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Wow. Balkan is in my blood xdQuote:
Originally Posted by TheMaestro
This is looking great!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
Thus far, this seems to be a very good reference for the Hungarians.
There are also more sources to be graphed here.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...b-for-plotting!
Not a problem; it is read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris596
I found your results very interesting, but I would highly suggest trusting how you plot on a graph along with the rest of us as well as GEDmatch (THE BEST calculator resources) for your ethnic and trace population references rather than what the company provides you.
For example, I score Native American (I have zero Native American ancestors), Siberian (I am not Siberian), and Anatolian Turkish (again, no Anatolian Turkish ancestry) from the company tests.
I score Amerindian on GEDmatch too, but this is simply the results of the mixing in Siberia of the proto-Magyars.
Your PuntDNAL K13 is very interesting and clearly explains the questions about your phonotype. Your Y-DNA was found in Hungarian graves. We will need to see if they will every post more about downstreams and as more graves are discovered, we will compare them as well with our own DNA results.
It is obvious that you could adopt the "Turkic" tag without question.
I would very, very much like to see your results for the Turkic K11 tests.
Compare your K13 results with my own below. I have highlighted areas of interest for us regarding your results. I look forward to your thoughts.
PuntDNAL K13
Chris
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 40.42
2 SW_Europe 33.96
3 West_Asia 15.55
4 SW_Asia 5.57
5 NE_Asia 1.84
6 South_Africa 1.34
7 SE_Asia 1.12
8 Oceania 0.18
9 East_Africa 0.03
Turul Karom
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 46.03
2 SW_Europe 32.24
3 West_Asia 11.06
4 SW_Asia 5.41
5 NE_Asia 1.62
6 East_Africa 1.34
7 Siberia 0.88
8 South_Asia 0.73
9 Americas 0.58
10 SE_Asia 0.12
Chris
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.2% English + 20.8% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.53
2 77.7% English + 22.3% Turkish @ 2.55
3 80.7% English + 19.3% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 2.61
4 75.3% Orcadian + 24.7% Turkish @ 2.64
5 76.9% Orcadian + 23.1% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.67
6 74.9% Irish + 25.1% Turkish @ 2.68
7 77.1% English + 22.9% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.69
8 76.5% Irish + 23.5% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.71
9 77.8% Belgian + 22.2% Kumyk @ 2.73
10 76.5% Scottish + 23.5% Turkish @ 2.79
11 78.1% Scottish + 21.9% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.84
12 88.9% Croatian + 11.1% Nogay @ 2.84
13 75.8% Utahn_European + 24.2% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.85
14 74.2% Utahn_European + 25.8% Turkish @ 2.88
15 96.6% Bosnian + 3.4% Lahu @ 2.89
16 81% Belgian + 19% Dagestan_Azeri @ 2.89
17 96.7% Bosnian + 3.3% Miaozu @ 2.89
18 96.6% Bosnian + 3.4% Vietnamese @ 2.9
19 96.7% Bosnian + 3.3% Dai @ 2.9
20 96.9% Bosnian + 3.1% She @ 2.92
Turul Karom
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.4% Slovene + 2.6% Naxi @ 1.67
2 97.5% Slovene + 2.5% Han_North_China @ 1.67
3 97.6% Slovene + 2.4% Korean @ 1.67
4 97.6% Slovene + 2.4% Japanese @ 1.67
5 97.4% Slovene + 2.6% Xibo @ 1.7
6 97.6% Slovene + 2.4% Han_South_China @ 1.74
7 97.6% Slovene + 2.4% She @ 1.76
8 97.5% Slovene + 2.5% Miaozu @ 1.76
9 97.4% Slovene + 2.6% Daur @ 1.77
10 97.3% Slovene + 2.7% Burmese @ 1.79
11 97.5% Slovene + 2.5% Oroqen @ 1.82
12 97.5% Slovene + 2.5% Lahu @ 1.83
13 97.6% Slovene + 2.4% Vietnamese @ 1.91
14 97.3% Slovene + 2.7% Mongolian @ 1.94
15 97.7% Slovene + 2.3% Dai @ 1.96
16 97.4% Slovene + 2.6% Thai @ 1.98
17 97.2% Slovene + 2.8% Altaian @ 2.06
18 97.6% Slovene + 2.4% Tuvinian @ 2.07
19 97.7% Slovene + 2.3% Cambodian @ 2.12
20 86.2% Utahn_European + 13.8% Nogay @ 2.16
Thank you my friend. Do you think the K36 results are close to reality? Another user pointed out that, despite not getting much Siberian, I score around 3% proper East Asian. And I also score more than 1% Southeast Asian in almost every test. That could explain something. I'll try to ask someone to try the Turkic K11 test for me (I cannot find it).Quote:
Originally Posted by Turul Karom
And it's also weird that it's not shown on Myheritage, even in the additional regions. Not even 0.1% :confused:
Logically, everyone receives only half of each parent's DNA, and those segments are also cut randomly. Therefore, it's not surprising that you are not a perfect average. Most people are like this, including me and most of the results that I've seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
[QUOTE = Chris596; 6675410] Благодаря ти приятелю. Смятате ли, че резултатите от K36 са близки до реалността? Друг потребител посочи, че въпреки че не получавам много сибирци, отбелязвам около 3% правилна източноазиатска . И също така оценявам повече от 1% в Югоизточна Азия в почти всеки тест. Това би могло да обясни нещо. Ще се опитам да помоля някой да опита теста на Тюркски K11 за мен (не мога да го намеря).
