This how ethnic makeup of Bosnia will look if Bosnian "Croats" go back to their old indentity. ( MAP FROM 1991 )
Blue - Serbs
Green - Muslims
https://i.imgur.com/ekAeV4O.png
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This how ethnic makeup of Bosnia will look if Bosnian "Croats" go back to their old indentity. ( MAP FROM 1991 )
Blue - Serbs
Green - Muslims
https://i.imgur.com/ekAeV4O.png
You can see Bulgarian Turks on G25.
And these are BulgariansCode:Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi,17.75,17.11,15.37,21.97,16.46,0.9,0.12,4.61,5.19,0,0,0,0.53
Turk_Kardzhali-East,21.29,16.80,14.74,14.36,18.50,2.29,0.23,1.80,5.40,2.55,1.10,0.66,0.29
Turk_Kardzhali-Mountaineer,15.65,18.37,15.33,17.42,17.18,3.97,0,3.47,7.75,0.47,0,0.4,0
Turk_Kardzhali-South-Plain,14.6,18.22,12.61,16.66,21.62,4.36,0.63,2.34,8.17,0.34,0,0.42,0.04
Turk_Kardzhali-West,16.43,21.01,14.99,15.94,16.79,3.94,3.41,3.15,3.24,0.79,0.31,0,0
Turk_Kazanlik,20.10,16.93,17.68,11.70,22.85,1.50,2.76,1.72,3.09,0.72,0.59,0.37,0
Turk_Razgrad,21.27,22.84,14.09,12.92,19.33,1.03,2.24,2.57,2.24,0.25,0.12,0,1.10
Turk_Sliven-Alevi,20.29,20.76,14.36,19.19,13.55,2.51,2.98,2.70,1.95,1.38,0,0,0.33
Turk_Dobrich,18.15,22.61,15.49,12.65,18.85,4.32,2.72,2.17,0.35,1.73,0,0.59,0.38
Turk_Stara-Zagora,21.7,18.28,14.13,15.26,19.21,4.15,1.27,0.54,4.73,0.58,0,0.14,0
Turk_Targovishte,20.17,18.88,12.05,14.29,22.67,2.61,1.15,3.42,3.38,0.61,0.77,0,0
The difference lies mainly in Turks having higher values in West Asian and East Asian/Siberian components.Code:Bulgaria_average,21.80,24.15,17.82,11.65,19.51,2.40,0.53,0.42,0.77,0.38,0.33,0.11,0.08
Bulgaria_Northcentral,21.30,24.45,17.41,11.88,19.86,2.33,0.65,0.28,0.99,0.37,0.28,0.07,0.14
Bulgaria_Northeastern,22.15,22.37,17.46,13.43,19.44,2.56,0.46,0.32,0.49,0.24,0.29,0.11,0.10
Bulgaria_Northwestern,22.04,26.19,17.58,10.15,19.05,2.31,0.40,0.52,0.70,0.51,0.38,0.07,0.09
Bulgaria_Southcentral,21.22,23.73,18.05,11.66,20.32,2.41,0.57,0.37,0.85,0.21,0.29,0.24,0.04
Bulgaria_Southeastern,20.13,21.81,18.44,13.87,20.44,2.92,0.43,0.30,0.48,0.44,0.47,0.11,0.07
Bulgaria_Southwestern,22.85,24.04,17.87,11.48,18.68,2.26,0.58,0.51,0.85,0.44,0.33,0.06,0.06
how much do you know about the history of these areas? the western Balkans are a very isolated area compared to Moldova. 90%+ people were rural until recently and they plot in a thin elongated shaped cluster, which indicates they are a mix of just 2 groups, eartly Slavs and and local pre-Slavs. everything else is really rare.
i don't see what's controversial in discussing medieval South Slavic profiles.
ok, but then you'll have to accept these averages, and not complain about them on every thread. i admit they are not perfect, because of a lack of samples, but they are best i can do. and i think they serve their purpose fine.
i don't plan to change them much anymore, i have negative experiences with collecting samples, people are very secretive about their results, i ain't got time for convincing them to tell me their ancestry.
Republic of Moldova is the same and that doesn't change the fact that there are visible geographical gradients. The local population here urbanised mostly starting with the middle of the previous centry.
