South Slavic & neighbours gedmatch results - vol.2

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10-11-2020, 02:46 PM
Jana

Romanians-Moldovans have Turkic admixture. Not sure about Bulgarians, maybe they have some, but less than Romanians.
And ofcourse let's not forget Balkan Turks.
10-11-2020, 02:46 PM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Interesting results. Even a bit of Mongoloid spice.
I typically "celebrate" Mongoloid traces in other (Eastern) Europeans not because I like it very much but because I don't feel so alone with that :roll eyes

I have seen her photos and she look quite Slavic. She is wife of Sova (Сова) who posted her results on forum from the link.
Btw Sova's results is included in average for Vojvodinian Serbs by vbn.
10-11-2020, 02:48 PM
Thracian

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris596

By the way, how can I find out if these two components, Balkan Turks (Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi, Turk_Razgrad) represent West Asian or ,,regular'' Balkan ancestry here? I know they also have some East Asian admixture hidden in them. Are there people who get similar results on K13? Serbians, Croats, Romanians, Moldovans, and so on?

Target: Chris
Distance: 1.7939% / 1.79388025 | ADC: 0.25x
63.0 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
18.2 Romania_Moldavia_North
9.0 Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
5.6 Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi
3.0 Turk_Razgrad
0.8 Ukrainian_Belgorod
0.4 She

There is no Anatolian/West Asian ancestry among Balkan Turks. You probably get them because of your tiny East Eurasian otherwise there is no possibility for you to get 1/8 Balkan Turkish ancestry.

Spoiler!

Target: Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi
Distance: 2.4700% / 2.46996822 | ADC: 0.25x
40.0 Bulgaria_Northeastern
31.8 Nogay
13.0 Greek_Western-Thrace
7.0 Balkar
3.8 Macedonian_Central
2.6 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
1.8 AostaValley

Target: Turk_Razgrad
Distance: 2.2698% / 2.26983351 | ADC: 0.25x
86.0 Bulgaria_Northcentral
6.4 Turkmen
2.8 Uygur
1.8 North_German
1.8 North-Swedish
0.8 Malay
0.4 Yoruban
10-11-2020, 02:54 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varda

I have seen her photos and she look quite Slavic. She is wife of Sova (Сова) who posted her results on forum from the link.
Btw Sova's results is included in average for Vojvodinian Serbs by vbn.

Do you have her Dodecad?
10-11-2020, 03:03 PM
Varda

1 Attachment(s)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Do you have her Dodecad?

Unfortunately no.

Her ancient calculator result.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/at...6&d=1602428628
10-11-2020, 03:06 PM
WeirdLookingFellow

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Interesting results. Even a bit of Mongoloid spice.
I typically "celebrate" Mongoloid traces in other (Eastern) Europeans not because I like it very much but because I don't feel so alone with that :roll eyes

Ching Chong together stronk
10-11-2020, 03:10 PM
Ion Basescul

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Romanians-Moldovans have Turkic admixture. Not sure about Bulgarians, maybe they have some, but less than Romanians.
And ofcourse let's not forget Balkan Turks.

Proper weebs

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...cs-ZWuyzYMxz64
10-11-2020, 03:17 PM
Luke35

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow

Ching Chong together stronk

Ching Chonk together stronk.

Sorry, I'm a perfectionist.
10-11-2020, 03:26 PM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Do you have her Dodecad?

Earlier I had her Dodecad in my computer, but it's disappeared (maybe I deleted by accident). If I remember well she score between 43 and 43.5 North_European.
10-11-2020, 03:42 PM
Abriekman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Romanians-Moldovans have Turkic admixture. Not sure about Bulgarians, maybe they have some, but less than Romanians.
And ofcourse let's not forget Balkan Turks.

Bulgarians Turkic East Eurasian component is 1-2%.

Bulgarians have a lot of East Med admixture similiar to Anatolian and Western Asian. Interesting from whom?????
10-11-2020, 03:48 PM
Abriekman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varda

Unfortunately no.

Her ancient calculator result.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/at...6&d=1602428628

What calc is it
10-11-2020, 03:56 PM
Varda

Ojler (Velibor), Serb from Poreklo forum.
https://i.imgur.com/giYozhE.png

He posted only K15, could someone put him on the map?

Ojler's original post https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...2765#msg132765
10-11-2020, 04:33 PM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varda

Ojler (Velibor), Serb from Poreklo forum.
https://i.imgur.com/giYozhE.png

He posted only K15, could someone put him on the map?

Ojler's original post https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...2765#msg132765

:confused:

https://i.imgur.com/r0HRDwX.png
10-11-2020, 04:38 PM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

:confused:

https://i.imgur.com/r0HRDwX.png

By y dna he belong to Mirilović clan (I2-Y3120Z17855>PH3414). I don't know about his recent origin.

Mirilovići are recorded as vlach clan (as social status) in East Herzegovina in the middle age https://i.imgur.com/sK8HQ2E.jpg
10-11-2020, 04:41 PM
JohnnyP

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

That is because native Vojvodina Serbs (those who aren't recent settlers) have their ancestry from southern Serbia, Kosovo and sometimes north Macedonia.
Which is why it isn't strange he plots like that and why somebody like you wouldn't be suited to do such averages, because you simply don't know history of migrations in the area.

In past, 1920/25 when was expulsion of Macedonians from Aegea Macedonia todays North Greece , hundreds of Macedonian childrens were settled in Vojvodina also Hungary , Czech , Poland, Ukraine, but most of them in Vojvodina and Croatia.
10-11-2020, 04:42 PM
CommonSense

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

:confused:

Ojler tested with Dante Labs. The raw data they give is incompatible with gedmatch. He had to do some digging to find a way to convert them to an acceptable format, hence the weird results:

https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...9389#msg119389
10-11-2020, 04:54 PM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyP

In past, 1920/25 when was expulsion of Macedonians from Aegea Macedonia todays North Greece , hundreds of Macedonian childrens were settled in Vojvodina also Hungary , Czech , Poland, Ukraine, but most of them in Vojvodina and Croatia.

There is about 7500 people in Serbia with Aagean roots, mostly in Vojvodina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic...reek_Macedonia

Singer Petranka Kostadinova (1948-2002) is born in Sombor (Vojvodina, Bačka) in the family of Aegean refugees.

https://youtu.be/k7ZAfbaSJtk

https://youtu.be/Mp4dRknATe0
10-11-2020, 05:39 PM
Varda

Nikac (Никац) from Poreklo.

https://i.imgur.com/Uty6yy9.png

His post https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...3320#msg143320

According to his y dna (J-M67) he originated from Cuce clan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuce

And his nick is connected with Montenegrin and Cuce history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikac_Tomanović
10-11-2020, 06:08 PM
JohnnyP

Serbian-Macedonian Woman result from Kumanovo,
Mother from Serbia with surname Trickovic, father from Macedonia/Kumanovo surname Pejcinovski

M268958 - Daughter

Code:

Population North_Atlantic 25.16 Pct Baltic 25.09 Pct West_Med 18.31 Pct West_Asian 8.24 Pct East_Med 15.46 Pct Red_Sea 3.69 Pct South_Asian 0.72 Pct East_Asian - Siberian 1.72 Pct Amerindian - Oceanian 1.37 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan

AL8334778 - Mother

Code:

Population North_Atlantic 25.30 Pct Baltic 28.00 Pct West_Med 17.72 Pct West_Asian 11.52 Pct East_Med 11.97 Pct Red_Sea 1.78 Pct South_Asian 1.15 Pct East_Asian - Siberian 0.78 Pct Amerindian - Oceanian 0.63 Pct Northeast_African 0.98 Pct Sub-Saharan 0.16 Pct
10-11-2020, 06:10 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyP

Serbian-Macedonian result from Kumanovo,
Mother from Serbia with surname Trickovic, father from Macedonia/Kumanovo surname Pejcinovski

is it confirmed, or you are just gessing based on the surnames?
i think mingle messaged her about her ancestry long ago but she didn't respond.
10-11-2020, 06:15 PM
JohnnyP

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

is it confirmed, or you are just gessing based on the surnames?
i think mingle messaged her about her ancestry long ago but she didn't respond.

No broski im not guessing.
10-11-2020, 06:37 PM
Noble Cuman

Bosniak from Prijedor.
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.76
2 North_Atlantic 25.31
3 West_Med 19.05
4 West_Asian 9.34
5 East_Med 7.7
6 Red_Sea 3.83
7 South_Asian 1.84
8 Siberian 0.64
9 Oceanian 0.4
10 Amerindian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.38
2 Croatian 6.66
3 Serbian 8.71
4 Hungarian 9.32
5 Romanian 11.41
6 Austrian 11.61
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.73
8 East_German 11.91
9 South_Polish 13.23
10 Ukrainian 13.38
11 Bulgarian 13.43
12 Polish 16.09
13 Southwest_Russian 17.38
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.5
15 West_German 18.34
16 Russian_Smolensk 18.34
17 Estonian_Polish 19.04
18 South_Dutch 19.33
19 Belorussian 19.94
20 French 20.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.3% Moldavian + 8.7% French_Basque @ 4.05
2 87.7% Moldavian + 12.3% Southwest_French @ 4.1
3 88.4% Moldavian + 11.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.22
4 92.8% Moldavian + 7.2% Sardinian @ 4.26
5 87.4% Moldavian + 12.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.29
6 89.3% Croatian + 10.7% Sardinian @ 4.33
7 89.3% Moldavian + 10.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.36
8 90.2% Moldavian + 9.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.37
9 88.8% Moldavian + 11.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.42
10 89.7% Moldavian + 10.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.45
11 89.2% Moldavian + 10.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.48
12 79.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 20.4% Sardinian @ 4.48
13 88.9% Moldavian + 11.1% Portuguese @ 4.54
14 89.4% Moldavian + 10.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.58
15 90% Moldavian + 10% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.58
16 90.2% Moldavian + 9.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.61
17 88.5% Moldavian + 11.5% French @ 4.75
18 89.8% Moldavian + 10.2% North_Italian @ 4.8
19 90.5% Moldavian + 9.5% South_Dutch @ 5.01
20 92.9% Moldavian + 7.1% Southwest_English @ 5.02
10-11-2020, 06:39 PM
CommonSense

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varda

Nikac (Никац) from Poreklo.

https://i.imgur.com/Uty6yy9.png

His post https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...3320#msg143320

According to his y dna (J-M67) he originated from Cuce clan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuce

And his nick is connected with Montenegrin and Cuce history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikac_Tomanović

Did he say where he is from? His West Med score might be the highest I've seen, though vbn knows the exact stat.
10-11-2020, 06:41 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommonSense

Did he say where he is from? His West Med score might be the highest I've seen, though vbn knows the exact stat.

the highest is 22.59, one of those Podgorica Montenegrins you found long ago
10-11-2020, 06:52 PM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommonSense

Did he say where he is from? His West Med score might be the highest I've seen, though vbn knows the exact stat.

I don't know, but I guess he has recent connection with Montenegro.
The Devil's Advocate know about his origin for sure.
10-11-2020, 07:09 PM
Castor

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyP

In past, 1920/25 when was expulsion of Serbs from Aegea Macedonia todays North Greece , hundreds of Serbs childrens were settled in Vojvodina also Hungary , Czech , Poland, Ukraine, but most of them in Vojvodina and Croatia.

Мала исправка чокалијо, македонци не постоје и сам си копиле српско.
10-11-2020, 07:22 PM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abriekman

Bulgarians Turkic East Eurasian component is 1-2%.

Bulgarians have a lot of East Med admixture similiar to Anatolian and Western Asian. Interesting from whom?????

Byzantine ancestry I presume.
10-11-2020, 07:27 PM
CommonSense

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noble Cuman

Bosniak from Prijedor.
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.76
2 North_Atlantic 25.31
3 West_Med 19.05
4 West_Asian 9.34
5 East_Med 7.7
6 Red_Sea 3.83
7 South_Asian 1.84
8 Siberian 0.64
9 Oceanian 0.4
10 Amerindian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.38
2 Croatian 6.66
3 Serbian 8.71
4 Hungarian 9.32
5 Romanian 11.41
6 Austrian 11.61
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.73
8 East_German 11.91
9 South_Polish 13.23
10 Ukrainian 13.38
11 Bulgarian 13.43
12 Polish 16.09
13 Southwest_Russian 17.38
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.5
15 West_German 18.34
16 Russian_Smolensk 18.34
17 Estonian_Polish 19.04
18 South_Dutch 19.33
19 Belorussian 19.94
20 French 20.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.3% Moldavian + 8.7% French_Basque @ 4.05
2 87.7% Moldavian + 12.3% Southwest_French @ 4.1
3 88.4% Moldavian + 11.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.22
4 92.8% Moldavian + 7.2% Sardinian @ 4.26
5 87.4% Moldavian + 12.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.29
6 89.3% Croatian + 10.7% Sardinian @ 4.33
7 89.3% Moldavian + 10.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.36
8 90.2% Moldavian + 9.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.37
9 88.8% Moldavian + 11.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.42
10 89.7% Moldavian + 10.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.45
11 89.2% Moldavian + 10.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.48
12 79.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 20.4% Sardinian @ 4.48
13 88.9% Moldavian + 11.1% Portuguese @ 4.54
14 89.4% Moldavian + 10.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.58
15 90% Moldavian + 10% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.58
16 90.2% Moldavian + 9.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.61
17 88.5% Moldavian + 11.5% French @ 4.75
18 89.8% Moldavian + 10.2% North_Italian @ 4.8
19 90.5% Moldavian + 9.5% South_Dutch @ 5.01
20 92.9% Moldavian + 7.1% Southwest_English @ 5.02

Here's another one from the same municipality for comparison:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6629851
10-11-2020, 07:31 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommonSense

Here's another one from the same municipality for comparison:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6629851

and this one too:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6210881
10-11-2020, 07:33 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noble Cuman

Bosniak from Prijedor.
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.76
2 North_Atlantic 25.31
3 West_Med 19.05
4 West_Asian 9.34
5 East_Med 7.7
6 Red_Sea 3.83
7 South_Asian 1.84
8 Siberian 0.64
9 Oceanian 0.4
10 Amerindian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.38
2 Croatian 6.66
3 Serbian 8.71
4 Hungarian 9.32
5 Romanian 11.41
6 Austrian 11.61
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.73
8 East_German 11.91
9 South_Polish 13.23
10 Ukrainian 13.38
11 Bulgarian 13.43
12 Polish 16.09
13 Southwest_Russian 17.38
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.5
15 West_German 18.34
16 Russian_Smolensk 18.34
17 Estonian_Polish 19.04
18 South_Dutch 19.33
19 Belorussian 19.94
20 French 20.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.3% Moldavian + 8.7% French_Basque @ 4.05
2 87.7% Moldavian + 12.3% Southwest_French @ 4.1
3 88.4% Moldavian + 11.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.22
4 92.8% Moldavian + 7.2% Sardinian @ 4.26
5 87.4% Moldavian + 12.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.29
6 89.3% Croatian + 10.7% Sardinian @ 4.33
7 89.3% Moldavian + 10.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.36
8 90.2% Moldavian + 9.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.37
9 88.8% Moldavian + 11.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.42
10 89.7% Moldavian + 10.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.45
11 89.2% Moldavian + 10.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.48
12 79.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 20.4% Sardinian @ 4.48
13 88.9% Moldavian + 11.1% Portuguese @ 4.54
14 89.4% Moldavian + 10.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.58
15 90% Moldavian + 10% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.58
16 90.2% Moldavian + 9.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.61
17 88.5% Moldavian + 11.5% French @ 4.75
18 89.8% Moldavian + 10.2% North_Italian @ 4.8
19 90.5% Moldavian + 9.5% South_Dutch @ 5.01
20 92.9% Moldavian + 7.1% Southwest_English @ 5.02

is it confirmed? i'll add him to the Bosniak_Krajina average
10-11-2020, 07:38 PM
Noble Cuman

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

is it confirmed? i'll add him to the Bosniak_Krajina average

I asked him. He said he is from Bosanski Novi-Prijedor. Very close to Croatia.
10-11-2020, 07:43 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noble Cuman

I asked him. He said he is from Bosanski Novi-Prijedor. Very close to Croatia.

yes, it' the Bosanska Krajina region.

could you post the unsorted k13 results?
10-11-2020, 08:04 PM
Varda

1 Attachment(s)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noble Cuman

Bosniak from Prijedor.
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.76
2 North_Atlantic 25.31
3 West_Med 19.05
4 West_Asian 9.34
5 East_Med 7.7
6 Red_Sea 3.83
7 South_Asian 1.84
8 Siberian 0.64
9 Oceanian 0.4
10 Amerindian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.38
2 Croatian 6.66
3 Serbian 8.71
4 Hungarian 9.32
5 Romanian 11.41
6 Austrian 11.61
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.73
8 East_German 11.91
9 South_Polish 13.23
10 Ukrainian 13.38
11 Bulgarian 13.43
12 Polish 16.09
13 Southwest_Russian 17.38
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.5
15 West_German 18.34
16 Russian_Smolensk 18.34
17 Estonian_Polish 19.04
18 South_Dutch 19.33
19 Belorussian 19.94
20 French 20.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.3% Moldavian + 8.7% French_Basque @ 4.05
2 87.7% Moldavian + 12.3% Southwest_French @ 4.1
3 88.4% Moldavian + 11.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.22
4 92.8% Moldavian + 7.2% Sardinian @ 4.26
5 87.4% Moldavian + 12.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.29
6 89.3% Croatian + 10.7% Sardinian @ 4.33
7 89.3% Moldavian + 10.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.36
8 90.2% Moldavian + 9.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.37
9 88.8% Moldavian + 11.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.42
10 89.7% Moldavian + 10.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.45
11 89.2% Moldavian + 10.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.48
12 79.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 20.4% Sardinian @ 4.48
13 88.9% Moldavian + 11.1% Portuguese @ 4.54
14 89.4% Moldavian + 10.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.58
15 90% Moldavian + 10% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.58
16 90.2% Moldavian + 9.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.61
17 88.5% Moldavian + 11.5% French @ 4.75
18 89.8% Moldavian + 10.2% North_Italian @ 4.8
19 90.5% Moldavian + 9.5% South_Dutch @ 5.01
20 92.9% Moldavian + 7.1% Southwest_English @ 5.02

His first 4 components are similar as of this Serb from western Bosnia Attachment 102719

Surname of this Serbian guy is Kecman, it's common surname among Serbs from Bosanski Petrovac area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosanski_Petrovac
10-11-2020, 08:14 PM
Jana

Any samples from Dubica? Ethnicity doesn't matter
10-11-2020, 08:22 PM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Any samples from Dubica? Ethnicity doesn't matter

Dubica Serb, posted by vbn https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6552634
10-11-2020, 08:25 PM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varda

Dubica Serb, posted by vbn https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6552634

Thanks.
10-11-2020, 08:42 PM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Thanks.

He is orange square https://i.imgur.com/Q0CaIYv.png
10-11-2020, 08:45 PM
Kaspias

Any Gorani so far?
10-11-2020, 09:34 PM
CommonSense

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaspias

Any Gorani so far?

Only a couple of Y-DNA results on the Bosniak DNA Project. Not a single autosomal one of any kind yet though.
10-11-2020, 09:36 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommonSense

Only a couple of Y-DNA results on the Bosniak DNA Project. Not a single autosomal one of any kind yet though.

there was this result, but it isn't confirmed
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6467884

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