Target: Juan_scaledQuote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Distance: 2.7118% / 0.02711830
33.4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
29.6 Spanish_Asturias
20.4 Spanish_Canarias
16.6 Spanish_Murcia
Astucias y Ratilla y Peleón deben estar en el sudoeste :picard1:
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Target: Juan_scaledQuote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Distance: 2.7118% / 0.02711830
33.4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
29.6 Spanish_Asturias
20.4 Spanish_Canarias
16.6 Spanish_Murcia
Astucias y Ratilla y Peleón deben estar en el sudoeste :picard1:
A mi madre le suele salir también un noreuropeo como el tuyo y un porcentaje similar de Irlandés, igual tiene que ver con un solapamiento del componente Atlántico con componentes de la cornisa Cantábrica oriental antiguos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0
Soléis plotear a la misma altura en algunos PCAs, tú algo más para el este y mi madre más al oeste como habrás visto.
O yo que sé, por plantear algo.:noidea:
Tienes razon, pero nuestros resultados en verdad son bastante diferentes. Ella tiene unos resultados tipicos vascos con whg alto y casi nulo iberomaurusian. En mi caso tengo un whg normal pero una estepa muy alta.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
No entiendo bien el sentido del post. No crees que tiras dentro de la península hacia el sudoeste?Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Según tú, hacia donde sueles tirar en la península, Sur o Norte? Este u Oeste?
Distance to: Defcon2(Spain)_scaled
0.02910482 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.03060709 Spanish_Andalucia
0.03207127 Spanish_Murcia
0.03254575 Portuguese
0.03321373 Spanish_Extremadura
0.03357220 Spanish_Galicia
0.03396093 Spanish_Asturias
0.03519859 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.03564592 Spanish_Valencia
0.03572437 Spanish_Aragon
0.03575522 Spanish_Alacant
0.03579735 Spanish_Menorca
0.03689185 Spanish_Eivissa
0.03726846 Spanish_Baleares
0.03763305 Spanish_Cataluna
0.03866410 Spanish_Cantabria
0.03918692 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.03940781 Spanish_Pirineu
0.04021333 Spanish_Barcelones
0.04023845 Spanish_Mallorca
0.04029475 Spanish_Canarias
0.04040939 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.04043416 Spanish_Lleida
0.04043550 Spanish_Navarra
0.04049903 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
Pues que me puedo solapar con casi cualquier región que va del norte a sur desde Iberia occidental, que lo bauticé como African-Shifted por ser lo más característico de esta zona geográfica o cluster genético, no necesariamente tengo afinidad con el sudoeste solamente.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Bueno, distancia no es igual a "por donde sueles tirar" que se ve en el Single, de todas formas no contradice lo que dije.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
A ver lo logico es que Portugal entre en lo que seria southwest-shifteo, pero igualmente pienso que forman un bloque genetico solido en el oeste. Creo que el plotea con los asturianos, gallegos, portugueses, mas cerca que tu que ploteas mas con los riojanos, cantabros, vascos, aragoneses, etc. (creo).Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Ahora que lo veo... Creo que FTDNA esta algo mejor que LivingDNA no? Yo tenia pensado hacer LivingDNA, tambien les pedi que formatearan mi cuenta, pero como que me ire con FTDNA al final, mas barato y veo que esta mejorcito. No descarto el YSEQ a futuro.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/a408...temid=12427702Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0
MAR_Taforalt-Shifteo & Yoruba-ShifteoQuote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Bueno, pues nada, pues entonces no diré más veces nada similar a lo que dije.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Ni tiras para el sur, ni para el norte, ni para el oeste ni para el este, porque tus resultados salen repartidos por todas partes en los resultados de "Single".
Ya puestos , pondrá las sources que usamos por si alguien quiere postear sus resultados.
