Typical local Moldavian folk music, nothing Bulgarian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
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Typical local Moldavian folk music, nothing Bulgarian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
You can see their perspective here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
I personally don't have a problem with them being russophones in their autonomy. All the Gagauz people that I've ever known in Chisinau spoke decent Romanian. They are just not incentivised to use it in the autonomy, since their population is very homogeneous and Russian is native for them. Ironically they received autonomy, but instead of using its benefits to preserve their Turkic language, they started teaching mainly in Russian. The media is also mostly Russian. So they are now in a situation were Gagauz is a dying language, which is kept on life support by Turkish investments.
For me typical is something akin to Zinaida Julea, but I'm also not very familiar with the folklore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Too late, most of them are pro-Russian or pro-Turkey, and majority of them speak more Russian than their native language.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
What about Poles? I think many dress well but mostly in bigger cities like Warsaw or Wrocław. Elsewhere ... you can even find what we call Faszyn from Raszyn, Raszyn is a village near Warsaw ... and many who don't care either. And it sounds like Russian in English too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
:D
https://d-pt.ppstatic.pl/k/r/1/8b/48...jpg?1529952485
What Moldovans think about Transnistria? Do they visit this place at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
I wouldn't mind them leaving Moldova for Russia altogether ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Better than any fucking Muslims.
But the point is they are genetically almost completely native to the region.
By the way, I think there were some questions in the PMs I sent you some days ago. About the Romanian language in Moldova.
That is bullshit commercial folklore with roots in Lautar music, peasant music is different, more simplistic and authentic. Especially in today Republic she is still very alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkHcTPDNQPA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_JkRvvOcqc
What Moldovans think about Transnistria? Do they visit this place at all or want it back? My friends visited this place a couple years ago, according to them it felt like a Soviet heritage park brought to real life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
There's no need to visit. Probably half of the working age Transnistrians are every day either in Chisinau or Odessa. There are long queues every morning and afternoon on the Dniester, since they commute to Chisinau for work. Chisinau is like 50km away from Tiraspol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy
The conflict is mostly political, as people haven't really been separated.
I understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Real Latin speaking Moldavians without recent Russian/Ukrainian admixture are Romanian like people on average, not Bosniak, Bosnian Serb and Croatian like as Gedmatch average say. Make sense that Moldavian are closer to Romanians than to people who are located hundreds of km from them and speak different language.
LOL. Then absolutely no reason for that breakaway joke republic to exist. It's not like Russian was banned or purged from the Rep of Moldova. Almost everyone still speaks it, even Aspirin who claims to be both rural and unmixed ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Yes, but also there is overlap. My closest matches on G25 are Croatians, Bosnians, Slovenes and Hungarians. Same goes for my parents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
On K13, I get the following:
# Population Percent 1 Baltic 29.33 2 North_Atlantic 25.27 3 West_Med 15.21 4 East_Med 13.04 5 West_Asian 9.95 6 Siberian 2.85 7 East_Asian 1.83 8 Red_Sea 1.42 9 South_Asian 0.7 10 Oceanian 0.4
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance 1 Serbian 4.31 2 Moldavian 5.04 3 Romanian 7.02 4 Croatian 7.86 5 Hungarian 8.13 6 Bulgarian 9.24 7 Austrian 11.88 8 East_German 13.07 9 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.8 10 South_Polish 14.54 11 Ukrainian 15.09 12 West_German 17.6 13 Greek_Thessaly 17.77 14 Polish 18.25 15 Southwest_Russian 18.34 16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.59 17 South_Dutch 19.05 18 Tatar 19.21 19 French 19.66 20 North_Italian 20.22
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 83.1% Serbian + 16.9% Tatar @ 1.87 2 88% Serbian + 12% Chuvash @ 1.97 3 90.1% Serbian + 9.9% Mari @ 2.25 4 79.3% Romanian + 20.7% East_Finnish @ 2.33 5 76.6% Romanian + 23.4% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.48 6 78.8% Romanian + 21.2% Finnish @ 2.58 7 55.7% Serbian + 44.3% Moldavian @ 2.65 8 87.2% Serbian + 12.8% Erzya @ 2.66 9 61.2% Ukrainian + 38.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.71 10 73.3% Bulgarian + 26.7% Finnish @ 2.73 11 60.5% Moldavian + 39.5% Romanian @ 2.77 12 86.8% Serbian + 13.2% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.82 13 83.8% Moldavian + 16.2% Tuscan @ 2.83 14 67.8% Romanian + 32.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.83 15 84.9% Moldavian + 15.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.86 16 69.8% Romanian + 30.2% Ukrainian @ 2.86 17 79.4% Romanian + 20.6% Estonian @ 2.88 18 74.2% Bulgarian + 25.8% East_Finnish @ 2.91 19 71.7% Bulgarian + 28.3% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.91 20 51.7% Tuscan + 48.3% Erzya @ 2.93
You speak Russian, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
https://moldova.europalibera.org/a/28825691.html
I recommend this book on how they treat their own people.
