Dodecad k12b West, Central & South Asian results Vol. 2

One of my gedmatch matches. Has a Kurdish name.

Population
Gedrosia 25.80 Pct
Siberian 1.17 Pct
Northwest_African 1.50 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.40 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.84 Pct
North_European 4.72 Pct
South_Asian 1.53 Pct
East_African 1.23 Pct
Southwest_Asian 15.49 Pct
East_Asian 2.43 Pct
Caucasus 37.71 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.17 Pct

Distance to: AH
3.97430497 Kurd_Sorani
4.21167425 Turkmen_Iraq
4.52842136 Lur_Iran
4.59719480 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.06450328 Zaza
6.56396222 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.58107134 Iranian_Fars
6.61840615 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.65311205 Kurd_KAZ
6.66203422 Iranian
8.01252145 Azerbaijani
8.84336474 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.20887615 Iraqi_Baghdad
9.61729692 Turk_Southeast
10.82293398 Iran_Mazandaran
11.03309114 Mandean
11.28318661 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.94599933 Iran_Khorasan
12.02213375 Iranian_Jew
12.43683239 Turk_East
12.67998423 Azeri_Jew
12.68397020 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
13.20491196 Turk_Central_East
13.45433016 Assyrian_North
13.59145688 Assyrian_South

Turk from Western Anatolia, a Yörük

Gedrosia: 16.10 Pct
Siberian: 7.90 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian : 1.81 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 11.29 Pct
North_European: 10.62 Pct
South_Asian: 1.43 Pct
East_African:0.53 Pct
Southwest_Asian: 11.47 Pct
East_Asian: 5.32 Pct
Caucasus: 33.55 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

From Iranian Qizilbash tribe of Qara-Eli/Garaili, so we technically have the first Khorasani Turk result, although i don't know where he is from or how mixed he is since the tribe was in parts re-located all around Teheran:

Gedrosian: 23.22
Siberian: 2.52
Northwest_African: 1.61
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 6.97
North_European: 10.89
South_Asian: 4.37
East_African: 0.34
Southwest_Asian: 9.99
East_Asian: 4.06
Caucasian: 36.03
South_African: 0.00

Distance to: Qaraeli
5.34707397 Azerbaijani
5.43747184 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.66912288 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.72194912 Iran_Khorasan
8.05219846 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.45797848 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.46624474 Turk_Southeast
8.65781728 Iranian_Fars
8.78936858 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.14159723 Kurd_Sorani
9.28500404 Zaza
9.87010638 Iranian
9.94236893 Turkmen_Iraq
10.10596359 Turk_South
10.69501286 Lur_Iran
10.86329600 Turk_Central_East
10.86420729 Turkmen_Iran
11.32543156 Kurd_KAZ
11.34714502 Turkmens
11.34924667 Turk_Anatolia
11.58676400 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.74982128 Turk_Central_West
12.17781590 Iran_Mazandaran
12.33405854 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.38346478 Yoruk

Target: Qaraeli
Distance: 1.1938% / 1.19384691 | ADC: 0.25x
37.4 Iran_Khorasan
35.4 Azerbaijani
20.0 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
4.0 Yoruk
2.0 Azerbaijani_Iran
1.2 Algerian

This is his close match:

Gedrosian: 26.52
Siberian: 2.40
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.55
North_European: 10.63
South_Asian: 5.65
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 8.98
East_Asian: 5.68
Caucasian: 31.59
South_African: 0.00

Distance to: Qaraelimatch
4.10090234 Iran_Khorasan
7.40851537 Turkmens
8.15612653 Turkmen_Iran
9.55277970 Iranian_Fars
10.29052963 Azerbaijani
10.52925923 Azerbaijani_Iran
11.80070337 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.15964226 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.42550603 Iranian
12.69925195 Kurd_Sorani
12.78602362 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.79970312 Talysh_Azerbaijan
12.82699107 Turk_Southeast
12.83448090 Tajik_Herat
13.10861930 Lur_Iran
13.42496182 Iran_Mazandaran
13.63755477 Turkmen_Iraq
13.75652209 Zaza
14.12448583 Turk_South
14.23556111 Yoruk
14.98271337 Parsi_India
15.00065999 Kurd_KAZ
15.11491978 Turk_Anatolia
15.41324106 Turk_Central_East
15.43240422 Turk_Central_West

Target: Qaraelimatch
Distance: 2.1826% / 2.18259904 | ADC: 0.25x
73.8 Iran_Khorasan
11.4 Turkmens
8.2 Azerbaijani
3.6 Spanish_Basque
2.8 Lezgin
0.2 Korean