Code:Spanish_Alacant,0.113444,0.146574,0.037209,0.000269,0.041341,-0.002789,-0.005131,0.001769,0.023486,0.031314,-0.005088,0.008517,-0.015486,-0.011813,0.01045,0.003271,-0.001543,0.000106,-0.004043,-0.005565,0.004035,-0.000412,-0.00419,-0.001707,0.003133
Spanish_Andalucia,0.108132,0.146076,0.035707,-0.003434,0.045256,-0.005857,-0.00193,0.00266,0.024715,0.031162,-0.002154,0.007272,-0.013207,-0.011408,0.010243,-0.002498,-0.006176,-0.0011,-0.004261,-0.002133,0.002929,-0.001302,-0.001972,-0.005334,0.001885
Spanish_Aragon,0.119514,0.14649,0.041389,-0.000323,0.046855,-0.000139,-0.000529,0.002942,0.024901,0.036903,-0.002152,0.010303,-0.017653,-0.012833,0.012758,-0.002784,-0.004759,-0.000792,-0.002231,0.001,0.003463,9.3e-05,-0.001171,-0.001054,-0.000239
Spanish_Asturias,0.110408,0.144205,0.045632,0.000646,0.051702,-0.007251,-0.007285,0.006923,0.025975,0.031345,-0.003248,0.008093,-0.019029,-0.009083,0.014386,-0.013392,-0.015907,0.001267,-0.005405,-0.000875,0.006863,-0.006059,-0.001602,0.001325,0.006466
Spanish_Baleares,0.1161,0.146914,0.040603,-0.002799,0.040725,-0.002231,-0.000548,0.002462,0.019225,0.029279,-0.004547,0.007943,-0.015015,-0.012615,0.003936,0.002254,0.001999,0.001056,0.001131,-0.004377,0.000541,0.000618,0.001232,0.000321,-0.004111
Spanish_Barcelones,0.119287,0.14908,0.045707,0.004651,0.045916,0.003347,0.003243,0.003646,0.020861,0.029632,-0.004157,0.007044,-0.014331,-0.009221,0.007763,-0.000424,-0.006102,-0.000101,0.002363,-0.003527,0.003569,-4.9e-05,-0.003993,-0.003639,0.001533
Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona,0.119087,0.144459,0.04219,0.0021,0.044201,-0.000662,-0.002203,0.001442,0.020273,0.027859,0.001624,0.005995,-0.013026,-0.013212,0.007617,0.002486,-0.001744,0.001093,-0.000801,0.000328,0.00156,0.002612,-0.00094,-0.00491,-0.000733
Spanish_Canarias,0.081294,0.145702,0.030269,-0.012903,0.037837,-0.006224,-0.006494,0.000814,0.031604,0.029052,-0.000496,0.005261,-0.007175,-0.013617,0.011022,-0.002198,-0.002738,-0.003487,-0.010843,0.000987,0.000604,-0.00643,0.001641,-0.003418,0.001702
Spanish_Cantabria,0.119514,0.14759,0.044375,0.005922,0.046778,-0.00595,-0.000548,0.001923,0.023588,0.034746,-0.00563,0.008642,-0.018632,-0.016882,0.009093,0.001635,-0.00352,0.001267,-0.005405,-0.004794,0.002787,0.000742,-0.005957,-0.001767,0.000679
Spanish_Castello,0.120327,0.146236,0.043477,0.001153,0.045283,-0.001554,-0.001175,0.001187,0.024017,0.034833,-0.005614,0.006851,-0.01597,-0.015119,0.007872,0.004698,0.002757,0.001394,-0.00088,-0.000268,0.005776,0.000406,-0.006409,-0.002169,0.000565
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha,0.11553,0.148013,0.040352,-0.00323,0.042085,-0.004811,-0.001704,0.001731,0.024645,0.033941,-0.002111,0.008692,-0.015275,-0.012386,0.010281,-0.001061,-0.00603,-0.00019,-0.000126,-0.000688,0.005459,0.001484,-0.001048,-0.003886,-0.001078
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon,0.107753,0.143867,0.040477,-0.002153,0.043803,0.001859,-0.001723,0.004615,0.028429,0.029218,-0.002328,0.007843,-0.012091,-0.012019,0.01226,-0.006541,-0.00678,-0.001731,-0.004525,-0.002293,0.000291,-0.000907,0.001315,-0.002571,-0.002754
Spanish_Cataluna,0.114582,0.146236,0.045883,0.002369,0.047188,0,-0.002037,0.002384,0.022361,0.030494,-0.001895,0.008592,-0.016006,-0.010643,0.008867,0.001591,-0.000652,-0.001647,-0.001131,-0.000959,0.006197,-0.005729,-0.003903,-0.001928,0.000958
Spanish_Catalunya_Central,0.12432,0.149283,0.044123,0.002118,0.046676,0.001642,-0.000183,0.000974,0.021111,0.028976,-0.002887,0.006428,-0.014965,-0.012401,0.00757,0.00498,0.000319,0.001323,-0.00081,-0.001403,0.002939,0.001662,-0.000671,-0.002624,-0.000718
