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This individual is, although still having a lot of east eurasian, obviously mixed, maybe with a Westasian-Iranic. Look at his components, low Gedrosia and high SW-Asia, which wouldnt exist if he would be mixed with a Central Asian Iranic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
Interesting Iranian who caught my eye from Y-DNA (N-L708). Despite 5% Asiatic he is closer to Kurds and Persians
Population
Gedrosia 24.92 Pct
Siberian 2.87 Pct
Northwest_African 2.66 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.45 Pct
North_European 8.98 Pct
South_Asian 3.55 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 14.33 Pct
East_Asian 2.65 Pct
Caucasus 34.6 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Nima
5.51730913 Iranian_Fars
6.63632428 Yazidi
6.63978162 Kurd_Sorani
6.68028443 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.15386609 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.24626110 Iraq_Turkmen
7.51291555 Azerbaijani
7.59082999 Iran_Khorasan
7.59132400 Kurd_Adygea
8.13324044 Lur_Iran
8.49209633 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.53438340 Iranian
9.12105257 Zaza
9.16588785 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.81582396 Turk_Southeast
10.14474741 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.67414237 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.21403701 Iran_Mazandaran
12.73017675 Turk_South
13.38434533 Iran_Arab
13.39898504 Turkmen_TM
13.41878161 Turk_Central_East
13.75680559 Udi_Azerbaijan
14.42646180 Turk_Central_West
14.52839289 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
Target: Nima
Distance: 2.1311% / 2.13109489 | R4P
69.0 Kurd_Adygea
19.9 Tajik_Lowland
8.3 Saudi
2.8 Shor
Afghan (a recent kit)
Gedrosia 38.02 Pct
Siberian 3.24 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.45 Pct
Atlantic_Med 2.71 Pct
North_European 16.13 Pct
South_Asian 17.43 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.44 Pct
East_Asian 0.07 Pct
Caucasus 19.51 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Elham
3.07865230 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
3.79117396 Pashtun_Kandahar
5.77740426 Pashtun_Tarkalani
5.84321829 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
6.49499808 Kho
7.25276499 Nuristani
7.40403268 Kalash
8.02357152 Pashtun_Yusafzai
8.54735047 Tajik_Kabul
10.37503735 Pamiri_Ishkashim
Target: Elham
Distance: 1.2831% / 1.28306816 | ADC: 0.25x RC
44.9 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
36.3 Nuristani
17.1 Yagnobi
1.7 Dargin
Target: Elham
Distance: 1.8577% / 1.85768064 | ADC: 0.5x RC
73.9 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
14.9 Pamiri_Rushan
11.2 Kalash
Distance to: Elham
2.01918839 14.20% Pamiri_Rushan + 85.80% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
2.02041883 18.80% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 81.20% Kalash
2.10584681 14.20% Pamiri_Shughnan + 85.80% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
2.11346258 3.60% Russian_Arkhangelsk + 96.40% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
2.12329148 3.80% Russian_Ural + 96.20% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
2.12613731 4.00% Komi + 96.00% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
2.13409709 3.60% Russian_Kostroma + 96.40% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
2.13788417 17.80% Azerbaijani + 82.20% Kalash
2.13948731 96.60% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa + 3.40% Veps
2.14137505 3.20% Finnish_East + 96.80% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
Maybe Qashqai? Could you pm me his Kitnumber?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
doneQuote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
I think just a regular result from Teheran with some Azerbaijani ancestryQuote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
Turk from Samsun:
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Gedrosia: 16.04
Siberian: 1.79
NW_African: 0.89
SE_Asian: 1.03
Atlantic_Med: 16.15
North_European: 7.68
South_Asia: 0.86
East_African: 0.12
SW_Asian: 12.15
East_Asian: 5.12
Caucasus: 38.02
SSA: 0.26
Distance to: Turk_Samsun
5.17354811 Turk_Central_West
5.40970424 Turk_Central_East
6.53683410 Turk_Southeast
6.70007463 Turk_South
7.00636853 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.14566302 Turk_West_BlackSea
7.89927212 Turk_Southwest
8.95872201 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.04126650 Azerbaijani
10.25346283 Turk_Northwest
10.35684315 Turk_Cyprus
10.42814461 Turk_East
10.47285061 Azerbaijani_Iran
12.16001645 Nusayri_Turkey
12.33141111 Greek_Kos
12.40860186 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.48652474 Greek_Cappadocia
12.55470430 Greek_Rhodes
12.64566329 Zaza
12.66321049 Iraq_Turkmen
12.85175474 Lebanese_Muslim
12.88174289 Udi_Azerbaijan
13.13314128 Greek_Crete
13.27457721 Iraqi_Baghdad
13.84072614 Greek_Cypriot
Target: Turk_Samsun
Distance: 2.8907% / 2.89070625 | ADC: 0.5x RC
46.4 Turk_Southeast
42.3 Turk_Central_East
8.9 Sardinian
2.4 Greek_Cypriot
From Teheran, Iran (I think with Kurdish ancestry, but I'm not sure):
Gedrosia: 23.78
Siberian: 2.39
NW_African: 0.00
SE_Asian: 0.94
Atlantic_Med: 9.47
North_European: 8.36
South_Asia: 3.42
East_African: 0.61
SW_Asian: 13.79
East_Asian: 0.73
Caucasus: 36.41
SSA: 0.10
Distance to: meysam
4.21733328 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.49202627 Yazidi
4.55487651 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.00557689 Kurd_Sorani
5.05072272 Azerbaijani
5.49881805 Iraq_Turkmen
5.62739727 Iran_Central
5.75771656 Kurd_Adygea
6.19589380 Zaza
6.50089225 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.90333253 Iranian_Fars
6.93602912 Turk_Southeast
7.10736238 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.47128503 Lur_Iran
7.96028894 Iranian
9.02615090 Iran_C_East
9.14728375 Iran_Khorasan
9.21890449 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.18436547 Iraqi_Baghdad
10.49031935 Turk_Central_East
10.75445954 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.79367871 Turk_South
11.45816303 Turk_East
11.79040712 Turk_Central_West
12.29247331 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
Target: meysam
Distance: 1.5528% / 1.55280405 | ADC: 0.5x RC
29.6 Kurd_Kurmanji
21.6 Iran_C_East
17.7 Iraq_Turkmen
15.6 Turk_Southeast
11.5 Yazidi
4.0 French_Northeast
Azerbaijani:
Gedrosia 22.74 Pct
Siberian 2.38 Pct
Northwest_African 0.85 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 8.2 Pct
North_European 11.73 Pct
South_Asian 1.38 Pct
East_African 0.32 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.03 Pct
East_Asian 0.25 Pct
Caucasus 39.12 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Az
4.89709097 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.06096829 Azerbaijani
5.28228170 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.74517189 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
5.84171208 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.87446168 Zaza
6.33344298 Kurd_Adygea
6.81339856 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.81703015 Yazidi
7.24653020 Kurd_Sorani
7.25882222 Turk_Southeast
7.93037200 Iraq_Turkmen
8.28545714 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.18182988 Iranian
9.51829817 Turk_Central_East
9.59102184 Turk_East
9.92322024 Lur_Iran
10.22180512 Turk_South
10.30847224 Iranian_Fars
11.15384687 Turk_Central_West
11.34828181 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
11.36618230 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.77499045 Iran_Khorasan
12.15744628 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.50639836 Kumyk
Another one:
Gedrosia 20.67 Pct
Siberian 3.4 Pct
Northwest_African 0.77 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 10.31 Pct
North_European 7.55 Pct
South_Asian 2.18 Pct
East_African 0.19 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.92 Pct
East_Asian 1.51 Pct
Caucasus 39.19 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.31 Pct
Distance to: AZ
3.67734959 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.68757373 Azerbaijani
3.70929913 Turk_Southeast
3.87564188 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.58300120 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.26627003 Iraq_Turkmen
5.32004699 Zaza
6.47187763 Kurd_Sorani
6.60117414 Yazidi
6.63740160 Kurd_Adygea
6.68327764 Turk_Central_East
7.49613234 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.56303511 Turk_East
7.87346810 Turk_South
8.16770470 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.79344642 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.82492493 Turk_Central_West
8.92318889 Iraqi_Baghdad
9.36042200 Lur_Iran
9.82143574 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.00047999 Iranian
10.64002820 Iranian_Fars
11.24097416 Azeri_Jew
11.34555420 Mandean
11.40110521 Turk_West_BlackSea
I think the Azerbaijani and Azerbaijani_Iran references need an update, Leto is right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
At least the Republic average, which is based on 3-5 results or something.