И също е странно, че не се показва в Myheritage, дори в допълнителните региони. Дори не 0.1% :confused:[/ ЦИТОВЕ]
It's here https://www.yourdnaportal.com/yourgeneticancestry
HUGE Update!
I contacted one of my Hungarian matches on Myheritage. Turns out I'm really related to him. My great grandma was the sister of his great grandfather. He also sent me a lot of birth certificates and marriage contracts, I'm related to many people from there. It goes back all the way to 1822. However, I find it quite difficult to read it.
I found names like: Vasilovic, Barovaya, Zelenka, and Zikovic (I suppose it was Džiković in its original form)
Mistery solved! :)
It also says that most of them were farmers. Some with Hungarian names were smallholders.
Also, really interesting that this certain relative of mine got 3,8% Finnish and 2,5% Central-Asian results on Myheritage. He also got some Western-European (because he has German and Dutch ancestors as well, who came to Hungary from the Teutonic Order!). Really, really interesting!
Is he not on Gedmatch? I find it strange that people on MyHeritage who are interested in genealogy often seem to be unaware of Gedmatch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris596
Unfortunately no, I don't think he knows about these things. But he has a lot of information about our family tree and general family history, ancestors, more than anyone in my family! But now I know that I had true South Slavic ancestors in my family. He is my first match on Myheritage, I can't find him anywhere else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Leto
Barovaya isn't originally a Russian/Belarusian name? On Myheritage, one of my top matches is also a Russian (Санкт-Петербург, Россия), we share 0,6% of our DNA.
Sounds rather Ukrainian to me. But of course a lot of people with Ukrainian names and roots live in Russia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris596
By the way, post your strongest Russian match from Gedmatch. At least Eu K13 and Dodecad components :)
You mean like this?
Eurogenes K13 Admixture Proportions
Pavel S.
Population
North_Atlantic 19.03 Pct
Baltic 46.79 Pct
West_Med 12.92 Pct
West_Asian 7.38 Pct
East_Med 5.99 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.76 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 3.71 Pct
Amerindian 0.80 Pct
Oceanian 0.32 Pct
Northeast_African 0.41 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.89 Pct
Chris J.
Population
North_Atlantic 24.09 Pct
Baltic 30.12 Pct
West_Med 16.39 Pct
West_Asian 9.84 Pct
East_Med 17.62 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.64 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan
Dodecad V3 Admixture Proportions
Pavel S.
Population
East_European 33.36 Pct
West_European 37.85 Pct
Mediterranean 13.85 Pct
Neo_African 0.26 Pct
West_Asian 8.65 Pct
South_Asian 1.64 Pct
Northeast_Asian 3.41 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 0.41 Pct
Northwest_African 0.59 Pct
Palaeo_African -
Chris J.
Population
East_European 21.35 Pct
West_European 30.16 Pct
Mediterranean 28.10 Pct
Neo_African 0.25 Pct
West_Asian 15.68 Pct
South_Asian -
Northeast_Asian 0.05 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.22 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.14 Pct
Northwest_African -
Palaeo_African -
No, I didn't want to compare him with you. By the way, I use Dodecad K12b, not V3.
Thanks anyway ;)
His North Atlantic is very low, strange. The Russian average is like 24-25%. And the West Med is quite high, almost 13%.
My best fit on Vahaduo:
Target: Chris596
Distance: 2.7587% / 2.75868251 | ADC: 0.25x
61.6 Serb_Serbia_South&East
35.0 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
3.4 Ukrainian_Belgorod
I think it speaks for itself. Thanks again Mr.G for sending me the results.
https://forebears.io/surnames/barovoyQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris596
I think it should be spelled Borovoy (Боровой). That's an unstressed vowel in Russian which is pronounced more like "ah" than "oh".
Chris,Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris596
to address the K11 calculator for you, you can find it online here:
https://www.yourdnaportal.com/yourgeneticancestry
You can upload DNA and run it there rather than download the files and run the calculator yourself. I would love to compare results.