Spanish_Eivissa,0.116187,0.146705,0.037654,-0.004025,0.039723,-0.003411,0.000271,0.003142,0.020657,0.029915,-0.002523,0.007424,-0.012225,-0.008554,0.008822,0.000969,-0.003681,-0.002924,-0.002379,-0.003983,0.003254,0.001817,-0.001744,-0.000185,-0.001474
Spanish_Extremadura,0.105096,0.14996,0.033061,-0.001184,0.040931,-0.002789,-0.003995,-0.001,0.024679,0.031223,-0.001299,0.005046,-0.010604,-0.012248,0.007555,0.002608,-0.002347,-0.003294,-0.006411,0.000417,0.002121,-0.00474,-0.001479,-0.002771,0.001437
Spanish_Galicia,0.108765,0.146462,0.041064,-0.001651,0.041204,-9.3e-05,-0.005457,0.002423,0.024713,0.030029,-0.002129,0.005737,-0.012611,-0.012157,0.011144,0.000589,-0.004237,-0.002161,-0.005042,-0.001007,0.000873,-0.002899,-0.000808,-0.003682,0.001304
Spanish_Girona,0.121335,0.145932,0.041898,0.003295,0.041177,0.001618,-0.000447,0.003369,0.019982,0.030889,-0.002062,0.008872,-0.013454,-0.013487,0.007573,0.00305,0.002047,-0.000621,0.001672,-0.002726,0.002833,-0.001002,-0.000345,0.000133,-0.001653
Spanish_La_Rioja,0.121791,0.152329,0.046763,-0.008398,0.053856,-0.010598,-0.00188,0.002308,0.027611,0.038816,-0.005359,0.005695,-0.016947,-0.014863,0.00665,0.013657,0.010561,-0.002407,-0.000628,5e-04,0.012977,0.002349,-0.002218,-0.009399,0.000838
Spanish_Lleida,0.12217,0.146801,0.042992,0.002046,0.044248,-0.001518,0.000653,0.002102,0.022588,0.029806,-0.00092,0.008942,-0.016402,-0.013655,0.0084,0.000236,-0.00142,0.000648,0.001257,-0.000903,0.00739,0.00033,-0.001698,-0.00079,-0.000639
Spanish_Mallorca,0.117617,0.147929,0.038927,0.001077,0.039392,-0.001363,0.000392,0.003077,0.017407,0.027943,-0.003031,0.006278,-0.01556,-0.00841,0.006439,0.002519,0.001362,0.001464,-0.00088,-0.001348,0.000971,0.000756,-0.001753,0.000201,-0.000239
Spanish_Menorca,0.115721,0.14759,0.036832,-0.006029,0.042777,-0.001673,0.00141,0.000154,0.02168,0.02934,-0.002219,0.009292,-0.01442,-0.007248,0.003212,-0.002873,-0.002825,0.001394,-0.00088,-0.001792,0.003286,0.001937,0.001068,-0.006627,-0.005868
Spanish_Murcia,0.10927,0.142936,0.037901,-0.005814,0.04547,-0.002092,-0.004994,-0.003346,0.025259,0.03221,-0.00341,0.003409,-0.012376,-0.010803,0.004716,-0.001425,0.00101,0.000855,-6.3e-05,0.001,0.005022,-0.002937,-0.000678,-0.003012,0.001976
Spanish_Navarra,0.119514,0.146236,0.044249,-0.000754,0.048727,-0.001208,-0.003212,-0.001461,0.024952,0.038695,-0.00498,0.01149,-0.015263,-0.017019,0.015653,0.002829,-0.008736,0.001098,-0.002472,-0.002543,0.004658,0.002556,-0.006943,4e-05,0.00475
Spanish_Pais_Vasco,0.128241,0.151652,0.056317,0.008075,0.052112,0.002417,0.000235,0.002923,0.027747,0.039849,-0.0059,0.009342,-0.02106,-0.012065,0.018413,-0.002475,-0.012343,0.002872,0.002221,-0.006587,0.007736,-0.002432,-0.006532,-0.006748,0.003672
Spanish_Penedes,0.121791,0.145867,0.040866,0.004727,0.04205,0.001851,-0.002414,0.000797,0.018426,0.02823,-0.001358,0.005395,-0.016136,-0.01385,0.010068,0.001422,0.00192,0.001923,0.000103,-0.001126,0.001724,-0.000641,-0.002768,-0.001676,0.000425
Spanish_Peri-Barcelona,0.121222,0.149689,0.041332,0.001518,0.044593,0.000251,0.000541,0.001338,0.021455,0.030033,-0.001738,0.006999,-0.013721,-0.012359,0.007329,0.00126,7.8e-05,-0.000253,-0.000742,-0.001363,0.002708,0.000828,-0.001467,-0.000422,0.002287
Spanish_Pirineu,0.121981,0.146574,0.042678,0.002584,0.044983,-0.000837,-0.000862,0.004384,0.025395,0.034321,-0.002301,0.009616,-0.014792,-0.012455,0.007035,0.000442,-0.001434,0.00038,-0.004441,-0.001605,0.003702,-0.000618,-0.002835,-0.006447,0.001816
