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03-06-2018, 05:55 PM
Vlatko Vukovic

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Originally Posted by MalinBot

ignore k15 results and change the subject to fit you, shithead.
I never said you cant score amerindian, however the total score on the typical k13/k15/mldpk he has is noticeable higger than average,i clearly said its not atypical to score some siberian or amerindian but its usually only 1 or 2 components and they are low.
Now vlatko can be bosnian/bosniak,its fine, but neither you nor stearsolina call him typical,he is not and if he is than Bosniensis is too.

We don't have many Bosniak samples so we don't have average. One thing is sure: My all recent ancestors are from Balkan.

I scored just 1.65 Siberian and some Amerindian about 0.55. That's all from Mongoloids.
03-06-2018, 06:00 PM
Leto

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Originally Posted by MalinBot

ignore k15 results and change the subject to fit you, shithead.
I never said you cant score amerindian, however the total score on the typical k13/k15/mldpk he has is noticeable higger than average,i clearly said its not atypical to score some siberian or amerindian but its usually only 1 or 2 components and they are low.
Now vlatko can be bosnian/bosniak,its fine, but neither you nor stearsolina call him typical,he is not and if he is than Bosniensis is too.

How many Bosnians have you seen? 2-3? What if those people aren't typical? And why can't there be any diversity among the Bosnians? You see variations in places like Sicily or Greece, why should all Bosnians be the same?
03-06-2018, 06:05 PM
MalinBot

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Originally Posted by Leto

How many Bosnians have you seen? 2-3? What if those people aren't typical? And why can't there be any diversity among the Bosnians? You see variations in places like Sicily or Greece, why should all Bosnians be the same?

you posted those bosniaks , not me and you called vlatko typical.Now those arent typical?
Btw i think the second bosniak has typical bosnian plot on k15 and baltic score,the first one has very high baltic and plot very east,more eastern than a moldovian!..therefore atypical.
03-06-2018, 06:07 PM
Leto

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Originally Posted by MalinBot

you posted those bosniaks , not me and you called vlatko typical.Now those arent typical?
Btw i think the second bosniak has typical bosnian plot on k15 and baltic score,the first one has very high baltic and plot very east,more eastern than a moldovian!..therefore atypical.

I never used the word typical to begin with.
03-06-2018, 06:08 PM
Jana

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Originally Posted by RN97

wrong and misleading. The north became catholic while the south not.

Albania was eastern in times of schism. It was never part of western sphere (but it had influences). What's not clear to you ?
03-06-2018, 06:10 PM
MalinBot

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Originally Posted by Leto

I never used the word typical to begin with.

i called him atypical ,you and Stearsolina contradicted me.
03-06-2018, 06:11 PM
Jana

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Originally Posted by MalinBot

From where did Vlatko's high eastern input and asian markers come from, if not from a recent russian ancestor?6th slavic immigrant heritage is out of the question, that was 1500 years ago.

Minimal asian input is usual in southeastern Europe. Btw, his eastern European score isn't nothing strange for ethnic Bosniak, I have sample of northwestern Croat who scored 100% eastern European on FTDNA, and who doesn't have any known foreign ancestry.
03-06-2018, 06:13 PM
Jana

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Originally Posted by MalinBot

I saw the gedmatch of the 2 bosnians you posted and neither had this asian and lower steppe, also he tested at ftdna not 23andme/ancestry and i saw on this forum people who tested at both got quite different gedmatch results as if they were different people.

Two Bosnians he posted could be anything, he only knows their surname sounds Bosniak. If Bosniak cluster with Bulgarians, that is very atypical and sign of some other ancestry (except for people in Sandžak)
03-06-2018, 06:14 PM
Leto

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Originally Posted by MalinBot

i called him atypical ,you and Stearsolina contradicted me.

MDLP World Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_and_West_European 41.7
2 North_and_East_European 38.67
3 Caucaus_Parsia 11.13
4 Middle_East 6.65
5 Arctic_Amerind 0.76
6 Mesoamerican 0.7
7 Paleo_African 0.29
8 North_Asian 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian 2.51
2 Croatian 2.6
3 Hungarian 3.39
4 Slovenian 5.28
5 Austrian 5.55
6 Croatian_V 5.8
7 German_V 5.87
8 Czech 7
9 Serbian 7.02
10 German 7.02
11 CEU_V 7.43
12 Slovakian 8.01
13 German-North 8.14
14 Latvian_V 8.48
15 German-South 8.82
16 CEU 9.14
17 Macedonian 9.56
18 Norwegian_V 9.58
19 Montenegrin 9.72
20 Welsh 9.79

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.5% Bosnian + 21.5% Latvian_V @ 0.98
2 89.6% Bosnian + 10.4% Mordovian @ 1.11
3 86.2% German-North + 13.8% Druze @ 1.14
4 83% Swedish + 17% Jew_Georgia @ 1.19
5 86.7% German-North + 13.3% Jew_Georgia @ 1.19
6 61.5% Macedonian + 38.5% Russian_South @ 1.23
7 84.9% Bosnian + 15.1% Ukrainian-Center @ 1.23
8 56.1% Montenegrin + 43.9% Ukrainian-Center @ 1.25
9 83.1% Bosnian + 16.9% Ukrainian_V @ 1.25
10 86.6% Bosnian + 13.4% Ukrainian-East @ 1.26
11 87.5% Bosnian + 12.5% Russian_South @ 1.27
12 82.4% Czech + 17.6% Greek_Azov @ 1.28
13 88.5% Bosnian + 11.5% Russian_V @ 1.29
14 92.2% Bosnian + 7.8% Inkeri @ 1.29
15 56.5% Macedonian + 43.5% Ukrainian-Center @ 1.29
16 91.8% Bosnian + 8.2% Russian_North @ 1.3
17 85.9% German-North + 14.1% Lebanese @ 1.31
18 82.5% Bosnian + 17.5% Ukrainian-West @ 1.32
19 83.7% Swedish + 16.3% Jew-Iraqi @ 1.32
20 94.1% Bosnian + 5.9% Vepsa @ 1.32

Very small distance.
03-06-2018, 06:15 PM
MalinBot

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Minimal asian input is usual in southeastern Europe. Btw, his eastern European score isn't nothing strange for ethnic Bosniak, I have sample of northwestern Croat who scored 100% eastern European on FTDNA, and who doesn't have any known foreign ancestry.

ethnic croat with russian score? Give me a break.And how can you call that result typical when the context you say it implies its atypical !? Weres your logic?

On a sidenote, ftdna,myheritage and its kind are crap, take 23andme where only russians and their kind get stuff like 100% east european.
03-06-2018, 06:17 PM
MalinBot

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Originally Posted by Leto

MDLP World Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_and_West_European 41.7
2 North_and_East_European 38.67
3 Caucaus_Parsia 11.13
4 Middle_East 6.65
5 Arctic_Amerind 0.76
6 Mesoamerican 0.7
7 Paleo_African 0.29
8 North_Asian 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian 2.51
2 Croatian 2.6
3 Hungarian 3.39
4 Slovenian 5.28
5 Austrian 5.55
6 Croatian_V 5.8
7 German_V 5.87
8 Czech 7
9 Serbian 7.02
10 German 7.02
11 CEU_V 7.43
12 Slovakian 8.01
13 German-North 8.14
14 Latvian_V 8.48
15 German-South 8.82
16 CEU 9.14
17 Macedonian 9.56
18 Norwegian_V 9.58
19 Montenegrin 9.72
20 Welsh 9.79

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.5% Bosnian + 21.5% Latvian_V @ 0.98
2 89.6% Bosnian + 10.4% Mordovian @ 1.11
3 86.2% German-North + 13.8% Druze @ 1.14
4 83% Swedish + 17% Jew_Georgia @ 1.19
5 86.7% German-North + 13.3% Jew_Georgia @ 1.19
6 61.5% Macedonian + 38.5% Russian_South @ 1.23
7 84.9% Bosnian + 15.1% Ukrainian-Center @ 1.23
8 56.1% Montenegrin + 43.9% Ukrainian-Center @ 1.25
9 83.1% Bosnian + 16.9% Ukrainian_V @ 1.25
10 86.6% Bosnian + 13.4% Ukrainian-East @ 1.26
11 87.5% Bosnian + 12.5% Russian_South @ 1.27
12 82.4% Czech + 17.6% Greek_Azov @ 1.28
13 88.5% Bosnian + 11.5% Russian_V @ 1.29
14 92.2% Bosnian + 7.8% Inkeri @ 1.29
15 56.5% Macedonian + 43.5% Ukrainian-Center @ 1.29
16 91.8% Bosnian + 8.2% Russian_North @ 1.3
17 85.9% German-North + 14.1% Lebanese @ 1.31
18 82.5% Bosnian + 17.5% Ukrainian-West @ 1.32
19 83.7% Swedish + 16.3% Jew-Iraqi @ 1.32
20 94.1% Bosnian + 5.9% Vepsa @ 1.32

Very small distance.

its irrelevant, mixed people can score that too, that does not make him typical bosnian, having that baltic score with an atypical asian score can't make him a typical bosniak.
03-06-2018, 06:17 PM
Jana

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Originally Posted by MalinBot

ethnic croat with russian score? Give me a break.And how can you call that result typical when the context you say it implies its atypical !? Weres your logic?

On a sidenote, ftdna,myheritage and its kind are crap, take 23andme where only russians and their kind get stuff like 100% east european.

No wrong. Russians get less EE than that. Polish user explained me Czechs are used as reference in FTDNA easten european cluster and that is why this Croat gets 100% percent, he is genetically very close to west slavs.

He gets quite different results on DNA land though.

And he doesn't cluster with Russians, but close to Slovenes, Hungarians and Slovaks like other north-west Croats.
03-06-2018, 06:19 PM
Jana

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Originally Posted by MalinBot

its irrelevant, mixed people can score that too, that does not make him typical bosnian, having that baltic score with an atypical asian score can't make him a typical bosniak.

Which sockpuppet are you and what the hell do you know about Bosniak genetics ?

Bosniaks are closest to Croats, and Vlatko clusters bit more southeastern than Croatian average on K15, and he is as typical as it gets.
03-06-2018, 06:20 PM
Leto

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Originally Posted by MalinBot

its irrelevant, mixed people can score that too, that does not make him typical bosnian, having that baltic score with an atypical asian score can't make him a typical bosniak.

Yeah, but K15 results (they have no Bosnian reference) are somehow "relevant". :rolleyes:
Why are you so preoccupied with his results? Typical or not, why do you care? He is what he is, a Bosnian just as his parents and grandparents.
03-06-2018, 06:21 PM
Jana

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Originally Posted by Leto

Yeah, but K15 results (they have no Bosnian reference) are somehow "relevant". :rolleyes:
Why are you so preoccupied with his results? Typical or not, why do you care? He is what he is, a Bosnian just as his parents and grandparents.

I think it is sock account of formerly banned user.
03-06-2018, 06:21 PM
MalinBot

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Two Bosnians he posted could be anything, he only knows their surname sounds Bosniak. If Bosniak cluster with Bulgarians, that is very atypical and sign of some other ancestry (except for people in Sandžak)

Now they arent bosniak? pathetic attempt.
Did they you this at college?
What about bosniak scoring east of Moldova?
The second one scores between serb and croat and very close on calculators to bosnians 1.50 or so and small distances,he is much less slavic and more balkan which is as expected, MUCH more typical than vlatko, adding the fact that as you say his name sounds bosniak.
03-06-2018, 06:22 PM
Jana

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Originally Posted by MalinBot

Now they arent bosniak? pathetic attempt.
Did they you this at college?
What about bosniak scoring east of Moldova?
The second one scores between serb and croat and very close on calculators to bosnians 1.50 or so and small distances,he is much less slavic and more balkan which is as expected, MUCH more typical than vlatko, adding the fact that as you say his name sounds bosniak.

Deymark, why does it bother you Bosniaks are less Balkan than you imagine ?

I know, you are mad because average Bosniak clusters more northern than average Romanian.

Deal with it.
03-06-2018, 06:22 PM
Vlatko Vukovic

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Originally Posted by Leto

Why are you so preoccupied with his results?

Becouse he is sockpuppet of Serb/Bosniak from this forum. Even possible Romanian or Macedonian.
03-06-2018, 06:24 PM
Leto

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Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic

Becouse he is sockpuppet of Serb/Bosniak from this forum. Even possible Romanian or Macedonian.

I have zero tolerance to fucking sock puppets. If I was in charge, they would be banned immediately and with no excuses.
03-06-2018, 06:26 PM
Vlatko Vukovic

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Originally Posted by MalinBot

What about bosniak scoring east of Moldova?

Deymark just stop. You can't change the reallity.

Actually, the Romanians wants to prove that Bosniaks are their relatives - Vlachs, who are just speaking Slavic language, and my results proved otherwise. Now, he wants to impose me some East Slavic recent ancestry which i don't have.
03-06-2018, 06:27 PM
MalinBot

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

No wrong. Russians get less EE than that. Polish user explained me Czechs are used as reference in FTDNA easten european cluster and that is why this Croat gets 100% percent, he is genetically very close to west slavs.

He gets quite different results on DNA land though.

And he doesn't cluster with Russians, but close to Slovenes, Hungarians and Slovaks like other north-west Croats.

and your point? do i have to ask you this everytime?
If 100% is what czechs score than the croatian guy is atypical or the test is shit, nevertheless the only thing it proves is to not do FTDNA on the future.
03-06-2018, 06:30 PM
Tommie

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Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic

Actually, the Romanians wants to prove that Bosniaks are their relatives - Vlachs, who are just speaking Slavic language, and my results proved otherwise. Now, he wants to impose me some East Slavic recent ancestry which i don't have.

Which Romanians? I haven't noticed any claiming that.
03-06-2018, 06:30 PM
The Illyrian Warrior

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Originally Posted by Leto

Don't argue with Muslim Albanians. They hate Christianity and feel out of place in other European countries. For example, Germans associate Albanians with Islamic people like Turks (not surprising given the amount of fake-ass refugees from Kosovo and Macedonia). They especially hate Serbs and Greeks who happen to be Orthodox Christians. I mean yes Albanians are Europeans genetically but due to the Ottoman cultural influence they were cut off from the rest of Southern Europe (excluding Christian Albanians).

You are trying to separate people deliberately here I think, if you followed me from beginning or heard any Albanian and not hear your gopnik instincts you'd know that Albanians have no problem with Christians esp. not with Albanians of Christian religion, we are blood brothers and more attached one with another than you russians would think of, however I can't stand hypocrisy being played over by few western or eastern christians here.
03-06-2018, 06:31 PM
MalinBot

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Originally Posted by Leto

Yeah, but K15 results (they have no Bosnian reference) are somehow "relevant". :rolleyes:
Why are you so preoccupied with his results? Typical or not, why do you care? He is what he is, a Bosnian just as his parents and grandparents.

YOU have used K15/mdpl as a way to prove Vlatko is typical for Bosnia.
Its game over for you ,stop replying, you are embarassing yourself at this point.

YOU have posted the bosniak samples, one of them scores perfectly fine bosnian between croat and serb as Stearsolin above says ,the other one has VERY HIGH baltic score and plots very far, EAST of Moldovia, a country who is a russified Romania
03-06-2018, 06:33 PM
MalinBot

This Stearsolina simply does not want Bosniaks to cluster closer to serbs, because her grandfather is bosniak, so she tries to pass this east slav admixed vlatko, or that fake gedmatch of leto, as typical bosniak, she has a deep hatred for serbs which she shows when she is not faking her personality.
03-06-2018, 06:33 PM
Vlatko Vukovic

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Originally Posted by Edgabe

Which Romanians? I haven't noticed any claiming that.

This guy "MalinBot" is Romanian sockpuppet of Deymark. He always claimed that we are balkanite vlach genetically, and he can't accept my Eastern Euro high results as real.
03-06-2018, 06:34 PM
Vlatko Vukovic

Quote:

Originally Posted by MalinBot

This Stearsolina simply does not want Bosniaks to cluster closer to serbs, because her grandfather is bosniak, so she tries to pass this east slav admixed vlatko, or that fake gedmatch of leto, as typical bosniak.

I give the code to Leto myself.
03-06-2018, 06:34 PM
Leto

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Originally Posted by The Illyrian Warrior

You are trying to separate people deliberately here I think, if you followed me from beginning or heard any Albanian and not hear your gopnik instincts you'd know that Albanians have no problem with Christians esp. not with Albanians of Christian religion, we are blood brothers and more attached one with another than you russians would think of, however I can't stand hypocrisy being played over by few western or eastern christians here.

You are the gopnik here. You attack us because we don't wanna live with Muzzies. Seriously, dude, do you feel close to Arabs, Turks, Afghans, Pakis, etc.? I don't think you would like them to flood Albania, even if most Albanians share their religion. And with us they don't share anything. So you are the hypocrit here.
03-06-2018, 06:36 PM
Vlatko Vukovic

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Originally Posted by Leto

You are the gopnik here. You attack us because we don't wanna live with Muzzies. Seriously, dude, do you feel close to Arabs, Turks, Afghans, Pakis, etc.? I don't think you would like them to flood Albania, even if most Albanians share their religion. And with us they don't share anything. So you are the hypocrit here.

Bro, there is no need to relate them with Pakis and Arabs. Albanians are ancient Balkanites and Europeans. Nothing in common they have with Arabs and Pakis, from language until the genetics and history. Only religion is their connection.
03-06-2018, 06:36 PM
MalinBot

Typical attempt at changing the subject when confronted with arguments they cant argue with.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Deymark, why does it bother you Bosniaks are less Balkan than you imagine ?

I know, you are mad because average Bosniak clusters more northern than average Romanian.

Deal with it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic

Becouse he is sockpuppet of Serb/Bosniak from this forum. Even possible Romanian or Macedonian.

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Originally Posted by Leto

I have zero tolerance to fucking sock puppets. If I was in charge, they would be banned immediately and with no excuses.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic

This guy "MalinBot" is Romanian sockpuppet of Deymark. He always claimed that we are balkanite vlach genetically, and he can't accept my Eastern Euro high results as real.
03-06-2018, 06:37 PM
Leto

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Originally Posted by MalinBot

YOU have used K15/mdpl as a way to prove Vlatko is typical for Bosnia.
Its game over for you ,stop replying, you are embarassing yourself at this point.

YOU have posted the bosniak samples, one of them scores perfectly fine bosnian between croat and serb as Stearsolin above says ,the other one has VERY HIGH baltic score and plots very far, EAST of Moldovia, a country who is a russified Romania

Wrong. I simply placed him on the map. And I gave the only Bosnian kit numbers I have. I wasn't trying to prove anything.
03-06-2018, 06:40 PM
MalinBot

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Originally Posted by Leto

Wrong. I simply placed him on the map. And I gave the only Bosnian kit numbers I have. I wasn't trying to prove anything.

Then who made your last pages posts?Are you retarded?
You have no arguments to reply because IF you had you would posted them , that now you act the 'I am insane' card?
03-06-2018, 06:40 PM
Leto

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Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic

Bro, there is no need to relate them with Pakis and Arabs. Albanians are ancient Balkanites and Europeans. Nothing in common they have with Arabs and Pakis, from language until the genetics and history. Only religion is their connection.

I know the Illyrian Warrior. He is an Albanian nationalist himself and puts his ethnic group first, but just because he has anti-Christian, anti-Slavic (and anti-Russian by the way) sentiments and comes from a Muslim background, he always says Islam is better than Christianity and that the West should accept Muslims. Basically he denies other people what he wishes for his own people - preserving their identity.
03-06-2018, 06:42 PM
Vlatko Vukovic

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Originally Posted by Leto

I know the Illyrian Warrior. He is an Albanian nationalist himself and puts his ethnic group first, but just because he has anti-Christian, anti-Slavic (and anti-Russian by the way) sentiments and comes from a Muslim background, he always says Islam is better than Christianity and that the West should accept Muslims. Basically he denies other people what he wishes for his own people - preserving their identity.

He is primarly anti-Serb.

And.. he is just one example. Average Albanians are not religious :)
03-06-2018, 06:45 PM
brasilianthor

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Originally Posted by The Illyrian Warrior

If anything for sake of argument Orthodoxy is one of the least evolved & most primitive kind of christianity, therefore backward in my book and so are countries whom their people practice this religion, I can attest this better than you in America who barely know more than dozen of Orthodox there.

Stats usually can be misused or ill interpreted on the way you like, so I won't really bother to answer one by one.

the least evolved christianity is still more evolved than turkish faith albanians took from their masters.
03-06-2018, 06:47 PM
Kelmendasi

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Originally Posted by brasilianthor

the least evolved christianity is still more evolved than turkish faith albanians took from their masters.

Explain how
03-06-2018, 06:47 PM
Leto

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Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic

He is primarly anti-Serb.

And.. he is just one example. Average Albanians are not religious :)

I never said he or they were religious or anything like that. Yet he clearly defends Islam because it is practiced by a majority of Albanians and because he lives in another country where people associate Albanians with Muslims. Otherwise why would a non-Muslim ethnic nationalist defend a foreign religion/ideology?
03-06-2018, 06:51 PM
Vlatko Vukovic

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Originally Posted by Leto

I never said he or they were religious or anything like that. Yet he clearly defends Islam because it is practiced by a majority of Albanians and because he lives in another country where people associate Albanians with Muslims. Otherwise why would a non-Muslim ethnic nationalist defend a foreign religion/ideology?

No, no. I didn't speak about him. But about Albanians objectively. They are not very religious people, and they are united in Albanian nationalism (muslims,chatolics, orthodox). They are not Islamic oriented.
03-06-2018, 07:09 PM
Jana

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Originally Posted by MalinBot

This Stearsolina simply does not want Bosniaks to cluster closer to serbs, because her grandfather is bosniak, so she tries to pass this east slav admixed vlatko, or that fake gedmatch of leto, as typical bosniak, she has a deep hatred for serbs which she shows when she is not faking her personality.

The fact you hate Bosniaks and have unsound mind doens't make me like you. You even claimed Bosniaks are Albanians :lol:
And genetics clearly show how Bosnia is closer to Croatia, than to Serbia. And Bosnian Serbs can get similar results like Vlatko, because there is not much genetic difference between 3 nations in BiH.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...e.0135820.g002
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...e.0135820.g003
https://i.imgur.com/mRpfIqS.png
03-06-2018, 07:16 PM
RN97

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Albania was eastern in times of schism. It was never part of western sphere (but it had influences). What's not clear to you ?

No, the northern part did actually become catholic and was sort of a catholic outpost in the region. I mean, seriously, do you think that Venetian rule is the reason for Catholicism being so wide-spread in Albania? If you didn't know, there is even a ethnic Romanian here that's a catholic. Catholicism is not as limited as you'd like to think, but I just am trolling you since you sorta act like there is something special with orthodox Christianity just because of "muh schism" when you're basically ignoring so many splits and wars after the schism. Listen, you might know I'm not the biggest fan of Christianity, but Orthodox Christianity is basically the same as Catholicism in the grander scheme of things. Cultural differences are mostly from other sources.

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