Is the Turkic K11 useful for someone like me? I can never get an actual figure for what I have (Eurogenes gives me >1% Siberian, PuntDNAL gives me like 3%) and I have a couple percent Central Asian on 23andMe as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Turul Karom
Yes, it is. I have seen Persian results on Anthrogencia of a compiled K11 Turkic calculator score of members. I don't see how you might not have Turkic %, given the region is very close to Turkic traffic through the ages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
I got about 4% Total (2.55 Turkic, the rest Northeast Asian) so I'd say its fairly accurate. Not sure if its over reporting or not, just considering all of my other tests, but cool nonethelessQuote:
Originally Posted by Turul Karom
Send me your dodecadk12b coordinates, i'll test how much Turkic % you have with a model I created (for Iranians)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
# Population PercentQuote:
Originally Posted by Kyp Snow
1 Caucasus 35.41
2 Gedrosia 27.49
3 Southwest_Asian 13.75
4 Atlantic_Med 8.12
5 South_Asian 5.04
6 North_European 4.5
7 Northwest_African 3.36
8 Siberian 1.68
9 East_African 0.64
# Population PercentQuote:
Originally Posted by Kyp Snow
1 Caucasus 35.41
2 Gedrosia 27.49
3 Southwest_Asian 13.75
4 Atlantic_Med 8.12
5 South_Asian 5.04
6 North_European 4.5
7 Northwest_African 3.36
8 Siberian 1.68
9 East_African 0.64
Kyrgyzs and Uyghurs are representative of 100% Turkic in the calculator, just so you know who you are comparing against.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
Target: Dr_Maul
3.2 Turkic
Ottoman/Safavid era:
Target: Dr_Maul
5.4 Torkoman
x0.25
78.6 Iranian
8.4 Levantine
7.8 Torkoman
3.8 Indian
1.4 Arab
What calculator is that? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp Snow
Just a model I made for funQuote:
Originally Posted by Impaler
In light of the fact that the great majority of surnames in your family tree are Magyar, what your results say to me is that not all Hungarians have Germanic admixture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris596
And that there is a decent gradient in Hungarians, with some who can be modeled as West Slavic/Germanic and others who are more heavily Balkanic, like you - and particularily, as we know, the Szekelers.
I wouldn't take them too seriously. It just shows that your Hungarian mixture is more similar to the current Serb rather than Hungarian average reference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris596
Today I contacted my other closest match on Myheritage, who is possibly a Russian, but I'm not so sure. We share 43.3 cM of DNA (0.7%)
Forebears tells me this about his family name:
Approximately 1,132 people bear this surname
MOST PREVALENT IN:
Russia
HIGHEST DENSITY IN:
Russia
Place: Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan
Can you post your MDLP K33 from yourDNAportal? Especially Central Asian + Turkic + Paleo Siberian + Siberian + East Asian.
I'm going to post it today if everything goes well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Impaler
Edit: I'm doing it right now, should I make another thread about it?
You don't have to open a thread for every calculator. You can post it here. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris596
Well, guess what, all 0's lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Impaler
I got 1.96% Finno Ugric thou... But I bet most Hungarians also get much more than this.
And what a surprise :rolleyes: my largest percentage is Balkan and East European: 32.98% in total.
That is very interesting. :) You are very close to Serbs, that's for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris596
I score here:
Central Asian 3.11%
Paleo Siberian 0.44%
Southeast Asian 0.05%
Turkic 2.14%
=5.74%
Central Asian could also mean a mix like the Kazakhs, who are only half East Asian. We don't know what kind of Central Asian was used here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Impaler
It seems that it's Iranic or something. Check this out:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Russian, southern:
42.95% Easteuropean
40.02% Westeuropean
6.13% Finnougric
6.13% Baltic
1.28% Southeuropean
1.28% Balkan
1.15% Centraleuropean
0.53% Westasian
0.11% Caucasian
0.11% Neareast
0.11% Polinesian
0.10% Australian
0.05% Turkic
0.02% British
0.01% Papuan
Kurd from Iran:
0.00% African_archaic
0.00% Altaic
0.00% Amerindian
0.00% Australian
0.00% Austroasiatic
0.00% Austronesian
0.00% Balkan
0.00% Baltic
0.00% British
15.28% Caucasian
21.84% Centralasian
0.00% Centraleuropean
0.00% Dravidian
0.00% Eastasian
0.00% Easteuropean
0.00% Finnougric
0.52% Indian
19.10% Neareast
0.01% Northafrican
0.00% Paleosiberian
0.00% Papuan
0.00% Polinesian
0.00% Samoedic
0.00% Scandinavian
0.00% Siberian
0.00% Sinotibetan
0.00% Southeastasian
7.41% Southeuropean
0.00% Sunsaharian
0.00% Turkic
0.00% Westafrican
35.71% Westasian
0.12% Westeuropean
Update
I got an answer from that Russian person (actually from his daughter, he doesn't speak English). She said we might be really related, because they know very little about their family history. She also told me that they have roots from Kazakhstan as well. This is getting more and more complicated.
Is he a full Russian? Where in Russia are they from? Please ask her about Gedmatch too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris596