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Two from South , I think first one is lowest Baltic till now,
https://i.imgur.com/lCdGEOd.png
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Tetovo-Skopje
https://i.imgur.com/MVLMbsq.jpg
K13 Updated,
Code:Distance to: Tetovo-Skopje
6.41164565 Italian_Friuli_VG
7.42145538 Italian_Trentino
7.90571312 Bosniak_Sandzak
8.05347130 Montenegrin
8.13098395 Romania_Crisana
8.77177291 Romania_Transylvania
8.80203386 Italian_Veneto
Code:Target: Tetovo-Skopje
Distance: 1.2460% / 1.24599476
50.2 Swiss_Italian
15.2 Greek_Northern-Thrace
10.3 Moldova_Jewish
9.5 Latvian
8.0 Sorb_Lusatia
3.0 Greek_Western-Thrace
1.7 Greek_West
1.3 Italian_Sardinia
0.7 Dai
0.1 Albanian_Tosk
Code:Target: Tetovo-Skopje
Distance: 1.7141% / 1.71411302 | R3P
63.0 Italian_Trentino
19.5 Moldova_Jewish
17.5 Belorussian
Tetovo (Northwest)
https://i.imgur.com/jkEzJom.png
https://i.imgur.com/SyHCtYF.png
3.87152425 Albanian_Gheg
4.46476203 Macedonian_South
4.47163281 Macedonian
4.69284562 Albanian
4.95565334 Torbesh_average
5.18578827 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
5.30934083 Macedonian_North
5.31859944 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
5.92317693 Greek_Thessaly
6.25865001 Greek_Northeast
6.35024409 Bulgaria_Northeastern
6.44110239 Greek_West_Macedonia
6.48802744 Bulgaria_Southeastern
6.54686948 Albanian_Tosk
6.99589165 Greek_Central_Macedonia
7.34490299 Bulgaria_Southcentral
7.39338218 Bulgaria_Southwestern
7.46225837 Greek
7.58910403 Bosniak_Sandzak
7.59849327 Bulgaria_average
How you explain that most of Macedonians score higher North Atlantic than Baltic?Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyP
My personal opinion is that many of the ancient Macedonian tribes with some Thracian tribes like Bessi were described as Blondes/Redheads and my point is that ancient Macedonians were partly Celts together with some Thracian tribes, I think even MBA samples from Northeast Greece showing thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Varda
Greece_MBA_Log04,27.02,17.23,18.01,13.6,18.4,1.55,0.08,0.5,0.83,2.35,0.3 ,0,0.13 ,
This is average from log2 and log4 , GRC_Helladic_MBA,26.22,14.74,21.24,11.57,21.02,1.92,0.04,0.25,0.42,1.68, 0.76,0.00,0.16
New average for East Macedonians :
Macedonian_east,24.9,20.3,20.6,10.5,19.2,2.7,0.1,0.6,0.3,0.4,0.4,0.0,0 .0
I'm posting east Macedonian average because on these parts lived Bessi tribes, but in general 90% of Macedonian samples have high North Atlantic, is that make sense to you ?
Macedonian from Veles-Aegean, y-DNA I-CTS10057 probably Celtic branch https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-CTS10057/
https://i.imgur.com/wCflbuw.png
Extra results :D
https://i.imgur.com/JJgzUKu.png
https://i.imgur.com/Gl9NWgB.png
Skopje
https://i.imgur.com/a4yMvOs.png
https://i.imgur.com/k3tI2YR.png
https://i.imgur.com/34sXaE6.png
Northwest - E-V13
https://i.imgur.com/ZnYqxDR.png
Plus MyTrueAncestry for last :D
https://i.imgur.com/HU5bScI.png
Macedonian from Skopje-Bitola
https://i.imgur.com/KhvSqoq.png
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12 - Macedonian Tetovo K13 results (Polog region - Northwest)
https://i.imgur.com/WUg2X6E.png
https://i.imgur.com/3TyupZT.png
Is it true that Macedonians are closest to Western Bulgarians?