Spanish_Soria,0.121791,0.142174,0.049968,0.007591,0.047547,0.001255,-0.002938,-0.001269,0.020657,0.03745,-0.010474,0.01139,-0.017393,-0.022845,0.011401,0.014519,0.01356,-0.002914,-0.004085,-0.000688,-0.000312,-0.001422,-0.003759,-0.005904,-0.002096
Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre,0.122018,0.146846,0.041408,-0.001744,0.042839,-0.004406,-0.000141,0.004523,0.018775,0.032948,-0.00328,0.007823,-0.01662,-0.01112,0.009636,-0.003394,-0.005294,-0.000684,0.000402,0.000325,0.002895,0.000742,-0.003574,-0.005398,-0.001293
Spanish_Valencia,0.117997,0.144629,0.040855,-0.000888,0.04647,-0.001441,-0.001998,0.001634,0.023162,0.033258,-0.003004,0.00833,-0.012859,-0.01234,0.009602,-0.000851,-0.004694,-0.001721,-0.001236,-0.000917,0.005574,-0.00137,-0.002044,-0.005141,0.002056
Portuguese,0.106174,0.144611,0.036007,-0.004432,0.042137,-0.004049,-0.003741,0.00276,0.025598,0.029741,-0.000734,0.007421,-0.012737,-0.011263,0.012557,-0.000398,-0.001132,-0.000887,-0.005762,-0.000245,0.001138,-0.002572,0.001301,-0.001133,-0.000105
0.03191394 Spanish_ExtremaduraQuote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
0.03283610 Portuguese
0.03468066 Spanish_Murcia
0.03548125 Spanish_Galicia
0.03619114 Spanish_Mallorca
0.03632328 Spanish_Baleares
0.03694305 Spanish_Canarias
0.03778831 Spanish_Eivissa
0.03826377 Spanish_Andalucia
0.03833298 Spanish_Menorca
0.03856037 Spanish_Alacant
0.03979222 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.03994203 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.04082462 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.04088925 Spanish_Girona
0.04143300 Spanish_Penedes
0.04174738 Spanish_Cataluna
0.04249963 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.04272329 Spanish_Castello
0.04284375 Spanish_Valencia
0.04356026 Spanish_Pirineu
0.04388319 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.04432484 Spanish_Lleida
0.04523944 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.04657591 Spanish_Aragon
0.04685881 Spanish_Barcelones
0.04850008 Spanish_Cantabria
0.05071393 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.05086367 Spanish_Soria
0.05264123 Spanish_Navarra
0.05623955 Spanish_Asturias
0.06865251 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
Distance: 2.7815% / 0.02781491
49.0 Spanish_Canarias
48.4 Spanish_Mallorca
2.6 Spanish_Soria
Tiro para el oeste/sur hombre, no es para nada algo aleatorio:Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Quitando CyL y Asturias:
Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 3.0269% / 0.03026941
70.0 Spanish_Andalucia
30.0 Spanish_Murcia
Quitando Andalucia, Murcia, CyL y Asturias:
Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 3.1840% / 0.03183960
35.4 Portuguese
35.0 Spanish_Extremadura
20.6 Spanish_Aragon
9.0 Spanish_Menorca
Quitando los anteriores, Portugal y Extremadura:
Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 3.2945% / 0.03294530
61.2 Spanish_Galicia
24.4 Spanish_Menorca
14.4 Spanish_Aragon
A mí los resultados de LivingDna me gustaron más, pero no sé cuales son mejores, ya sabes como funciona esto, el que más se parece a lo que ya creíamos, sabíamos o lo que nos gustaría es el que suele parecernos mejor. Es una cuestión de gustos en la mayoría de los casos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
En cuanto a lo de Defcon2, tiene toda la ración del muslo, será un center shifted , simplemente no recordé bien sus resultados.