Didn't know that. Yeah, makes sense to update.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
Based on what I have seen so far, I expected this person's first match to be Azerbaijani, not Iranian Azeri.
Could be because of the high Southwest_Asian. The Iranian reference is build on Azerbaijanis from Tabriz who score higher SW_Asian than Azerbaijanis from Ardabil for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
Maybe the Iranian reference shouldn't be Tabriz exclusive aswell.
Yeah, most probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
Republic Azerbaijanis score less SW. Especially if NE is higher than say 10, SW gets even lower. Not this time though.
Azerbaijani name and last name, but probably quarter Russian:
Gedrosia 19.62 Pct
Siberian 1.15 Pct
Northwest_African 1.22 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 11.88 Pct
North_European 20.43 Pct
South_Asian 0.14 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.19 Pct
East_Asian 3.26 Pct
Caucasus 33.11 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Hashimov
10.51075164 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
10.52526484 Kumyk
11.22643309 Turk_Northwest
11.30237143 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.66443312 Turk_West_BlackSea
12.02933498 Kabardin
12.08218523 Turk_Southwest
12.36112050 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
12.76405500 Turk_Central_West
12.83476529 Lezgin
13.17709756 Turk_South
13.36908748 Tabasaran
13.50727952 Azerbaijani
13.92633836 Kaitag_Dagestan
13.97248009 Chechen
14.03699398 Lak
14.14644478 Turk_Southeast
14.18561595 Abazin
14.21334584 Avar
14.30197189 Turk_Central_East
14.55027148 Ingush
14.66948534 Azerbaijani_Turkey
14.80252006 Balkar
14.87180890 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
14.98032710 Circassian
Distance to: Hashimov
3.17934598 74.40% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 25.60% HUN_Szekely
3.21612587 80.60% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 19.40% German
3.32055239 81.00% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 19.00% German_Northwest
3.32624249 82.00% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 18.00% Swedish
3.35470921 82.00% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 18.00% Danish
3.35530549 28.40% Sorb_Lusatia + 71.60% Talysh_Azerbaijan
3.35870337 78.20% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 21.80% Slovenian
3.38489082 76.60% Azerbaijani_Iran + 23.40% PL_Mazovia
3.39709638 27.20% PL_Warmia-Masuria + 72.80% Talysh_Azerbaijan
3.40565897 79.80% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 20.20% Czech
3.42076326 76.80% Azerbaijani_Iran + 23.20% Russian_Smolensk
3.42502819 76.00% Azerbaijani_Iran + 24.00% Russian_Oryol
3.42591695 30.20% Slovak + 69.80% Talysh_Azerbaijan
3.43709604 80.40% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 19.60% Dutch
3.44197284 77.00% Azerbaijani_Iran + 23.00% PL_Warmia-Masuria
3.44778189 27.60% Polish_mixed + 72.40% Talysh_Azerbaijan
3.45365728 81.80% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 18.20% Icelandic
3.46322708 76.80% Azerbaijani_Iran + 23.20% Belorussian
3.46613609 75.80% Azerbaijani_Iran + 24.20% Sorb_Lusatia
3.47681254 77.40% Azerbaijani_Iran + 22.60% Belarus_Minsk
3.48654316 79.60% Azerbaijani_Iran + 20.40% Lithuanian
3.48691180 76.60% Azerbaijani_Iran + 23.40% Polish_mixed
3.49853143 27.60% Mordovian + 72.40% Zaza
3.50055257 76.00% Azerbaijani_Iran + 24.00% Russian_Kursk
3.50358313 73.20% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 26.80% MD_Center
Azerbaijani:
Gedrosia 22.59 Pct
Siberian 0.68 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.18 Pct
North_European 12.72 Pct
South_Asian 2.1 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.43 Pct
East_Asian 1.57 Pct
Caucasus 43.72 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Narmin
5.74665990 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.81017621 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.81560709 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.36920620 Zaza
7.81005122 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.83026181 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.25261777 Azerbaijani
8.31703072 Kurd_Adygea
8.42896198 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.96131687 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
9.20057607 Turk_East
9.88546913 Ingush
9.98469829 Yazidi
10.11521132 Iranian