You are on the wrong page for trolling bra, but anyways ;Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Eastern MacedoniansCode:Distance to: Macedonian
2.97756612 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
3.82272154 Albanian_Gheg
4.33544692 Bulgaria_Southcentral
4.59084959 Bulgaria_Northeastern
4.72217111 Albanian
4.74191944 Bulgaria_average
4.81370959 Torbesh_average
4.81589036 Bulgaria_Southwestern
4.82344275 Bulgaria_Southeastern
5.14797047 Bosniak_Sandzak
Distance to: Macedonian_Central&South
2.30443052 Albanian_Gheg
2.51561126 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
3.13277832 Albanian
3.33805332 Torbesh_average
4.25853555 Greek_Thessaly
5.07420930 Albanian_Tosk
5.19973076 Bulgaria_Southeastern
5.20703370 Greek_Central_Macedonia
5.27357564 Greek_Northeast
5.33437906 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
Target: East_avg
Distance: 1.1091% / 1.10913248 | ADC: 0.5x RC
42.5 Bosniak_Sandzak
36.1 Albanian_Gheg
21.4 Italian_Friuli_VG
That's not trolling by any means. I'm asking because the Dodecad average for Macedonians is the closest to Bulgarian_West from Kaspias.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyP
I'm not from the Balkans, so there's literally no point for me to troll. Y'all neither neither score nor look like me :cool:
Macedonian,5.45,0.29,0.55,0.20,27.45,34.19,0.36,0. 03,6.29,0.15,25.03,0.02
Distance to: Macedonian
1.01710373 Romanian
1.76697482 Bulgarian_West
2.00392116 Moldovan_South
2.44474948 Montenegrin
2.77447292 Bulgarian_Central
Target: Macedonian
Distance: 0.5657% / 0.56569067 | ADC: 0.25x RC
57.9 Bulgarian_West
37.4 Montenegrin
4.7 Italian_Veneto
The Macedonian average on dodecad is probably outdated.
can you provide the kit numbers for the Tetovo guys?Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyP
Why would it be? North Macedonia is to the WEST of Bulgaria, so it's only natural they're most similar to Western BG than the rest of said country. I don't believe you always need a fuck ton of sample to get an idea of a country's genetic profile. If Johnny is unwilling to raise a fucking finger to update that average, I don't give a rat's ass 'cause it's good enough for me. Anyway I trust Kaspias more than those whose judgement is severely clouded by politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by CommonSense
You think his kits are unrepresentative? I've not seen many Macedonians who score like typical Bulgarians from the west of the country. And certainly none who are similar to Montenegrins of any kind. They're either like eastern Bulgarians or like Aromanians and Ghegs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
I'm not saying his kits are unrepresentative. But Dodecad may be simply different from Eurogenes.Quote:
Originally Posted by CommonSense
These references from all calculators except K13 are wrong ... really wrong, nothing like Macedonian averages or kits, also K15 it's not updated, my averages are from more than 250 Kits, and besides that nothing like these references even averages are not like that, even these are Academic samples from a study I know, they are Skopje samples and most of them are Macedo-Serbs, even 50% of them have Serbian surnames.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
So gedmatch references of Macedonians are wrong, I can bet for many more ethnicities are wrong, but anyway I'm here to correct it, bro? Not even one thank?
Cheers!
Yes I can ,Quote:
Originally Posted by Coolguy1
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JT5955745
If you can, please run some of the best Macedonian kits through Dodecad K12b. That'd be appreciated very much.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyP
I think medieval Slavic speaking Macedonians were northern shifted than modern ones because they are mixed with Aromanians in Ottoman time and later.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyP
Quote:
Originally Posted by Varda
I think no, the fact that Albanians,Macedonians and Aromanians in past lived in one kingdom called Macedonia while northern borders were next to Skopje , so without Skopje and Kumanovo , that's reason why Central ,West , Southwest,Southeast Macedonians are similar/same to Ghegs and Aromanians not because later they were mixed with them, so Macedonians from regions where never lived Aromanians or Ghegs have those type of results, Skopje and Kumanovo have high Serbian influence, Kumanovo even more, 4th person in Kumanovo is mixed with Serb.
I said once I will say again Aromanians are Macedonians same with Albanians, most of them.Cheers!
https://i.imgur.com/Qs2Hjav_d.webp?m...fidelity=grand
Albanians in Macedonia are migrants in Ottoman time, they are Muslims and because of religion mixing with Orthodox Slavic speaking Macedonians was impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyP
Same goes for Aromanians. They settled in N. Macedonia from Epirus and Thessaly in Ottoman time. For example Aromanians of Kruševo came from Epirius (mostly from Samarina) in period 1756-1903.
Vlachs who lived in Macedonia since middle age are Megleno-Vlachs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megleno-Romanians
Mijaks are created as mix of Slavs who arrived in western Macedonian from Albania in Ottoman time and Aromanian migrants from Epirus also in Ottoman time.
Kruševo is a copy of Samarina. Altitude of Kruševo is 1350 m and of Samarina is 1450 m, architecture is very similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Varda
Lawyer Toma Fila (Aromanian) say that Macedonians can claim ancient Macedonian origin only over the back of Aromanians https://mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Тома_Фила
He say Macedonians are native as much as they have Aromanian blood.
Broski i will no go into further discussion about this, I said what I have to said, Albanians in Macedonia are native, we are pretty similar together with Aromanians too, all natives to Macedonia, same with Torbeshi too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Varda
So I will leave this thread to DNA kits.
Thanks in advance cheers!
Most of present day Albanians of Macedonia are descendants of settlers in Ottomans time from Albania.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyP
Most of them are Ghegs, and minority are Tosks.
Do you have other regional averages?Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyP
Quote:
Originally Posted by Varda
Nope man, stop with that Serbian propaganda about Albanians and everyone around, Albanians are native to Kosovo and Macedonia they are not settlers from Ottoman time, and again modern Macedonian = Aromanians, also Macedonians,Albanians(mostly Ghegs),Aromanians, and Torbeshi = Macedonians.
Please leave this thread for DNA kits , and go around with your Wikipedia b*llshit.
Every fucking Kosovo Albanian know from which clan in northern Albania originated.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyP
Albanians in Kosovo in mid of 15th century (Ottoman defters) were less than 1%.
If Albanians are native in Macedonia than they have a right on secession of western Macedonia. Do you agree?
Not anymore, NATO...Quote:
Originally Posted by Varda
Btw your "theory" of mixing Macedonians with Aromanians is not supported by facts and also that "from the medieval age, Macedonians were North shifted" ( idk from where you got this idea, but that's totally wrong... ).
First of all Macedonians from regions where never lived Aromanians have the same or even more southern results than actual Aromanian ( and I don't know how large you think is Aromanian community in Macedonia but it's actually small ), also Macedonian average is more southern than the Aromanian average, even my Central and South Macedonian average plots between Aromanians and Ghegs even more southern, so there is again nonsense but i guess that's you.I didn't open this thread to discussing about nonsense, please leave this thread if you are not interested in Macedonian Gedmatch kits, thanks in advance.
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyP
Of course they are, as Turks are in Constantinopole. :rotfl
And so called "Macedonia" is as much of a country and as much of a nation as Luxemburg, and even has less history than Luxemburg. The territory is Serbian and it's population is a mix of Serbs, Bulgars, Gypsies and Albanians. It's language is also a mix of Serbian and Bulgarian. Communists created it after 1945 to weaken Serbia. Communists gave it a stolen name from Greek history (Hellenian Macedonia), that's why Greeks are so upset about them. They stole history from Greeks and they stole land from us. That's how they created an artificial nation.
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Originally Posted by JohnnyP
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Originally Posted by JohnnyP
Seriously man, can you pick 15-20 kits that are most represenative in your opinion and make a new Macedonian national average for Dodecad K12b? I'm curious how different it'd be from the existing one.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyP
<google-sheets-html-origin>I added also DodecadK12B Regional Averages and also average from all regions.
Under South are Southwestern / Pelagonia and Southeastern regions ,here's how regions are separated;
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Regions Calculator Gedroasia Siberian Northwest African Southeast Asian Atlantic_Med North European South Asian East African Southwest Asian East Asian Caucasus Sub Saharan Vardar Region DodecadK12b 5.63 1.71 0 0 30.28 27.78 0.37 0 6.3 0 27.93 0 Vardar Region DodecadK12b 6.12 0.95 2.31 0.06 28.14 29.7 0.06 0 6.42 0 26.25 0 Vardar Region DodecadK12b 6.44 0 1.09 0 29.96 29.23 0.18 0 5.99 0.74 26.37 0 Vardar Region DodecadK12b 5.97 0.49 1.4 0 29.15 28.61 0.91 0 7.9 0.73 24.86 0 Vardar Region DodecadK12b 4.21 1.16 0 0 29.35 27.9 1.19 0 6.86 0.28 29.04 0 Vardar Region DodecadK12b 5.93 0 1.29 0 29.17 29.13 0.82 0 6.8 0 26.86 0 Vardar Region DodecadK12b 4.98 0.63 1.43 0.36 29.55 27.86 0 0 6.39 0 28.8 0 Vardar Region DodecadK12b 4.45 0 1.91 0.22 29.66 31.16 0 0 5.16 0 27.41 0 Vardar Region DodecadK12b 5.78 0.55 1.05 0.1 28.86 29.83 0 0.11 6.48 0.1 27.14 0 Vardar Region DodecadK12b 6.59 0 1.17 0.43 30.35 28.8 0 0 7.95 0 24.71 0 Vardar Region DodecadK12b 6.73 0 1.83 0 26.94 29.12 0 0 8.13 0.63 26.61 0 Vardar Region DodecadK12b 4.59 0.23 1.59 0 28.76 29.06 0 0 7.54 0 28.23 0 Average 5.62 0.48 1.26 0.10 29.18 29.02 0.29 0.01 6.83 0.21 27.02 0.00 South Regions DodecadK12b 5.37 0.36 1.68 0.82 25.93 28.57 0 0.09 7.74 0 29.44 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 3.9 0.67 0.85 0 30.81 27.8 0.39 0 8.48 0 27.09 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 6.94 0 1.48 0 29.38 28.14 0 0 7.66 1.11 25.3 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 5.78 0.18 0.06 0 27.29 28.6 0.29 0 9.79 0 28.01 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 5.86 0 0 0 29.8 29.76 0 0 6.64 0 27.94 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 4 0.49 1.39 0 28.4 30.34 0.59 0 7.03 0 27.76 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 5.28 0.06 1.98 0 27.64 29.03 0 0 7.63 0 28.33 0.05 South Regions DodecadK12b 5.87 0.4 1.99 0 28.74 28.58 0 0 7.66 0 26.76 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 5.93 0 0.45 0 29.28 27.42 0 0 9.34 0.75 26.83 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 4.51 0.23 2.26 0 28.76 28.92 0 0 9.3 0 26.01 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 3.89 0.4 1.57 0 29.52 28.36 0.18 0 7.11 1.4 27.56 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 5.5 1.23 1.94 0.43 30.59 27.78 0 0 7.27 0 25.27 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 5.77 0 0.61 0.32 28.1 27.62 0.06 0 8.84 0 28.68 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 5.34 0.55 1.03 0 29.38 28.72 1.05 0 7.65 0 26.26 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 4.7 0 4.11 0 25.98 29.1 0.41 0 7.66 0 28.04 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 3.42 0.26 0.05 0 29.79 29.81 1.33 0 8.19 0 27.16 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 6.45 0.37 0.15 0 28.67 28.78 0 0.36 7.43 0 28.79 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 4.57 0.42 0 0 29.23 27.75 0.28 0 9.59 0 28.16 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 2.47 0 1.25 0 29.05 