I don't believe that Serbia or Serbs in general are as homogeneous as shown.
You have Serbs like Milenko from the Northern-most point in the country score noticeably below the Serbian average. If such profiles below average exist in Vojvodina, then they should be pretty common in Belgrade and Southern & Eastern Serbia.
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Name N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan Milenko(Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina) 20.84 29.18 19.78 9.81 14.96 2.36 1.31 0.00 0.42 0.83 0.51 0.00 0.00
The distribution of population in Serbia is as follows:
Šumadija and Western Serbia - 2m or 28%
Vojvodina - 1.9m or 26%
Belgrade (mutts from all over the country + minorities, like any other capital) - 1.7 millions or 24%Southern and Eastern Serbia - 1.6m or 22%
It's not controversial, because early Slavs are obviously more Northern compared to modern South Slavs. But it contrasts with how Serbs with Southern profiles are shunned upon, while these are raised on a pedestal. Why do you think that users like Insuperable are not posting their results? It's all related to this toxicity.
I don't need you to change them, because there isn't anything better. I'd rather have you on this, than Castor, Varda or other Balkan psychopaths. I am simply raising awareness about the issues that I have with them.
From which mental hospital did you escape from?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...thnic_1991.png
I am slowly losing my patience with subhuman Castor and will talk to Loki to see what can be done for his permaban.
Agree. We are doing best we can and it's unpleasant job begging people for their K13 when many don't want to give it or simply ignore our asking.
Collecting samples is difficult thing and it's annoying to see when such hard work is questioned. You need to have really thick skin to do it.
That is because native Vojvodina Serbs (those who aren't recent settlers) have their ancestry from southern Serbia, Kosovo and sometimes north Macedonia.
Which is why it isn't strange he plots like that and why somebody like you wouldn't be suited to do such averages, because you simply don't know history of migrations in the area.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6352535
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6292366
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6284917
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6234320
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6315021
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6315083
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6347707
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6347714
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6347737
And there are 1001 more examples, just like there are Arabian nights.
You shouldn't have quoted me about that sample from Lič, Gorski kotar because everything I said was correct.
Croats from that region are indeed among lightest and most German mixed Croats and when months later I got more than 20 samples from there it confirmed what I wrote.
Average from Gorski Kotar has highest North Atlantic score out of all Croatian regions.
Distance to: Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar
0.90166513 Hungarian_Budapest
1.12035709 Hungarian_Transdanubia
1.38086929 Hungarian
2.24352401 Slovenian
2.59322193 Hungarian_Alfold
2.73265439 Croat_Croatia_Central
3.11903831 Croat_Croatia
3.13937892 Croat_Croatia_Zagorje
3.60401165 Croat
3.99988750 Hungarian_Northern
5.03137158 Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
5.13407246 Hungarian_Transylvania
5.57014362 Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
5.63384521 Slovak
5.87407865 Hungarian_Eastern
5.99959165 Croat_B&H_Bosnia_proper
6.09589206 Moldova_North
6.18308984 Hungarian_Csango
6.25168777 Hungarian_Szekely
6.30130939 Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
6.45396777 Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
6.48468966 Croat_B&H
6.59647633 Czech
6.63315159 Austrian
6.64243178 Croat_Croatia_Istria_&_Kvarner
That sample does not represent native of the region, because it comes from Bunjevac settlement, and Bunjevci are Croats from Herzegovina.
History of Bunjevac settlement in Lič, where sample of that Starčević (typical Bunjevac surname) comes from. He is highly atypical for Gorski Kotar, but not atypical for Bunjevci/Herzegovina.