10.11676332 Kurd_Sorani
10.16168785 Adyghe
10.83484195 Turk_Southeast
11.02097546 Iraq_Turkmen
11.09746367 Kumyk
11.47187866 Ossetian
11.58668633 Turk_Ahiska
11.63015907 Karachay
11.75951955 Turk_Central_East
11.77513482 Lur_Iran
11.84598244 Circassian
Azerbaijani name, probably with some mixed ancestry:
Gedrosia 17.58 Pct
Siberian 1.54 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.59 Pct
Atlantic_Med 11.37 Pct
North_European 15.98 Pct
South_Asian 2.36 Pct
East_African 0.2 Pct
Southwest_Asian 10.03 Pct
East_Asian 1.66 Pct
Caucasus 37.44 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.26 Pct
Distance to: Jafarova
7.61144533 Turk_West_BlackSea
7.95814049 Turk_Central_West
8.13075027 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.44458406 Turk_South
8.46418927 Turk_Central_East
8.57999417 Azerbaijani
8.86314842 Turk_Southeast
9.08964796 Turk_Southwest
9.17138485 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.64738825 Turk_Northwest
9.69590635 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.71332590 Kumyk
9.76741522 Kabardin
10.17462530 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.97238351 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
11.15670202 Abazin
11.58445510 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
12.02054491 Circassian
12.19297339 Turk_East
12.35226700 Ingush
12.48256384 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.53485540 Karachay
12.58792676 Balkar
12.68863665 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.72612667 Adyghe
Distance to: Jafarova
2.28866779 34.80% Pomak_Greece + 65.20% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.32376350 72.80% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 27.20% Greek_Peloponnese
2.39184464 72.80% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 27.20% Greek_Athens
2.47303076 85.60% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 14.40% PL_Mazovia
2.49344453 85.20% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 14.80% Ukrainian
2.49864278 85.40% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 14.60% Russian_Voronezh
2.50801311 85.80% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 14.20% Belorussian
2.52547594 61.60% Talysh_Azerbaijan + 38.40% Turk_Deliorman
2.56152884 83.40% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 16.60% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.56513078 86.00% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 14.00% Russian_Smolensk
2.56995183 70.40% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 29.60% Greek_Foca
2.57321673 72.60% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 27.40% Greek_Central
2.57354097 85.80% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 14.20% Polish_mixed
2.57719220 32.80% Pomak_Bulgaria + 67.20% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.58188635 86.20% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 13.80% Belarus_Minsk
2.60684585 54.80% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain + 45.20% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.60696269 81.20% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 18.80% Bosnian
2.60920122 87.60% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 12.40% Lithuanian
2.61747582 22.20% Tatar_Mishar + 77.80% Udi_Azerbaijan
2.62413966 85.40% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 14.60% Russian_Kursk
2.63181694 83.60% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 16.40% Hungarians
2.63796223 80.80% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 19.20% MD_North
2.64570939 85.40% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 14.60% Russian_Oryol
2.64631402 74.80% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 25.20% Greek_Thessaloniki
2.69757024 81.80% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 18.20% Croat
Why all of your Azerbaijani results have unusually low Mongoloid? :) Most of those shared above look like mixed results rather than full Azerbaijani
They are probably assimilated Iranic/Udi, maybe from SE-coastal or Absheron area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Javid
There is no such thing as full (or pure) Azerbaijani, everyone is mixed one way or another. As for the results, I don't know. I shared what I found, and what was not already posted by Kyp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Javid
The one I shared in #374 has 5% EA, you might like that.