31.55 0 0 8.04 0 27.64 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 5.26 0 1.14 0.85 27.61 27.19 0 0 8.47 0 29.45 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 6.34 0.28 0 0 30.23 29.13 0.37 0 8.62 0 25.03 0 South Regions DodecadK12b 4.07 0 3.05 0 29.7 23.94 0 0 10.08 0.56 28.54 0 Average 5.06 0.27 1.23 0.11 28.81 28.50 0.23 0.02 8.19 0.17 27.46 0.00 Polog Region DodecadK12b 5.3 0.45 2.61 0 29.51 30.43 0.94 0 6.51 0 24.22 0 Polog Region DodecadK12b 6.74 0 0.52 0 29.21 31.26 0 0 5.73 0.54 26.01 0 Polog Region DodecadK12b 7.36 0 0.25 0 29.14 29.59 0 0 6.87 0.5 26.3 0 Polog Region DodecadK12b 5.55 0 0.63 0.43 29.04 30.16 0 0 7.14 0 27.06 0 Polog Region DodecadK12b 6.42 0 0 0 28.4 29.82 0 0 8.1 0.14 27.12 0 Polog Region DodecadK12b 3.26 0.95 1.67 0 26.43 30.16 0.46 0 6.41 0.44 30.24 0 Polog Region DodecadK12b 6.58 0 1.61 0.36 29.9 32.28 0 0 4.52 0 24.74 0 Polog Region DodecadK12b 4.26 0 1.4 0 28.57 31.22 0.83 0 6.71 0.32 26.69 0 Polog Region DodecadK12b 4.03 0.88 3.55 0 25.5 30.91 0 0 7.23 0 27.91 0 Polog Region DodecadK12b 4.8 0.69 0.2 0 26.46 32.15 0 0 7.13 0 28.19 0 Polog Region DodecadK12b 7.41 0 0 0.38 31.41 32.84 0 0.23 5.94 0 21.79 0 Average 5.61 0.27 1.13 0.11 28.51 30.98 0.20 0.02 6.57 0.18 26.39 0.00 Eastern Region DodecadK12b 1.40 0.55 0.16 0.31 29.93 34.42 0.00 0.00 7.25 0.00 25.99 0.00 Eastern Region DodecadK12b 2.48 0.31 1.52 0.00 28.67 32.60 0.00 0.00 6.95 1.10 26.37 0.00 Eastern Region DodecadK12b 5.95 0.85 0.34 0.00 28.98 28.41 0.51 0.00 7.56 0.70 26.69 0.00 Eastern Region DodecadK12b 6.42 0.56 0.00 0.00 28.41 28.99 0.00 0.00 7.31 0.58 27.72 0.00 Eastern Region DodecadK12b 5.81 0.06 0.11 0.55 28.82 30.39 0.00 0.00 5.65 0.00 28.61 0.00 Eastern Region DodecadK12b 5.82 0.00 1.01 0.49 29.59 28.69 0.00 0.00 8.85 0.00 25.55 0.00 Average 4.65 0.39 0.52 0.23 29.07 30.58 0.09 0.00 7.26 0.40 26.82 0.00 Northeast&Skopje Region DodecadK12b 4.72 0.43 0.00 0.30 26.64 29.16 0.00 0.00 8.92 0.00 29.52 0.31 Northeast&Skopje Region DodecadK12b 4.80 0.87 1.03 0.00 26.79 32.02 0.00 0.00 6.88 0.33 27.28 0.00 Northeast&Skopje Region DodecadK12b 4.20 0.00 0.83 0.06 25.82 32.80 0.00 0.07 7.83 0.41 27.97 0.00 Northeast&Skopje Region DodecadK12b 4.96 0.49 0.89 0.47 27.31 31.04 0.00 0.00 7.38 0.59 26.88 0.00 Northeast&Skopje Region DodecadK12b 4.13 0.34 0.23 0.00 28.59 30.63 0.00 0.00 8.85 0.00 27.24 0.00 Northeast&Skopje Region DodecadK12b 4.17 0.88 1.39 0.00 28.35 30.46 0.00 0.18 5.62 0.00 28.96 0.00 Northeast&Skopje Region DodecadK12b 2.68 0.00 0.78 1.04 26.99 31.24 0.00 0.00 6.98 0.41 29.88 0.00 Northeast&Skopje Region DodecadK12b 4.94 0.00 0.00 0.48 28.74 28.25 0.00 0.00 7.64 0.00 29.95 0.00 Northeast&Skopje Region DodecadK12b 4.27 0.11 1.25 0.00 27.62 31.93 0.30 0.00 7.25 0.28 27.02 0.00 Northeast&Skopje Region DodecadK12b 5.48 0.56 0.13 0.00 27.78 33.65 0.00 0.00 6.51 0.31 25.55 0.00 Northeast&Skopje Region DodecadK12b 5.60 0.31 0.96 0.00 29.50 30.15 0.53 0.00 6.23 0.00 26.51 0.21 Average 4.54 0.36 0.68 0.21 27.65 31.03 0.08 0.02 7.28 0.21 27.89 0.05 AVERAGE_ALL 5.09 0.35 0.96 0.15 28.64 30.02 0.18 0.01 7.23 0.23 27.11 0.01
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