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Originally Posted by Kyp

From Iranian Qizilbash tribe of Qara-Eli/Garaili, so we technically have the first Khorasani Turk result, although i don't know where he is from or how mixed he is since the tribe was in parts re-located all around Teheran:

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Do you know whether Khorasan Turks are just of Kızılbaş or even have diverse origins? The only thing what i know is that they are the linguistic connective link between Turkmens and Azerbaijanis(consequentlyAnatolian Turks too) so i thought also the link regarding ethnicity, culture etc. This language closer to Turkmen, some even thought it is the connective link between Uzbek and Turkmen language. This both have definitely Kizibas origins and are genetically more close to Azerbaijanis than Turkmens.

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Originally Posted by Bender1999

Do you know whether Khorasan Turks are just of Kızılbaş or even have diverse origins? The only thing what i know is that they are the linguistic connective link between Turkmens and Azerbaijanis(consequentlyAnatolian Turks too) so i thought also the link regarding ethnicity, culture etc. This language closer to Turkmen, some even thought it is the connective link between Uzbek and Turkmen language. This both have definitely Kizibas origins and are genetically more close to Azerbaijanis than Turkmens.

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I think they have various origins (some from Azerbaijan some always in Khorasan). Often the exact origin of some tribes is not known. This one here is suspected to have always been in Khorasan and dispersed first under the Safavids (as I said the result is not necessarily from Khorasan but could also be from Mazandaran or other areas where they have went).

Here you can use Google-Translate:
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Originally Posted by Kyp

I think they have various origins (some from Azerbaijan some always in Khorasan). Often the exact origin of some tribes is not known. This one here is suspected to have always been in Khorasan and dispersed first under the Safavids (as I said the result is not necessarily from Khorasan but could also be from Mazandaran or other areas where they have went).

Here you can use Google-Translate:
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Thanks. Nevertheless i would believe that he is a Khorasan Turk, although i would expect a bit more east eurasian. I saw some pictures of them and they really look like a tie between Turkmens and Azerbaijanis.

Turk from Izmir, i would say with ancestors from Balkan:

Gedrosian: 3.71 Pct
Siberian: -
Northwest_African: 4.75 Pct
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: 24.14 Pct
North_European: 21.06 Pct
South_Asian: -
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 9.09 Pct
East_Asian: 2.32 Pct
Caucasian: 34.64 Pct
SSA: -

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Originally Posted by Bender1999

Thanks. Nevertheless i would believe that he is a Khorasan Turk, although i would expect a bit more east eurasian. I saw some pictures of them and they really look like a tie between Turkmens and Azerbaijanis.

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Technically speaking, Turkmens are also ‘khorasan Turks’ so if you google it then they will also show up. Some of the real khorasani Turks are probably mixed with Turkmens however mainly those who live near golestan. Most however should theoretically only be between 5-10 due to qizilbash origins

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Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

Technically speaking, Turkmens are also ‘khorasan Turks’ so if you google it then they will also show up. Some of the real khorasani Turks are probably mixed with Turkmens however mainly those who live near golestan. Most however should theoretically only be between 5-10 due to qizilbash origins

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Yes but there should be a clear cut between these two groups since one is Shia and the other is Sunni.

Khorasan Turks: Iranians with turkish origin, or turkish-speaking
Turkmens: Turkmens living in Iran, less influenced by Iranian realm/culture

Also Khorasani Turkish is officially endangered

I also expect Khorasan Turks to be close to Azerbaijanis in terms of Eurasian DNA. Maybe slightly more on average since neighbouring populations in Khorasan have higher Eurasian DNA than in Azerbaijan.

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Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

Technically speaking, Turkmens are also ‘khorasan Turks’ so if you google it then they will also show up. Some of the real khorasani Turks are probably mixed with Turkmens however mainly those who live near golestan. Most however should theoretically only be between 5-10 due to qizilbash origins

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Yes thats true. I often see them as different subgroup than to Azerbaijanis and Turkmens, but also often see that Turkmens and Kizilbas described as Chorasan Turk. Information about them are rare, i can’t read Persians(if there exist sources about them in Iran) and i don’t know whether i could find books about them in Turkey. Tribes in Turkey regardless of ethnicity are well explored, even those who migrated to Iran, but i don’t know if i would find information about them. Even if i would find, i must scrutinise the authenticity of the sources, some historians are idiotic.