There is a difference between people with a foreign grandparent and those without one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
Post your own results by the way.
Where it was clear that there was a foreign parent I have mentioned. Those results are clearly not of fully local or even regional origin. But this is not decided by having less EA, and that was my gripe. Low mongoloid does not mean not Azerbaijani.
I can't post my own results, because they aren't ready yet. Still processing.
Azerbaijani:
Gedrosia 21.17 Pct
Siberian 2.75 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 10.53 Pct
North_European 10.49 Pct
South_Asian 2.54 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.72 Pct
East_Asian 3.55 Pct
Caucasus 36.61 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.62 Pct
Distance to: Nadjafov
2.88624323 Azerbaijani
4.55540338 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.56451531 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.64677307 Turk_Southeast
6.85592445 Turk_South
7.13836116 Turk_Central_East
7.18922110 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.56683553 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.83765909 Turk_Central_West
8.23700795 Zaza
8.37295050 Yazidi
8.49383894 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.52823546 Iraq_Turkmen
8.85021469 Kurd_Adygea
8.90295457 Kurd_Sorani
9.25196195 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.61885648 Turk_Southwest
9.66965356 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.53644627 Turk_East
10.72063431 Iran_Khorasan
10.74323973 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.78183658 Iranian_Fars
11.32975728 Iranian
11.50170857 Lur_Iran
11.56653794 Turk_Northwest
Agree in general but just one thing I don't understand: When a result is southern with low mongoloid (like Kurds) you are quick to judge that the person cannot be Azerbaijani and must be a Kurd but when one is northern shifted and low mongoloid he is a regular Azerbaijani (not saying they aren't but I just question the double standard).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
Udi (I assume):
Gedrosia 21.34 Pct
Siberian 2 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.91 Pct
Atlantic_Med 10.09 Pct
North_European 4.9 Pct
South_Asian 2.49 Pct
East_African 0.82 Pct
Southwest_Asian 12.85 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 44.6 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Udi
4.88610274 Udi_Azerbaijan
4.89882639 Zaza
4.96387953 Turk_East
6.49346595 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.92439167 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.05385001 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.14128140 Kurd_Adygea
7.52671907 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.68072262 Armenian_East
7.91586382 Azeri_Jew
8.00511087 Iraq_Turkmen
8.27809761 Yazidi
8.28920382 Armenian_West
8.37848435 Kurd_Sorani
8.38055487 Assyrian_North
8.49263210 Azerbaijani
8.76447374 Assyrian_South
8.97590664 Assyrian_West
9.00599245 Turk_Southeast
9.55984833 Lur_Iran
9.73839823 Mandean
9.81856405 Iranian_Jew
9.89043983 Iranian
9.90787566 Turk_Central_East
10.64595698 Turk_Ahiska
I say it only when the proximity does not match, like if their top pops aren't Azerbaijani (what comes to mind recently is Zaza for example.). And I don't say can't be, I say probably isn't )) Again, only based on the proximity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
The other thing is, those three Absheron results were north shifted (go check them if you don't remember our discussion), I still said that they were probably not Azerbaijani, and once again based purely on numerical results. I have fairly been consistent in this.
Other than that, makes no difference to me.
The other thing is Kurds often get swept under the rug in Azerbaijan, mores so than others, which I think is not fair.
Recently even watched about the documentary about Kurds in Azerbaijan and how they lost their identity. Shame really.
How many Udi samples are there available? I know only three. If there are more, the reference should be updated, 'cause three is a low sample size.
He's from North region of the Republic. I think that's the reason for his double standards. He tries to show that Azerbaijanis from Republic is very different from Azerbaijanis of Iran. We even argued about this topic on this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
You guessed my foul purpose. I am surprised you did not say I was an Armenian spy planted in order to break apart Azerbaijani people, but you'll get there:) Then, as now, you have nothing substantial to contribute to discussion. This is the most often used, and the laziest way of conducting an argument in Azerbaijani part of the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Javid
PS (not really): Ad Hominem is an attempt to shift the discussion from an Idea to a Person. A smart person will not allow this to happen ...
... being either overcome with emotion as they cleave to their refuted argument, or being untutored in the fact that personal attacks during a logical argument diminish the standing of their own position, they turn against their opponent in personal and logically irrelevant ways
This is the second sample I have seen. Unfortunately I don't have any other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
WTF is this? I didn't mean any of those. I just said that you mostly share mixed Azerbaijani results with unusually low Mongoloid and high European. The possible reason for that could be that you are from North region which has low Mongoloid and high European.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
And additionally for some reason you have problem with South Azerbaijan. When Gedrosia or SWA is a little bit high you immediately say he/she is Kurdish or Talysh. And again according to you Iranian Azerbaijanis are very different from Republic (you even said that they are more closer to Iranians than Republic Azerbaijanis!) and they mixed with Kurds, Talish and etc.
I'm not saying you're enemy of Azerbaijan or anything stupid like that and there's no any personal attack. You are just not objective and try to show all Azerbaijanis are like Azerbaijanis from North.
I try to stay out of discussions using Admixture program to infer "Mongoloid" or "E Asian" because it's not used in the scientific community to calculate total Mongoloid or E Asian in populations. Instead statistical tools are used for this purpose.
A blanket statement like Kurds have low "Mongolid" is not factually correct, at least based on statistical tools used to infer this type of admixture.
The statement should instead be qualified as Kurds score lower Siberian or E. Asian using the Dodecad K12 calculator.
I would also like to point out that Gedrosian is proportional to Iran-N. Gedrosian or Iran-N is something the Kurds score on the higher side relatively speaking. The Paleolithic Caucasus paper by Harvard modeled Iran-N using qpAdm as about 11% E/S Eurasian Onge like + some 20% ANE related (below). CHG is also shown
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/wSx89LI.jpg[/IMG]
Although I have no proof as to how much "Mongoloid" Azeris score in statistical tools such as qpAdm because there are no public 1240K Azeri samples I'm aware of, the Reich dataset does contain 2 Kayseri Turkish samples. When I modeled Iraqi Kurds and Kayseri Turks as Armenian/Georgian/Iranian + E Asian/Siberian I so no evidence whatsoever that Kayseri Turks had higher E. Eurasian than Iraqi Kurds.
And I am saying you don't understand jack shit. I share results that I found, and that are not in Kyp's spreadsheet. Just so happens that he went scorched earth and most of the samples are already on his list.Quote:
WTF is this? I didn't mean any of those. I just said that you mostly share mixed Azerbaijani results with unusually low Mongoloid and high European. The possible reason for that could be that you are from North region which has low Mongoloid and high European.
Don't talk if you have no idea what is going on.
No, I only say it if their top pops are Kurds, not the other way around. I had the same position regarding high NE sample from Absheron. Again, if you actually read instead of resorting to Ad Hominem, you'd see that.Quote:
And additionally for some reason you have problem with South Azerbaijan. When Gedrosia or SWA is a little bit high you immediately say he/she is Kurdish or Talysh. And again according to you Iranian Azerbaijanis are very different from Republic (you even said that they are more closer to Iranians than Republic Azerbaijanis!) and they mixed with Kurds, Talish and etc.
You actually did say that. What you wrote was a personal attack, as you have nothing substation to add to the discussion.Quote:
I'm not saying you're enemy of Azerbaijan or anything stupid like that and there's no any personal attack. You are just not objective and try to show all Azerbaijanis are like Azerbaijanis from North.
I'll keep sharing samples, you are welcome to do so too. Or you can sit and skulk.
Azerbaijani:
Salimov,20.96,3.83,0.58,1.56,8.07,9.27,3.8,0,11.44 ,1.25,39.24,0
Distance to: Salimov
3.09025889 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.38251386 Azerbaijani_Turkey
3.45068109 Azerbaijani
5.68836532 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.77770716 Turk_Southeast
6.26101429 Zaza
6.68290356 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.94517098 Iraq_Turkmen
7.10154913 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.11219375 Kurd_Adygea
7.31701442 Yazidi
7.51406681 Kurd_Sorani
7.73736389 Turk_Central_East
8.27337295 Turk_South
8.55153203 Turk_East
8.59569660 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.08854774 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.22865104 Iranian
9.73456214 Turk_Central_West
9.75561889 Lur_Iran
10.06006958 Iranian_Fars
11.28747093 Iran_Khorasan
11.73663495 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.73750825 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.00479071 Turk_Southwest
Maybe Talysh, but I am not sure.
Gedrosia 21.52 Pct
Siberian 3.16 Pct
Northwest_African 1 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.66 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.39 Pct
North_European 9.09 Pct
South_Asian 3.31 Pct
East_African 1.84 Pct
Southwest_Asian 8.71 Pct
East_Asian 0.67 Pct
Caucasus 43.65 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distanceto:
6.62531509 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.86964337 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.1616688 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.30973324 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.618891 Zaza
7.63607229 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.17568346 Azerbaijani
8.34341057 Turk_East
8.51338358 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.59102439 Kurd_Adygea
9.68591761 Iranian
9.86345274 Yazidi
10.37516265 Kurd_Sorani
10.43998563 Turk_Southeast
10.53099236 Iraq_Turkmen
10.9297301 Adyghe
10.96047444 Turk_Central_East
11.08353734 Ingush
11.15329548 Turk_Ahiska
11.24650612 Lur_Iran
11.26793237 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
11.76477369 Ossetian
11.88429636 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.00953371 Karachay
12.08617806 Armenian_East
could you pm me the kit number as well ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
These are the Udis I've foundQuote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
Kit number: UZ7732905
Population
Gedrosia 22.76 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.33 Pct
North_European 8.41 Pct
South_Asian 0.6 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.7 Pct
East_Asian 1.22 Pct
Caucasus 45.98 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Kit number: UT1711840
Population
Gedrosia 20.94 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 1.83 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 11.15 Pct
North_European 7.12 Pct
South_Asian 1.85 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.41 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 45.7 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Kit number: RE2062633
Population
Gedrosia 20.39 Pct
Siberian 0.8 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.32 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.81 Pct
North_European 10.13 Pct
South_Asian 0.68 Pct
East_African 0.11 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.01 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 46.75 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Kit number: T510848
Population
Gedrosia 20.55 Pct
Siberian 1.43 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.28 Pct
North_European 9.4 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 10.79 Pct
East_Asian 0.99 Pct
Caucasus 47.52 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Kit number: YH3653037
Population
Gedrosia 23.15 Pct
Siberian 0.38 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.05 Pct
Atlantic_Med 8.49 Pct
North_European 8.38 Pct
South_Asian 0.86 Pct
East_African 0.65 Pct
Southwest_Asian 11.41 Pct
East_Asian 0.2 Pct
Caucasus 44.47 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.95 Pct
Let's update the average, 5 samples is much better, especially for such a tiny ethnic group (unlike the Georgians whom you called 'tiny').
