Croat K13 regional (and national) averages

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Originally Posted by Insuperable

Are ph2ter and Celine from rural area?

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All my ancestry is from rural parts of Zagorje (and some border parts of Slovenia, also rural). Zagorje is a region with the most conservative population composition going all the way to deep Middle Ages.
We received only some influx from Central Croatia in the 15th century when Croats were expelled from there by the Turks.

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Originally Posted by ph2ter

All my ancestry is from rural parts of Zagorje (and some border parts of Slovenia, also rural). Zagorje is a region with the most conservative population composition going all the way to deep Middle Ages.
We received only some influx from Central Croatia in the 15th century when Croats were expelled from there by the Turks.

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Yeah, right. How Kajkavian dialect came to be? It is said that it is closest to Slovene language.

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Originally Posted by Insuperable

Yeah, right. How Kajkavian dialect came to be? It is said that it is closest to Slovene language.

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Slovenian language has lot more dialects than Croatian does. It's remarkably heterogenous for such a small country.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Slovenian language has lot more dialects than Croatian does. It's remarkably heterogenous for such a small country.

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How different are their dialects from each other? Number is not important.

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Originally Posted by Insuperable

How different are their dialects from each other? Number is not important.

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From what I heard very different. Alenka will know details.

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Originally Posted by Insuperable

Yeah, right. How Kajkavian dialect came to be? It is said that it is closest to Slovene language.

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Kajkavian is very archaic and form a dialectal continuum with Eastern Slovene dialects despite being politically separated from Slovenian lands for 1000 years. There do not exist common inovations with shtokavian. But at the same time it is so much different from Slovenian that it can be regarded as a separate language. Actually it was a literary language from 16th century.

New averages closest populations

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Distance to: Croat

1.15112988 Croat_Lika-Senj
1.57178243 Croat_Bosnia
2.11764020 Croat_Dalmatia
2.32275698 Croat_Tropolje
2.38123917 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
2.63874970 Croat_Istria
2.67807767 Moldova_North
2.89380373 Croat_Zagreb
2.90924389 Croat_Herzegovina
3.07496341 Bosniak
3.11412909 Serb_B&H
3.19530906 Croat_Slavonia
3.22667442 Hungarian_Alfold
3.33963212 Bosniak_Sarajevo
3.72668754 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
3.77632785 Hungarian_Transylvania
3.89445760 Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
4.09389603 Slovenian
4.09871139 Hungarian
4.14581491 Hungarian_Csango
4.46336196 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
4.62265075 Serb_Croatia
4.73789306 Hungarian_Szekely
4.83352873 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
4.87306885 Croat_Gorski-kotar

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Distance to: Croat_Bosnia

1.45244621 Croat_Lika-Senj
1.57178243 Croat
1.97420870 Croat_Dalmatia
2.07231754 Croat_Istria
2.14937200 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
2.61637153 Croat_Herzegovina
2.72064331 Serb_B&H
2.76273415 Bosniak
3.06168254 Croat_Tropolje
3.18021634 Bosniak_Sarajevo
3.39509941 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
3.64749229 Moldova_North
3.73580731 Hungarian_Csango
3.74061492 Croat_Zagreb
3.82176661 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
4.03985148 Serb_Croatia
4.10660689 Hungarian_Alfold
4.11097312 Croat_Slavonia
4.15045719 Hungarian_Transylvania
4.35708618 Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia
4.47576809 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
4.52096229 Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
4.77529057 Serb
4.90168765 Hungarian_Szekely
4.90214239 Serb_B&H_Krajina

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Distance to: Croat_Central

1.65382210 Slovenian
1.71175349 Croat_Gorski-kotar
1.87187905 Hungarian_Budapest
2.04000000 Croat_Zagorje
2.04111548 Hungarian
2.45495358 Hungarian_Alfold
2.79410093 Croat_Zagreb
2.84588843 Hungarian_Transdanubia
3.25683145 Hungarian_Northern
4.39210703 Slovak
4.98755451 Croat
5.55706757 Moldova_North
5.71897718 Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
5.76442538 Croat_Lika-Senj
5.80975042 Czech
6.05010744 Croat_Bosnia
6.20081290 Hungarian_Transylvania
6.41079558 Croat_Slavonia
6.68503553 Croat_Tropolje
6.95625618 Croat_Dalmatia
7.20950761 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
7.21388226 Hungarian_Szekely
7.49077433 Croat_Istria
7.58354139 East_German
7.60386744 Austrian

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Distance to: Croat_Dalmatia

0.68651293 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
1.07777549 Serb_B&H
1.26435754 Bosniak
1.70604806 Croat_Tropolje
1.78073019 Croat_Istria
1.86359867 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
1.95025639 Croat_Herzegovina
1.97420870 Croat_Bosnia
2.06128601 Croat_Lika-Senj
2.11764020 Croat
2.34923165 Bosniak_Sarajevo
2.55376193 Serb_Croatia
2.60871616 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
2.78053952 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
3.03633002 Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia
3.07582509 Serb_B&H_Krajina
3.20822868 Hungarian_Csango
3.23711291 Serb
3.35442991 Croat_Slavonia
3.57240815 Moldova_North
3.73425579 Hungarian_Transylvania
3.75926855 Serb_Serbia
4.46879273 Hungarian_Szekely
4.93482522 Croat_Zagreb
5.14808702 Romania_Moldavia_North

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Distance to: Croat_Gorski-kotar

0.94104033 Hungarian_Budapest
1.30134453 Hungarian_Transdanubia
1.37823557 Hungarian
1.71175349 Croat_Central
2.39320147 Slovenian
2.62595934 Hungarian_Alfold
2.83593018 Croat_Zagorje
3.19479264 Croat_Zagreb
3.98111070 Hungarian_Northern
4.87306885 Croat
5.57480383 Hungarian_Transylvania
5.61715473 Slovak
5.77698018 Croat_Lika-Senj
5.78899819 Croat_Bosnia
6.02970978 Croat_Slavonia
6.09313548 Moldova_North
6.31249357 Hungarian_Szekely
6.54484530 Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
6.58236280 Czech
6.64104660 Austrian
6.66652833 Croat_Tropolje
6.71949403 Croat_Dalmatia
7.02668485 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
7.18804563 East_German
7.42736831 Croat_Istria

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Distance to: Croat_Herzegovina

1.12751940 Croat_Istria
1.53449318 Bosniak_Sarajevo
1.60894375 Bosniak
1.79371124 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
1.95025639 Croat_Dalmatia
1.98229665 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
2.22764450 Croat_Lika-Senj
2.29013100 Croat_Tropolje
2.42608739 Serb_B&H
2.61637153 Croat_Bosnia
2.90924389 Croat
3.10853663 Serb_Croatia
3.20201499 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
3.26617513 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
3.40731566 Moldova_North
3.68059778 Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia
3.77960315 Serb
3.99429593 Serb_Serbia
4.01932830 Serb_B&H_Krajina
4.02642521 Croat_Slavonia
4.16365600 Hungarian_Csango
4.40745959 Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
5.10774901 Romania_Moldavia_North
5.23130003 Moldova_Centre
5.25540674 Serb_Herzegovina

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Distance to: Croat_Istria

1.12751940 Croat_Herzegovina
1.77535912 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
1.78073019 Croat_Dalmatia
1.79131237 Bosniak
1.86711007 Croat_Lika-Senj
2.07231754 Croat_Bosnia
2.16705853 Bosniak_Sarajevo
2.23159136 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
2.30876590 Serb_B&H
2.50139961 Croat_Tropolje
2.63874970 Croat
3.14749106 Serb_Croatia
3.23109888 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
3.47493885 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
3.63938182 Moldova_North
3.64396762 Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia
3.88964009 Serb
4.15784800 Serb_B&H_Krajina
4.20374833 Serb_Serbia
4.29427016 Hungarian_Csango
4.31923604 Croat_Slavonia
4.56383611 Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
5.07059168 Croat_Zagreb
5.30564745 Hungarian_Transylvania
5.42398378 Serb_Herzegovina

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Distance to: Croat_Lika-Senj

1.15112988 Croat
1.45244621 Croat_Bosnia
1.86711007 Croat_Istria
2.06128601 Croat_Dalmatia
2.16138844 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
2.22764450 Croat_Herzegovina
2.31255270 Croat_Tropolje
2.49899980 Moldova_North
2.70856050 Bosniak
2.78555608 Bosniak_Sarajevo
3.02900974 Serb_B&H
3.41107021 Croat_Zagreb
3.44826043 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
3.48945554 Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
3.57081223 Croat_Slavonia
3.88156255 Hungarian_Alfold
4.17668604 Hungarian_Csango
4.32269592 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
4.41581250 Serb_Croatia
4.44865251 Hungarian_Transylvania
4.65083863 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
4.79952963 Slovenian
4.89773417 Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia
4.92896132 Hungarian
5.04053569 Serb_B&H_Krajina

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Distance to: Croat_Slavonia

2.69105927 Croat_Tropolje
3.19530906 Croat
3.35442991 Croat_Dalmatia
3.54588494 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
3.57081223 Croat_Lika-Senj
3.66731509 Bosniak
3.72186520 Hungarian_Transylvania
3.91831596 Serb_B&H
3.96058077 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
4.00039781 Bosniak_Sarajevo
4.01037405 Moldova_North
4.02642521 Croat_Herzegovina
4.06089859 Hungarian_Szekely
4.08458459 Hungarian_Csango
4.11097312 Croat_Bosnia
4.31923604 Croat_Istria
4.61259146 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
4.81784184 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
4.83736499 Serb_B&H_Krajina
4.91105895 Serb_Croatia
5.13123888 Hungarian_Alfold
5.17970076 Serb
5.30131116 Croat_Zagreb
5.41552398 Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia
5.46797998 Hungarian

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Distance to: Croat_Tropolje

1.70604806 Croat_Dalmatia
1.73311858 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
1.95530049 Bosniak
2.29013100 Croat_Herzegovina
2.29790252 Bosniak_Sarajevo
2.31255270 Croat_Lika-Senj
2.32056028 Serb_B&H
2.32275698 Croat
2.46795462 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
2.50139961 Croat_Istria
2.69105927 Croat_Slavonia
2.76034418 Moldova_North
3.06168254 Croat_Bosnia
3.39275699 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
3.52044031 Serb_B&H_Krajina
3.53150110 Serb_Croatia
3.69226218 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
3.99016682 Hungarian_Csango
4.05552709 Serb
4.07956693 Hungarian_Transylvania
4.15953122 Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia
4.53708056 Serb_Serbia
4.59312530 Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
4.90561923 Croat_Zagreb
4.94189433 Hungarian_Szekely

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Distance to: Croat_Zagorje

2.04000000 Croat_Central
2.55418730 Hungarian_Northern
2.83593018 Croat_Gorski-kotar
2.89851584 Hungarian_Budapest
3.29250215 Slovenian
3.35085900 Hungarian
3.48236937 Slovak
3.55965945 Hungarian_Transdanubia
3.85918995 Hungarian_Alfold
4.22217953 Croat_Zagreb
4.39515642 Czech
6.56037346 Croat
6.68087569 Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
6.91235126 Moldova_North
6.97298358 East_German
7.20569219 Croat_Lika-Senj
7.37074623 German_east
7.37216386 Austrian
7.60858725 Croat_Bosnia
7.64022905 Croat_Slavonia
7.75638322 Hungarian_Transylvania
8.18846139 Croat_Tropolje
8.59559771 Croat_Dalmatia
8.60794514 Hungarian_Szekely
8.64915603 South_Polish

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Distance to: Croat_Zagreb

1.30296886 Hungarian_Alfold
1.62765356 Slovenian
2.51856302 Hungarian
2.79410093 Croat_Central
2.89380373 Croat
3.19479264 Croat_Gorski-kotar
3.41107021 Croat_Lika-Senj
3.43018197 Hungarian_Budapest
3.74021390 Moldova_North
3.74061492 Croat_Bosnia
3.81296473 Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
4.17612564 Hungarian_Transdanubia
4.22217953 Croat_Zagorje
4.27742951 Hungarian_Northern
4.90561923 Croat_Tropolje
4.93482522 Croat_Dalmatia
5.07059168 Croat_Istria
5.13988327 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
5.30131116 Croat_Slavonia
5.42024733 Slovak
5.42608072 Hungarian_Transylvania
5.43341513 Croat_Herzegovina
5.87661944 Bosniak_Sarajevo
5.87827356 Serb_B&H
5.90219451 Bosniak

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Originally Posted by ph2ter

Kajkavian is very archaic and form a dialectal continuum with Eastern Slovene dialects despite being politically separated from Slovenian lands for 1000 years. There do not exist common inovations with shtokavian. But at the same time it is so much different from Slovenian that it can be regarded as a separate language. Actually it was a literary language from 16th century.

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I see this map posted around, mostly by Serbs though.
https://i.imgur.com/05aQida.jpg

In the lower right corner says University of Illinois-Indiana, but there are gramatical errors, it says at the time of Hungarian conquess instead of conquest. Map can't be found anywhere and posted mostly by Serbs which brings some suspicion.

Top 15 closest populations to Croat average without regions

Distance to: Croat

3.07496341 Bosniak
4.09389603 Slovenian
4.09871139 Hungarian
4.73789306 Szekely
5.30459235 Serb
8.17011983 Slovak
8.26184604 Moldovan
9.41911355 Montenegrin
10.33692894 Czech
10.63314159 Romanian
11.03090813 Macedonian
11.08558072 Austrian
13.31537082 Bulgarian
13.94487720 Ukrainian
16.00812606 Gagauz

and closest model

Target: Croat
Distance: 0.5091% / 0.50909185 | ADC: 0.25x

57.0 Bosniak
32.0 Slovenian
11.0 Hungarian

Feiichy averages added