Lo siento Defcon2, me equivoqué, no volverá a pasar.
Excusaré mis últimos errores (como el catastrófico thread "estás más cerca delos finlandeses o de los marroquíes" sin quitar las referencias de judíos marroquíes) diciendo que estoy hasta arriba de trabajo, estoy cansado, lleno de preocupaciones, estrés y falta de sueño.
Para los errores de hace dos meses y medio y antes, no tengo ninguna excusa que se me ocurra ahora mismo.:)
Pues ahora no me da la gana!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Tiras pal centro y se acabó.
Mi modelo con referencias customizadas va a misa:
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NorthWest_Iberia,0.10746950,0.14553650,0.03853550,-0.00304150,0.04167050,-0.00207100,-0.00459900,0.00259150,0.02515550,0.02988500,-0.00143150,0.00657900,-0.01267400,-0.01171000,0.01185050,0.00009550,-0.00268450,-0.00152400,-0.00540200,-0.00062600,0.00100550,-0.00273550,0.00024650,-0.00240750,0.00059950
North_Iberia,0.12242300,0.14849267,0.04831367,0.00441433,0.04920567,-0.00158033,-0.00117500,0.00112833,0.02542900,0.03776333,-0.00550333,0.00982467,-0.01831833,-0.01532200,0.01438633,0.00066300,-0.00819967,0.00174567,-0.00188533,-0.00464133,0.00506033,0.00028867,-0.00647733,-0.00282500,0.00303367
NorthEast_Iberia,0.11628950,0.14543250,0.04336900,0.00072050,0.04682900,-0.00072050,-0.00201750,0.00200900,0.02276150,0.03187600,-0.00244950,0.00846100,-0.01443250,-0.01149150,0.00923450,0.00037000,-0.00267300,-0.00168400,-0.00118350,-0.00093800,0.00588550,-0.00354950,-0.00297350,-0.00353450,0.00150700
SouthWest_Iberia,0.10646733,0.14688233,0.03492500,-0.00301667,0.04277467,-0.00423167,-0.00322200,0.00147333,0.02499733,0.03070867,-0.00139567,0.00657967,-0.01218267,-0.01163967,0.01011833,-0.00009600,-0.00321833,-0.00176033,-0.00547800,-0.00065367,0.00206267,-0.00287133,-0.00071667,-0.00307933,0.00107233
SouthEast_Iberia,0.11097733,0.14567500,0.03798667,-0.00415933,0.04427033,-0.00425333,-0.00287600,0.00034833,0.02487300,0.03243767,-0.00255833,0.00645767,-0.01361933,-0.01153233,0.00841333,-0.00166133,-0.00373200,-0.00014500,-0.00148333,-0.00060700,0.00447000,-0.00091833,-0.00123267,-0.00407733,0.00092767
Es asi. El mejor siempre sera quien lea mas SNPs, sin lugar a dudas, el problema es que... Eso no lo sabemos. Lo mas probable es que no lean ni la mitad, o tal ves si... No lo se. Yo como tengo una raw data de muchisimos SNPs, quisiera hacer un ultimo pago en LivingDNA o FTDNA (capaz los 2 y ya esta) con esa raw data y me olvido de mas test autosomicos. El de YSEQ de que lo hago, lo hago, capaz me lo autoregale en diciembre, pero lo de la PS5 me parece una necesidad, es vital vamos.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Bueno, yo me voy ya, que mañana hay que hacer "cosas".:picard1:
Ahora he decidido que quiero ser vasco, de Guipuzcoa que es donde más lealtad a la nación española hay de toda España.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Leto está renovando las referencias del Dodecad 12b, y le gustaría que le ayudáramos a recoger coordenadas de individuos representativos de varias regiones españolas para incluir esas referencias en Vahaduo.
Pues eso, a ver si podemos ir recogiendo samples para hacer las medias.
Yo estos dos últimos meses he estado bastante ocupado y no he podido dedicar mucho tiempo al foro, pero a partir del 28 podría empezar a ayudar a recoger referencias, o a intentarlo.
Le he dicho que si quiere puede el hacer su propuesta aquí.