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For the first time Bunjevci (49 families) came to Lič, near Fužine, 1605-1606. year, with the consent given to them 'heavy hearts', according to Julius Cikulin, by the counts of Zrinski. The reason for this is one unsuccessful rebellion from the beginning of the 17th century. Then a group of Bukovica Bunjevci, with the help of Senj border guards, settled on the Zrinski estates in Lič. An oath taken in 1605 is recorded from that time. The counts tried to bring them into the ranks of their serfs, but that did not suit these Krmpoćans who belonged to the martyrs in the area under Turkish rule, so as soldiers they enjoyed special privileges. In Lič he built a church for himself, in the place of which today stands a large cross in memory of her. The Krmpoćan families who inhabited Lič belonged to the Krmpotić group, among which the surnames Skorupović, Mikulić, Butorčić, and others are mentioned, all surnames are known. Krmpotići from the Vojnić group are also mentioned (Matijević, Galešić, Petković, Vojnović, Gudelić, Božić and the most numerous Vojnići). The third group of Krmpotićs belonged to the Sladovićs (surnames Sladović, Lovrić, Mikulić, Horčević and others). All these groups of Bunjevci who found themselves in Lič began to emphasize their Croatian name. Between 1608 and 1614, the Bunjevci from Lič, probably due to high taxes and Zrinski's attempts to turn them into their serfs, began to move towards the sea and islands. Until 1609, part of the Bunjevci, especially the Butorci, led by Perica Butorčić, left Lič, they founded new settlements between Ledenice, Lič and Kapela. The majority of Butoracs settled in the area of Krmpot, where many still live today.
Bunjevac families soon found the area in the Senj hinterland too crowded. Already at the beginning of 1627, there were new movements of Bunjevci-Krmpoćani, which headed again towards Lič. This time, Lič is inhabited by Deranje, Blaževići, Prpići, Tomići, Tomljanovići, Jovanovići (the pronunciation is different than in the Serbian surname Jovanović). Pavelić (who soon left again), Peričići, Šojati, Vukelići and today the most numerous there are Radošević and Starčević. The small Lika field, very fertile and known for growing potatoes, quickly became too crowded for them, so the people of Krmpoć soon started moving towards the sea again. Radošević and Starčević, today the most numerous inhabitants of Lič, are still there. When you listen to Bunjevac from Lič today, you can immediately recognize him by his 'I was alone', their language is of course different from the neighboring inhabitants of Fužine, or newcomers who came to Lič.
Regarding Insuperable, he obviously has mental problems. I begged him more times than I remember for his K13, he never posted it. Not my problem.
Obviously it's him who dislikes his own results, not anyone else.
From my fathers side all the way back to 1816 in the same village in vojvodina, and from my mothers side also vojvodina, and etnic serb, but I becouse my family tree interests me, this summer i went to a dont know how to say realy in english building with history archives, and birth books "maticne knjige" so he is looking in to fiding more of my ancestors
why do you think Vojvodina Serbs should be the most Slavic genetically? Historically, Vojvodina Serbs are a just a mix of Serbs which settled here from all other regions further south. They should represent the average Serb genetically. There are 20 other ethnic groups in Vojvodina, but afaik Serbs mixed the most with Banat Romanians, which would just pull them south. All the other ethnic groups in Vojvodina are catholic and protestant which was a big barrier for intermarrying.
the sample of 43 Lika Serbs i have ranges from 24% - 34% Baltic, average 29. i expect Vojvodina Serbs to have a similar range to this.
based on some individual Serb results from Banija and Mačva, i expect on a larger sample the individual range here will probably be 26-36, and the average 30. These should be the most north shifted Serb regions, not Vojvodina.
on My Montenegrin sample, mostly from Podgorica, which is the southern part of the country, the range is 21-29, average 25.
based on some individual results i think the Serbs from regions like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prizren and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vranje will also have such a range and average.
all other Serbs should be in between.
You low IQ cow, read the title of my post before you write some bullshit. It's wroten "This how ethnic makeup of Bosnia will look if Bosnian "Croats" go back to their old indentity. ( MAP FROM 1991 )"
I used Ethnic map of Bosnia from 1991 and rechanged it you stupid subhuman trash.
This is how I score, when Herzegovina "Croats" are excluded.
Closer to general Serbian than to general Croatian average.
Closer to Serbs from Serbia than to Croats from Croatia.
Closer to southeast Serbian Serbs who are the most Balkan shifted, than to the most regions of Croatia. :coffee:
https://i.imgur.com/84khSq4.png
South banat, mostly i get, mostly i get serbia or diffrent serbia regions, Montenegro,and macedonia, on gedmatch, and vahadou, but I also got Romania, and Bulgaria, and sometimes Bosna and croatia on my top 5, there is talk with in the family on my fathers side that we migrated up to vojvodina, and hopfuly, the man who is looking for my ancestory will find out
So? Croatian general averages are weighted according to population size, and more Croats live in Panonnian parts than in dinaric Alps/south.
I never called you a Croat, I said you look typical Serb and have Serb genetics, but you are close to south Croats as is natural.
Nice! These are my results... I'm incredibly close to Serbs. At this point it's clear that my European ancestry is almost entirely South Slavic. Just like many other Hungarians have mixed with Germans, Croats, etc. On my mother's side it's almost certain that there were Serbs (ethnically) a couple hundred years ago, as I said I also found South Slavic names in the old birth certificates. One of my maternal great grandfather was born in Southeastern Hungary too, next to the Banat region.
Including only Serbian averages:
https://i.imgur.com/kvehXK3.png
Target: Chris
Distance: 1.7939% / 1.79388025 | ADC: 0.25x
63.0 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
18.2 Romania_Moldavia_North
9.0 Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
5.6 Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi
3.0 Turk_Razgrad
0.8 Ukrainian_Belgorod
0.4 She
Bump
Found some new Yugoslav results. Republika Srpska-born father with grandparents from Zadar and Split-Dalmatia, Croatia, mother born in Vojvodina but with blatantly non-Serbian names.
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 30.29
2 Baltic 27.71
3 East_Med 16.99
4 West_Med 14.61
5 West_Asian 7.01
6 Red_Sea 1.72
7 Siberian 1.3
8 Oceanian 0.36
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.97
2 Hungarian 7.34
3 Romanian 7.42
4 Moldavian 9.62
5 Austrian 9.89
6 Bulgarian 10.03
7 Croatian 10.37
8 East_German 11.79
9 West_German 14.19
10 South_Dutch 15.75
11 French 15.94
12 South_Polish 16.08
13 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.47
14 Greek_Thessaly 17.36
15 North_Italian 17.49
16 Ukrainian 17.49
17 North_German 18.76
18 Tuscan 19.32
19 Portuguese 19.56
20 Polish 19.88
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.5% Hungarian + 17.5% Italian_Jewish @ 2.51
2 79% Hungarian + 21% Ashkenazi @ 2.59
3 82.9% Hungarian + 17.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.78
4 82.9% Hungarian + 17.1% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.89
5 84.4% Hungarian + 15.6% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.99
6 77.8% Hungarian + 22.2% West_Sicilian @ 3.04
7 54.3% Tuscan + 45.7% Belorussian @ 3.1
8 89.5% Serbian + 10.5% Southeast_English @ 3.13
9 89.7% Serbian + 10.3% Danish @ 3.17
10 84.7% Hungarian + 15.3% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.18
11 90.1% Serbian + 9.9% North_Dutch @ 3.21
12 90.6% Serbian + 9.4% Norwegian @ 3.21
13 80.9% Hungarian + 19.1% South_Italian @ 3.22
14 90.6% Serbian + 9.4% Orcadian @ 3.23
15 72.1% Hungarian + 27.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.24
16 79.1% Hungarian + 20.9% East_Sicilian @ 3.25
17 57.7% Tuscan + 42.3% Estonian @ 3.25
18 90.4% Serbian + 9.6% Swedish @ 3.26
19 89.1% Serbian + 10.9% North_German @ 3.26
20 85.9% Serbian + 14.1% West_German @ 3.26
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 24.06
2 Baltic 21.29
3 Atlantic 15.32
4 East_Med 13.35
5 West_Med 10.77
6 Eastern_Euro 7.44
7 West_Asian 5.24
8 Red_Sea 1.87
9 Siberian 0.6
10 Oceanian 0.07
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 7.46
2 Serbian 9.05
3 Moldavian 10.15
4 Romanian 10.3
5 Croatian 10.51
6 Austrian 10.78
7 East_German 12.15
8 Bulgarian 12.58
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.34
10 South_Polish 14.39
11 Ukrainian 14.56
12 West_German 15.16
13 South_Dutch 16.48
14 French 16.75
15 Polish 16.94
16 Greek_Thessaly 17.12
17 Southwest_Finnish 17.81
18 North_German 17.95
19 Finnish 18.33
20 Russian_Smolensk 18.38
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.3% Hungarian + 12.7% Libyan_Jewish @ 5.59
2 76.6% Hungarian + 23.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.6
3 89.8% Hungarian + 10.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 5.65
4 89.6% Hungarian + 10.4% Samaritan @ 5.66
5 90% Hungarian + 10% Lebanese_Christian @ 5.7
6 86.2% Hungarian + 13.8% Italian_Jewish @ 5.74
7 91.7% Hungarian + 8.3% Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.74
8 84.8% Hungarian + 15.2% South_Italian @ 5.77
9 86.9% Hungarian + 13.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.78
10 88% Hungarian + 12% Tunisian_Jewish @ 5.8
11 89.9% Hungarian + 10.1% Palestinian @ 5.82
12 88.8% Hungarian + 11.2% Cyprian @ 5.83
13 83.8% Hungarian + 16.2% East_Sicilian @ 5.88
14 83.5% Hungarian + 16.5% Central_Greek @ 5.92
15 87.3% Hungarian + 12.7% Sephardic_Jewish @ 5.94
16 90% Hungarian + 10% Jordanian @ 5.97
17 83.7% Hungarian + 16.3% Ashkenazi @ 6.02
18 89.7% Hungarian + 10.3% Lebanese_Muslim @ 6.03
19 89.9% Hungarian + 10.1% Syrian @ 6.07
20 90.7% Hungarian + 9.3% Egyptian @ 6.1
That didn't stop a lot of declaratively unmixed Romanians from Transylvania to look like they mixed with Hungarians, when compared to those in Muntenia. I don't see why it would be any different in Serbia. But if you are saying that Vojvodina received people from the South, then I suppose that would offset this Hungarian influence.
By the way, how can I find out if these two components, Balkan Turks (Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi, Turk_Razgrad) represent West Asian or ,,regular'' Balkan ancestry here? I know they also have some East Asian admixture hidden in them. Are there people who get similar results on K13? Serbians, Croats, Romanians, Moldovans, and so on?
Target: Chris
Distance: 1.7939% / 1.79388025 | ADC: 0.25x
63.0 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
18.2 Romania_Moldavia_North
9.0 Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
5.6 Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi
3.0 Turk_Razgrad
0.8 Ukrainian_Belgorod
0.4 She
https://i.imgur.com/1btlLdQ.png
Closer to southeastern Serbs than to northwestern Croats. :D
I was just saying the original Serb element in Vojvodina surely weren't the Serbs with the most Early Slav/Early Serb (and least Vlach) influence, like some would assume (just because it's geographically the northernmost region.)
The early history of Serbs in Vojvodina is very complicated, and not researched enough, the first mentions go back to the 12th century.
but i think it's safe to say most of the Serbs in Vojvodina originate from the 2 great migrations from regions further south in the 17th and 18th centuries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_...s_of_the_Serbs
some Hungarian influence which entered the Serbian gene pool and can't be separetd from it anymore - it's possible.
but i would need much more samples to see that. i currently have only 8 Vojvodina Serbs.
Serbian woman. Her father is native of Vojvodina (Bačka), and he mother is from Kokori near Prnjavor in Bosnia (Republika Srpska).
North_Atlantic 27.36
Baltic 32.7
West_Med 15.97
West_Asian 6.47
East_Med 12.02
Red_Sea 2.68
South_Asian 0
East_Asian 0
Siberian 2.11
Amerindian 0.39
Oceanian 0.3
Northeast_African 0
Sub-Saharan 0
1 Moldavian 0.529
2 Croatian 0.533
3 Hungarian 0.674
4 Serbian 0.727
5 Austrian 1.130
6 Romanian 1.180
7 East_German 1.192
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 1.219
Original post https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...0891#msg130891
These two indeed have Turkic admixture. South Slavs dont have that.
Target: Turk_Razgrad
Distance: 2.2109% / 2.21090479 | ADC: 0.25x
64.0 Bulgarian
21.8 Romanian
7.6 Turkmen
3.4 Uygur
2.6 La_Brana-1
0.4 Austroasiatic_Ho
0.2 Yoruban
Target: Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi
Distance: 2.4581% / 2.45811299 | ADC: 0.25x
43.6 Bulgarian
30.8 Nogay
10.8 Balkar
9.4 North_Italian
5.4 Italian_Abruzzo