new_Moldavian,23.90,28.82,16.52,10.09,14.90,1.80,0 .53,0.57,1.47,0.68,0.41,0.14,0.10
Still, I am closer to new_Moldavian than to Croatian. :thumb001:
https://i.imgur.com/Vbb5BwA.jpg
The people who are close to Romanian average are these from the south who live close to Bulgarians and Gagauz colonists, and people who have origins from that area, northern the situation is different, many in fact are very close to that average, some are even more northern (Mold/Ukro mixes). But since you are Serb, and you skip my response, not surprised me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Unrelated to the topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
I wonder what is amount of kaykavians in Croatian average on Gedmatch when Krajina Serb woman (Đurić, your match) who have 44.11% North_European on K12b stay little more southern on K15 map than official Croatian average https://i.imgur.com/4U5kt90.png
So colled Croatian average must be 45% NE according to this, and in my opinion that is too much for average for Croatians as whole.
On Poreklo Croatian average NE on K12b is 41.75%, and on Eupedia stay 42.6%.
New Moldavian and Serbian averages are basically overlapped.
new_Moldavian,23.90,28.82,16.52,10.09,14.90,1.80,0 .53,0.57,1.47,0.68,0.41,0.14,0.10
Serbian_new,25.1342857143,30.1357142857,16.5271428 571,8.7135714286,15.37,1.75,0.3692857143,0.2928571 429,0.8414285714,0.3471428571,0.3021428571,0.04357 14286,0.0978571429
https://i.imgur.com/Lvy8unD.jpg
This match of my mother is most likely Moldovan. It's unmixed East Romance speaker (Radu is his name), but with very weird and almost nonexistant surname.
It exists only on 3 locations in northern part of Romanian Moldova.
https://www.hartanumeromanesti.eu/en...hichi&s=Search
1 Baltic 31.36
2 North_Atlantic 22.58
3 East_Med 16.01
4 West_Med 14.37
5 West_Asian 10.9
6 Red_Sea 2.56
7 Siberian 1.23
8 Amerindian 0.53
9 Northeast_African 0.27
10 Oceanian 0.19
Single Population Sharing:
1 Serbian 5.73
2 Moldavian 5.78
3 Romanian 7.01
4 Bulgarian 8.19
5 Croatian 8.64
6 Hungarian 10.5
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.32
8 Austrian 14.82
9 South_Polish 15.39
10 Ukrainian 15.6
11 East_German 15.91
12 Greek_Thessaly 16.95
13 Southwest_Russian 17.98
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.16
15 Polish 18.73
16 Russian_Smolensk 20.22
17 Tatar 20.59
18 Estonian_Polish 20.74
19 West_German 20.92
20 Belorussian 21.33
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
1 56.9% Southwest_Russian + 43.1% Central_Greek @ 1.08
2 61.1% Southwest_Russian + 38.9% South_Italian @ 1.35
3 60.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 39.2% South_Italian @ 1.45
4 69% Bulgarian + 31% Southwest_Russian @ 1.48
5 51.7% Greek_Thessaly + 48.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.5
6 52.1% Central_Greek + 47.9% Lithuanian @ 1.5
7 56.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 43.4% Central_Greek @ 1.53
8 69.2% Bulgarian + 30.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.54
9 54% Russian_Smolensk + 46% Central_Greek @ 1.6
10 70.9% Ukrainian + 29.1% Cyprian @ 1.68
11 58.1% Southwest_Russian + 41.9% East_Sicilian @ 1.7
12 71.2% South_Polish + 28.8% Cyprian @ 1.71
13 57.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 42.1% East_Sicilian @ 1.73
14 51.5% Greek_Thessaly + 48.5% Southwest_Russian @ 1.76
15 53.3% Estonian_Polish + 46.7% Central_Greek @ 1.79
16 67% Polish + 33% Cyprian @ 1.85
17 71.6% Bulgarian + 28.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 1.88
18 76.4% Bulgarian + 23.6% Lithuanian @ 1.93
19 74.2% Bulgarian + 25.8% Erzya @ 1.96
20 52.7% Belorussian + 47.3% Central_Greek @ 1.97
These results look rather Moldovan than Wallachian or Transylvanian to me. Your opinion?
I don't know. Kajkavians are cca 30% of Croats and their genetic is considerably more northern and northwestern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
I would say in Croatian autosomal average there is higher % kaykavians than their % in total Croatian population. Because Croatians wannabe as much possible more northern and central Euro shifted close to Austrians and Hungarians on "average."Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
In y dna they use predominantly Dalmatian and Herzegovinian samples for artificial pumping of I2a-Din, for the claim that haplo as Croatian.
"Latins (Catholics) are old cheaters" our peple said long time ago in our epic songs!
Stop trolling, autistic idiot. And mind your own business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
That's not the new average yet. Aspirin shared several kits yesterday and we also have the academic samples from Stefan Voda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
I will make an average for the country and perhaps for regions (North, Centre, South).
I only was two times here, both times transiting this territory going in Ukraine visiting some relatives in Nikolaev oblast. I never visited that territory just to see how people live here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy
Yes, it's probably from Romania's Moldavia, because it doesn't exist in this form in R. Moldova. There are only variations of it, Chichii, Chichioi, Chichici, Chichin, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
Ok, I just used average what Aspirin wrote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Would that new average be more southern or northern shifted when you add that samples?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
So a smaller issue than I imagined I guess. :)
Have a read at this if you are curious about the situation. A bit old, but not much has changed since.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy
This don't make any sense, especially if you look at the results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Why not? They pull South.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Update v12 (Raw)
https://i.imgur.com/VuAE2yk.png
I ran his data trough updated K13. Definitely full Moldovan IMO. Surname seem to be from Botosani district too on that map.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Distance to: X
4.06997543 Romanian_Botosani
4.24080134 Bosnian
4.35920519 Serbian_new
4.50043331 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
4.50470865 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
4.82304883 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
4.82922354 Romanian_Average
4.87378703 Serb_Croatia
5.82579072 Serbian_Bosnia
6.30053966 Bulgarian_Sofia
Target: X
Distance: 1.4016% / 1.40157899 | ADC: 0.25x
63.0 Romanian_Botosani
16.2 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
7.8 Bosniak_Tuzla
5.4 Pomak_Xanthi
4.8 Bulgarian_Ruse
2.8 Bulgarian_Burgas
Target: X
Distance: 2.1127% / 2.11272287 | ADC: 0.5x
60.0 Romanian_Botosani
12.8 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
11.6 Turk_N-Macedonia
8.0 Serbian_new
4.8 Pomak_Kavala
1.8 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
1.0 Pomak_Plovdiv
They need to score tons of Mongoloid, and to have many asiatic features, because in the past in that region lived Nogais, the most cheburek looking Tatars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
But people look like that here:
Spoiler!
There's a person on this list who scored 2.06% Oceanian. It's quite high, so it can't be noise. What is the possible explanation to this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Maybe, but the most popular family name there is still Turkic, so at some point there was at least one guy who had a lot of offspring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Oceanian for people without Melanesian, Papuan or Polynesian descent is usually just an overflow from the Siberian/East Asian components. They are closely related, despite how different these groups look physically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris596
The Oceanian is just noise. Even 2 percent can be noise if it pops up only on one calculator. The Oceanians are basically Australian Aboriginals, they ain't Siberian at all.
Update v12 (Final)
I'll provide the average coordinates for K13 in a sec, so don't bother transcribing from the image
https://i.imgur.com/Ra4tijq.png
Nice post, I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Exist this study about frequency of haplogroups in today Republic compared to Romania (Moldova region). And from southern parts the samples were taken from the same region, village Carahasani, neighboring with Caplani.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
In that village exist just one haplogroup who seems to be of Turanic origin, N-P43. Theoretically, similar situation need to be in Caplani too. In the north, in Sofia, one individual have haplogroup Q.
Spoiler!