Tú puedes ser lo que quieras, solo tienes que desearlo muy fuerte.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Defskonski Extremadura
Madre gixajo Pais Vasco
Padre gixajo Andalucia
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Spaniard 2.0 Normadia
Rocinante Israel
En el de Defskonski cambiaria extremadura por sudoeste ibéricoQuote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Te equivocas, ahora es Guipuzcoano.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0
Soy polaco afincado en Guipuzkoa, incluso ya lo escribo en vasco.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0
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Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0
La idea sería buscar kits de gedmatch de españoles, ir viendo sus resultados, e independientemente de donde hayan nacido colocarlos en zonas de España (no necesariamente CCAA ni provincias).
O al menos creo que sería lo más apropiado, porque precisar la CCAA ya va a ser difícil, como para acertar la provincia o la zona específica de cada provincia.
O yo que sé, como se os ocurra clasificar cada referencia.
No seria Gipuzkoa? Digo digo... No me vayas a pegar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
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Originally Posted by Defcon2
No, es Guipuzkoa, lo he hablado con el PNV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Hey guys, Dodecad K12b Vahaduo desperately needs at least one decent Spanish national average because the original spreadsheet is fucking awful. Out of 14 (!) Spanish references none is accurate, it's a fucking disaster! If any of you could make one or two averages using actual people's kits, that would be greatly appreciated! I had already messaged @gixajo about this, he recommended me to ask here as well.
Hostia, pues se equivocan entonces los de 23andme, además que si hasta los 33 tuviste pelo tuviste más suerte que muchos otros que se empiezan a quedar sin pelo a los 25. Así que, esos % de 23andme son un auténtico bluff, salvo que tengas un 92% como Defcon2 que parece que es bastante radical el resultado y deberá ser más creíble.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Si tu familia materna es mayoritariamente calvorota, tienes muchos boletos, aunque todos tus familiares paternos hombres tengan pelazo. Si es así, (lo del pelazo de tu línea paterna y calvorotas en la materna) igual aguanta el pelo más tiempo. Yo me fiaría más en eso.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gota_type_
De todas formas siempre tienes la opción de los injertos capilares, cuando salen bien los resultados son muy buenos.:D
A mí es que una vez pasados los dos o tres primeros años de estupefacción alopécica, me acostumbré e incluso aprendí a apreciar mi cabeza calva.:)
Mi dos abuelos no han sido calvos hasta donde yo sé, pero mi tío materno sí que es calvorota, con 45-50 años tiene menos pelo que mi padre a los 60.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
No, si yo tengo buen pelo (ya puse una foto hace tiempo), era para ver si tenían sentido los % de 23andme, pero claro como son self-reported y a lo mejor la mitad de los que responden a la encuesta tienen 20-25 años pues es obvio que la mayoría todavía no tengan pérdida de pelo. Y habrá otros muchos que piensen que no tienen perdida de pelo porque no se ven calvos cuando en realidad tienen muy poca densidad.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Y lo de la familia materna ya lo había oído muchas veces. Habría que hacer estadísticas reales para ver si están en lo cierto o es algo que siempre se dice porque sí y ya está.
Por cierto, el que habla de Dodecad, ¿se está refiriendo al que está en gedmatch o solo al de vadahuo? En qué se diferencian? Le estáis ayudando ya con las medias? Yo no tengo vadahuo pero sí el dodecad de gedmatch.
lo de 23andMe como habla de probabilidad tiene sentido, en el sentido de que con probabilidades que no sean 100% o 0%, nunca se falla. Es decir, yo soy calvo con un 50% de probabilidad de serlo. Otro tendrá pelazo con un 10% de tener pelazo. En los dos acierta.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gota_type_
Como decía una persona de los que más aportes hizo en esa rama (a mi juicio bastarda) de las matemáticas, "mi hermano se ahogó en un río con una profundidad media de 0,25 metros".
Aunque la cita hace referencia a la estadística, yo siempre he considerado esas matemáticas (probabilidad, combinatoria, estadística, teoría de juegos), como similar.
Lo de que la calvicie se hereda principalmente del lado materno, hay varios estudios al respecto, que yo no he leido, pero si buscas los artículos de prensa que se han publicado, podrás encontrar alguna referencia a ellos, y encontrar los estudios originales.
Ahora bien, los estudios académicos no son la verdad absoluta e indiscutible, por cada estudio académico que defienda una cosa, encontrarás al menos uno que defienda justo lo contrario. Hay estudios y artículos académicos que defienden cualquier cosa que se te ocurra, y la contraria. Se hacen como churros, de hecho se deben publicas más estudios académicos al año que vehículos a motor.:eek:
En cuanto a lo del Dodecad12b, lo que quiere hacer Leto es mejorar las referencias para usarlas en Vahaduo.
No tenemos posibilidad de contacto directo con el tipo de origen griego que creó el Dodecad12b de Gedmatch como para cambiar las referencias oficiales en Gedmatch, me refiero. Pero sí que tenemos cierto contacto en este foro con el polaco-americano que hizo (creo que fue él) el Eurogenes k13, en esas sí que podríamos influir, de hecho, muchos le sugieren constantemente nuevas referencias de sus respectivos países, aunque por el momento, que yo sepa, solo las cambia en Vahaduo.
Yo estuve hablando con una famosa forera de TA que suele estar siempre mejorando las referencias de los países de su entorno y el suyo, para ver como recogía las muestras, para hacer yo lo mismo con el k13 y proponer nuevas referencias, pero se necesita mucho tiempo para ponerse en contacto con las personas a través de correo electrónico, indagar en sus respectivos orígenes etc, como para que las muestras sean representativas y fiables de cada zona.
Ahora mismo no tengo tiempo, ni ganas, como para hacer algo en serio de esa forma, sí que podemos hacer (ya lo hizo Defcon2), recoger las coordenadas de los españoles y portugueses y primos americanos, y hacer medias con esas coordenadas, pero habría que hacer una buena selección de individuos como para conseguir una media fiable.De todos los que estamos apenas dos o tres valdrían para formar parte como individuos de una buena muestra Ibérica. Y por regiones, no sé si valemos ninguno de nosotros.
He pagado por el LivingDNA, y aqui estan los resultados:
Europe 96%
South Italy 44.7%
West Iberia 42.9%
Scotland and Ireland 8.4%
Near East 2.2%
Arabia 2.2%
Africa 1.8%
North Africa 1.8%
Segun LivingDNA, hago unas pizzas de puta madre vamos.
Eres casi mitad italiano a pesar de tener sólo un abuelo de allá xD wutttt??Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Edit: Que pendejo estoy xD; no leí ni presté atención lo del aporte africano jajaja
En cambio a mí Living me dio CERO de italiano!!! :cry:cry:cryQuote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Your recent ancestry results
Europe (South) 96.5%
Basque 56.8%
West Iberia 39.7%
Mesoamerica 2.4%
Arabia 1.1%
P.d.: Me parece bastante acertado, sin embargo lo de Arabia es algo curioso... pero con gente de alto contenido neolítico a veces ocurre que nos da algo del Cáucaso, o algo de Arabia, Irán, Afganistán, etc.
Resultado aleatorio, LivingRandomDNA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Pues más vale que sea así, porque como tengas que hacer tortillas lo llevamos claro :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Me da demasiado italiano, hay calculadoras que me dan hasta 30%, pero ya casi mitad es desacertado totalmente. El escoces/irlandes tambien se lo han sacado del prepucio practicamente.Quote:
Originally Posted by HelloGuys
El africano es moro, en pocas palabras. Y supongo que el arabe vendra del italiano.
Bueno tan desacertado no estuvo, te dio tu gran tajada de vasco que se refleja en el G25, siempre te dan entre 50~60% de vasco, esta bien. Te debio de dar alguito de italiano, pero bueno supongo que de cierta manera lo confundira con iberico occidental, o sencillamente tendran pocos SNPs identificados lo que provocara unos resultados tan mierdas. Mi moro es de mi iberico y mi arabe es del italiano, seguro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Erronkari
Vamos, mejor descrito imposible. Su algoritmo esta hecho una puta mierda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Hombre tu... A ver que le cuente al bar que esta al lado del trabajo, donde voy y me como mi pincho de tortilla al punto, que tengo un amigo que vive cerca de la España mas viva, que come la tortilla como la come... A ver que me dice, pero bueno, me da demasiada verguenza, prefiero decirle que tiene una lectura impresionante :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by AlfonsoVIII
Te va a decir "tu amigo tiene razón y tú no tienes ni idea" :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Es que ayer hablaron de las tortillas poco hechas y del peligro de salmonella que implican y me acordé de ti, tenías que haber estado sentado a mi lado y yo decirte "¡toma nota figura, toma nota!" :lmao