Gorynich, WeirdlookingFellow, and the Moldovan sample aren't that far from each other. But they are far from the K15 Moldovan average, which obviously has some Ukrainian or Hungarian influence in it
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Zmey Gorynich, WeirdlookingFellow, and the Moldovan sample aren't that far from each other. But they are far from the K15 Moldovan average, which obviously has some Ukrainian or Hungarian influence in it
I've been saying for a long time that the Moldovan reference has Russian/Ukrainian samples to it. Add me to the PCAQuote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
North_Sea 14.21
Atlantic 16.88
Baltic 20.32
Eastern_Euro 10.62
West_Med 13.7
West_Asian 7
East_Med 11.56
Red_Sea 3.78
South_Asian 0.33
Southeast_Asian 0.6
Siberian 1
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
https://i.imgur.com/YPnMizv.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Carpatz
you are from Moldova too?
Nope. I'm from NW Romania.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
This is accurate?Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Lol, I smell some bullshit here.
These are his coordinates.
https://sun9-40.userapi.com/c855524/...qwmDyAiCAE.jpg
This is where he plots on the map.
https://sun9-21.userapi.com/c855524/...-kW3f4Aric.jpg
Zmey seems misplaced, but it was not intentional I am quite sure. He is not southern shifted at all.
Double post.
Germans were never inhabitants of Banija like they lives in Vojvodina, Baranja, Slavonia and part of Slovenia. Only some German officers served on Banija in Military Frontier. HungryLion is I2-PH908 which is most common Serbian paternal line, nothing to do with Germans. There was no German women on Banija, even if there was some by accident they did not married for Serbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
double
You don't know his ancestors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
He can be modeled half Serb half German and he is completely outside of Serbian cluster.
Spare me stupid purity stories and nationalism in genetic discussions. He and you are similar to Stears who claim he has no Moldovan and Vlach blood, but clusters with them.
Please. Either he is mixed or Serbs are social construct who can plot like anything.
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If he have German ancestors he would be know for that. Books of born and married on Banija exist since late 17th century.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
His NW shifted result is probably medieval influence. Banija Serbs partly originated from central Bosnia, and Saxon miners lived there in the middle age. I have seen result of Bosniak from central Bosnia, he ploting similar western as HungryLion but more southern.
K13Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 5.17
2 Serbian 5.87
3 Bulgarian 5.9
4 Moldavian 7.36
5 Croatian 10.69
6 Hungarian 12.2
7 Greek_Thessaly 14.7
8 Austrian 15.77
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.72
10 East_German 17.1
11 South_Polish 17.89
12 Ukrainian 18.04
13 North_Italian 20.07
14 Tuscan 20.43
15 Southwest_Russian 20.82
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.82
17 West_German 21.05
18 Italian_Abruzzo 21.09
19 Polish 21.25
20 Central_Greek 21.32
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.2% Bulgarian + 43.8% Moldavian @ 2.14
2 83.6% Moldavian + 16.4% Cyprian @ 2.17
3 79.2% Bulgarian + 20.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.28
4 75.2% Moldavian + 24.8% Central_Greek @ 2.29
5 82.5% Bulgarian + 17.5% Erzya @ 2.4
6 75.5% Bulgarian + 24.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.44
7 82.2% Bulgarian + 17.8% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.53
8 79.5% Bulgarian + 20.5% Southwest_Russian @ 2.56
9 78.8% Moldavian + 21.2% South_Italian @ 2.57
10 81.1% Bulgarian + 18.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.58
11 77.1% Bulgarian + 22.9% Ukrainian @ 2.61
12 84.3% Bulgarian + 15.7% Lithuanian @ 2.65
13 76.7% Moldavian + 23.3% East_Sicilian @ 2.65
14 54.2% Ukrainian + 45.8% Central_Greek @ 2.68
15 77.6% Croatian + 22.4% Cyprian @ 2.69
16 67.9% Moldavian + 32.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.71
17 86.2% Moldavian + 13.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.76
18 56.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 43.8% Central_Greek @ 2.77
19 80.2% Bulgarian + 19.8% Polish @ 2.77
20 66.5% Bulgarian + 33.5% Croatian @ 2.78
K15
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 4.99
2 Serbian 6.19
3 Bulgarian 6.63
4 Moldavian 7.22
5 Croatian 10.22
6 Hungarian 11.54
7 Austrian 12.65
8 Greek_Thessaly 13.25
9 Greek 14.36
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.56
11 East_German 15.89
12 South_Polish 16.3
13 Ukrainian 16.4
14 Tuscan 17.83
15 North_Italian 18.24
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.47
17 Ashkenazi 18.74
18 Italian_Abruzzo 18.78
19 Polish 19.03
20 Russian_Smolensk 19.13
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74% Moldavian + 26% Central_Greek @ 2.82
2 83% Moldavian + 17% Cyprian @ 2.85
3 77.7% Moldavian + 22.3% South_Italian @ 3.11
4 75.4% Moldavian + 24.6% East_Sicilian @ 3.13
5 68.4% Moldavian + 31.6% Greek @ 3.2
6 74.1% Moldavian + 25.9% Ashkenazi @ 3.23
7 85% Moldavian + 15% Armenian @ 3.29
8 74.2% Moldavian + 25.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.3
9 84.1% Moldavian + 15.9% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.33
10 85.1% Moldavian + 14.9% Assyrian @ 3.34
11 85.1% Moldavian + 14.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.34
12 81.1% Moldavian + 18.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.4
13 86.1% Moldavian + 13.9% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.41
14 86.1% Moldavian + 13.9% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.41
15 66.8% Moldavian + 33.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.43
16 80.7% Moldavian + 19.3% Italian_Jewish @ 3.43
17 85.8% Moldavian + 14.2% Samaritan @ 3.53
18 52.9% Bulgarian + 47.1% Moldavian @ 3.56
19 82% Moldavian + 18% Turkish @ 3.56
20 81.6% Moldavian + 18.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.58
He is misplaced pretty much, I don't see any resemblance of his results with WeirdlookingFellow for example. His results are similar to Bosnian Serbs ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Something like that would be completely diluted already in few generations. His ancestors did not live in isolation for centuries, but were migrating to Banija and there lived several centuries and mixed there. If he is normal than all Banija Serbs would plot around him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
You can't accept the fact Serbs and Croats are not much different from each other. One and the same YUGOSLAV nation! xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Sorry but no. All my family is closer to Hungarians and Moldovans than to Serbs. We all get Hungary as no.1Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
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Racially Serbs and Croats fit in each other's countries. Minute genetic differences are not so important.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Obviusly he is more NW shifted than average Banija Serbs. Other two Banija Serbs are more SE than HungryLion but still they are more NW than Serbian average. You must look HL result in the context of Banija Serbs, not Serbs from Serbia or Montenegrins.Quote:
Originally Posted by ph2ter
HL has 62% Baltic+NA on K13, and Serbian average is about 55.5%. HL has for about 6.5% more Baltic+NA than Serbian average, and that is nothing extreme.