Code:Udi,21.52,0.77,0.31,0.38,9.36,8.06,1.08,0.26,11.86,0.40,45.84,0.16
This was earlier shared by Kyp. Looks like Udi, but with some EA admixture.
zara,20.07,3.56,0.3,0.79,5.28,10.61,1.57,0.5,11,1. 3,44.87,0.17
Distance to: zara
6.22454818 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.89066035 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.94802850 Turk_East
7.72383972 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.79316367 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.82625709 Zaza
7.91844682 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.22758774 Azerbaijani
9.08007159 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.40192002 Kurd_Adygea
9.80175494 Turk_Ahiska
9.80381558 Adyghe
9.89229498 Turk_Southeast
9.95279860 Turk_Central_East
10.30583815 Armenian_East
10.75552416 Ossetian
10.77412641 Ingush
10.81364878 Iraq_Turkmen
10.92023351 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.94223469 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
11.00466265 Kurd_Sorani
11.04891397 Yazidi
11.16611392 Karachay
11.29045172 Abazin
11.29689338 Iranian
I called the country tiny (not the people), maybe I should have said small, which also applies to Azerbaijan. Especially sandwiched between truly big countries like Russia, Iran and Turkey.Quote:
unlike the Georgians whom you called 'tiny').
Distance to: zaraQuote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
5.64880518 Azerbaijani_North
6.22454818 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.89066035 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.94802850 Turk_East
7.72383972 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.79316367 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.82625709 Zaza
7.91844682 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.22758774 Azerbaijani
9.08007159 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.40192002 Kurd_Adygea
9.63561622 Azerbaijani_Northwest
9.80175494 Turk_Ahiska
9.80381558 Adyghe
9.89229498 Turk_Southeast
9.95279860 Turk_Central_East
10.30583815 Armenian_East
10.75552416 Ossetian
10.77412641 Ingush
10.81364878 Iraq_Turkmen
10.92023351 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.94223469 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
11.00466265 Kurd_Sorani
11.04891397 Yazidi
11.16611392 Karachay
Another Talysh:
Gedrosia 26.93 Pct
Siberian 0.47 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.49 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.67 Pct
North_European 7.89 Pct
South_Asian 2.91 Pct
East_African 0.46 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13 Pct
East_Asian 2.12 Pct
Caucasus 40.06 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: talysh
3.07792138 Talysh_Azerbaijan
3.42191467 Kurd_Adygea
3.65931688 Iranian
4.24390151 Yazidi
4.75807734 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.88635856 Lur_Iran
5.09479146 Zaza
5.34782199 Kurd_Sorani
6.23142841 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.76718553 Iranian_Fars
7.51152448 Iraq_Turkmen
7.80115376 Azerbaijani
7.99651174 Iran_Mazandaran
8.25694859 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.81419310 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.53598448 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.00906589 Iran_Khorasan
10.94310285 Turk_Southeast
11.92803840 Turk_East
12.90463870 Iraqi_Baghdad
13.81290701 Turk_Central_East
14.06270955 Mandean
14.24281222 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
14.38701845 Azeri_Jew
14.64869619 Turk_South
Running this previous sample with Kyp's Azerbaijani_North average. Much better fit:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
Distance to: Narmin
4.15195135 Azerbaijani_North
5.74665990 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.81017621 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.81560709 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.36920620 Zaza
7.81005122 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.83026181 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.25261777 Azerbaijani
8.31703072 Kurd_Adygea
8.42896198 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.96131687 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
9.20057607 Turk_East
9.88546913 Ingush
9.98469829 Yazidi
10.11521132 Iranian
10.11676332 Kurd_Sorani
10.16168785 Adyghe
10.83484195 Turk_Southeast
11.02097546 Iraq_Turkmen
11.09746367 Kumyk
11.47187866 Ossetian
11.58668633 Turk_Ahiska
11.63015907 Karachay
11.75951955 Turk_Central_East
11.77513482 Lur_Iran