This is average K13 of 23 Serbs from various regions
https://forum.krstarica.com/attachme...-1-png.534211/
Most of Banija Serbs settled to Banija from NW Bosnia (mostly Potkozarje) in late 17th century. In NW Bosnia they arrived from SE in 16th century (Herzegovina, central Bosnia, Raška). Probably when they arrived in NW Bosnia in 16th century they absorbed some people who live there before them.
depends how close German matches he gets, and where they're from.(all Serbs get some distant German matches)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
he should upload to MyHeritage, there is a lot of Germans tested there. and try out Tolan recent ancestors and k71. they are not perfect, but they should show some German signal.
Where to find this?Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
http://dnagenics.com/admixture-studio/Quote:
Originally Posted by Moje ime
Racially both fit in most of east europe and balkans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Not a big deal. Croats and Serbs both have their own look.
Paper trail <<<< Genetic test
Lot of illegitimate children born in the past. And there was no DNA tests to prove who their father was.
Hrvoje YDNA good example of that.
it aint bulshit.. i just typed 255 instead of 225. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
here
https://i.imgur.com/zVUwoej.png
It would be interesting to find more Moldovans from the Central-West area, near Neamț area. This is where they took samples from a study that looked for differences between Romanian Moldovans and Moldova Rep. and found around 45% I2a1 Y-DNA. Like Aspirin said and based on vbnetkhio's map, we might see more Moldovans like me plotting to the west, signalling more Vlach ancestry.
Where is this Croat from and what are his K13 and K15? thnxQuote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
https://i.postimg.cc/zX4SRn9R/2Y0aBth.png
I2din is not Vlach ancestry but Slavic.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow
Herzegovina Croats are 70% I2 din and have most Slavic shift in this PCA among South Slavs.
I am tired of stupid stereotypes connecting I2 with Vlachs and R1a with Slavs. Native Balkan markers are eastern R1b, E-V13 and various types of J2.
Haplogroups don't have any connection with your autosomal results, the most North shifted Moldavians from Romania what I saw have J and E haplogroups.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow
Central CroatQuote:
Originally Posted by Insuperable
https://i.imgur.com/pZS3Ioe.png
North_Sea 19,45
Atlantic 12,04
Baltic 22,73
Eastern_Euro 16,69
West_Med 11,28
West_Asian 8,04
East_Med 6,56
Red_Sea 0,87
South_Asian 1,13
Southeast_Asian 0
Siberian 1,21
Amerindian 0
Oceanian 0
Northeast_African 0
Sub-Saharan 0
I think he will be a good example of average unmixed Moldavian, since he don't have any East Slavic (Ukrainian/Russian) or Balkan (Bulgarian/Gagauz) ancestry.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
what do you mean by Vlach ancestry? Vlach can mean many things. for now it seems you are similar to Montenegrins and Sandzak MuslimsQuote:
Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow
do you get any matches in the Western Balkans?
At this stage considering the results not much, but a paleo-Balkan latinised people that did not receive significant east Slavic admixture.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
To answer Aspirin, I didn't check the MtDNA diversity. If the diversity is low and only one Y-Dna amounts to almost 50% you may be able to talk about an isolated population that is homogenous, so it might say a few things about the Vlachs, maybe. This is just a supposition.
that's the main component in every Romanian's ancestry. Romanians are very south plotting for their geographic location.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow
I2a-Din was most dominant in vlach social caste in Dinaric alps, they were mostly of Slavic origin. Vlach caste was product of medieval Serbia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SebriQuote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Catholic vlachs were Bunjevci.
Bosnian Croats in yellow based on last map . Not sure about one case where letters overlap.
https://i.postimg.cc/63VNmybp/ppppp.png
those 2 with kit numbers starting with T are probably Herzegovians too. Cumansky posted them in this threadQuote:
Originally Posted by Insuperable
if you divide Bosnians From Herzegovians, Bosnians mostly overlap with Serbs, Herzegovinians are all north of Serbs
the overlaps are:
Croatian Croat, Bosnian Croat and Max Soldo
Croatian Croat and Bosnian Croat
Herzegovina Croat and Southern_Cro_2 who is from Dalmatia and Herzegovina
Nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav