What's Your Y-DNA Haplogroup?

E1b1b1a1b.

Most likely E1b1b (E-V13).

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Originally Posted by The Illyrian Warrior

Most likely E1b1b (E-V13).

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Did you already tested yourself?

R1b-M269

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Originally Posted by Methusalem

Did you already tested yourself?

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Nope, unfortunately we still don't have DNA laboratories to conduct the DNA test over here. Not sure about Albania thou however as soon as DNA testing is available I'd do a DNA test. :)

PS. That's why I said "most likely".

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Originally Posted by The Illyrian Warrior

Nope, unfortunately we still don't have DNA laboratories to conduct the DNA test over here. Not sure about Albania thou however as soon as DNA testing is available I'd do a DNA test. :)

PS. That's why I said "most likely".

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You could order a 23andme kit and sent it to the US.^^

Keep the off topic out of it please.

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Originally Posted by Jackson

Thanks for sharing. It's probably because it's assuming you are a mixture, a British person with some degree of Greek ancestry would be probably close to a French person genetically.

Also i'm not sure about the whole tribes of Israel thing, seems hogwash. R1b-L21 is most common in the British Isles and northern France.

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I'm a British Greek mix and my one population match is France...

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Originally Posted by Graham

France I think has a ban against DNA testing. It's a illegal. Lack of identity culture. I'm guessing you're mainly Northern French.

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Probably because they want to Africanize France LOL. Prove the out of africa theory once europeans there have inter bred with enough blacks and other races. France is a sick joke.

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Originally Posted by NormanDePoer

Probably because they want to Africanize France LOL. Prove the out of africa theory once europeans there have inter bred with enough blacks and other races. France is a sick joke.

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It's because those tests, especially ones testing Y-DNA, can be construed as paternity tests which are punishable in France "to preserve peace in families" if taken without a court order.

The new BIG-Y from ftdna seems promising. But a little too expensive for me :p Has anyone here been thinking of buying it?

F.ex I just saw an interesting SNP tree for Y-DNA I1-L1302 made with two Norwegians from Trøndelag, two Swedes from Västerbotten and two Finns from Österbotten. Based on new findings made through BigY and fgc.

The first split is made about 1000 years ago:

https://scontent-a-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/...24711829_n.jpg

The two Norwegians are those mostly to the left, the two Swedes in the middle, and the two Finns on the right. As an example one can estimate that the split between the Västerbotten Swedes and Österbotten Finns happened on the 14th century. And that the split between the two Norwegians happened on the 17th century :)

Just got tested down to r1b-u106 Z1. At just the Z1 level there is 3 in england and 1 in finland according to the R1b-u106 group.

wheres my fins at?

R1b... guess I'm not that special :D

j2b m12..

I-L813 (I1a2e)

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L-813+ is a predominantly Scandinavian subclade, particularly common in southern Norway. It is also found in Britain (likely of Viking descent) and in the northern Netherlands (but not in Germany).

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Another person with I1 and U5! A good combo :)

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Originally Posted by Jackson

Another person with I1 and U5! A good combo :)

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We descend from the conquerors of the north.

:food-smiley-004:

I meant to vote R1b not R1a...some mod please fix?

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Originally Posted by classifymytits

I meant to vote R1b not R1a...some mod please fix?

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Your father or brother tested out to be R1b?

The correct answer is E1b1b.

I'm I2 not I2b* or I2a*, one of the oldest and rarest haplogroups in Europe.

R1b-U152*

Members Staff Percentage
I2a2 6 1 17%
E1b1b 31 3 10%
Other 12 1 9%
R1a 48 2 4%
R1b 80 3 4%
I1 28 0 0%
J2 14 0 0%
N1c1 11 0 0%
G2a 8 0 0%
I2b 6 0 0%
J1 6 0 0%
T 4 0 0%
I2a1 2 0 0%

E 31 3 10%
R 128 5 4%
I 42 1 2%
G 8 0 0%
T 4 0 0%
J 20 0 0%

Clear favouritism by EV13 Admin Loki, or are E1b1bs just naturally better with responsibility and management? :laugh:

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Originally Posted by Jaxman

Your father or brother tested out to be R1b?

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Yeah my dad did. I still think its a very weird result.

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Originally Posted by classifymytits

Yeah my dad did. I still think its a very weird result.

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What clade? With which company did he test?

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Originally Posted by classifymytits

Yeah my dad did. I still think its a very weird result.

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It's actually not that weird. R1b in the Balkans is an Anatolian marker, spread to the Balkans by neolithic farmers much the same way J was. I have 2 Turks on my 23andMe with R1b that shares with other Balkanites (an Albanian in my case). Solin is another member with this R1b.

lol Carlos I1

^^^ Probably even later than the neolithic (Bronze age) because no R1b so far has been found in neolithic remains in Europe.

R1b may be linked to the substantial West Asian component in the Balkans.

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Originally Posted by safinator

What clade? With which company did he test?

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https://www.familytreedna.com/

I think it was R1b1a1 or R1b1a2

Ftdna has a good resolution of Y-DNA, likely he was L-23 like me.

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Originally Posted by classifymytits

Yeah my dad did. I still think its a very weird result.

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Nah it's not that weird really. R1b exists among Serbs even though it is not the most common haplogroup.

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Originally Posted by Stefan_Dusan

I'm I2 not I2b* or I2a*, one of the oldest and rarest haplogroups in Europe.

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Wow, so surely this could not have been Slavic invasion??

You must descend from some of the first modern humans in the balkans.

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Originally Posted by 1stLightHorse

Wow, so surely this could not have been Slavic invasion??

You must descend from some of the first modern humans in the balkans.

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So do you all. YDNA is just one line of descent among millions.

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Originally Posted by Longbowman

So do you all. YDNA is just one line of descent among millions.

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What are you talking about?

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Originally Posted by 1stLightHorse

What are you talking about?

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You said you must descend from the first humans in the Balkans on account of his YDNA clade.

But of course, that's just one line amongst millions. In Cameroon a lot of people are R1b but they're not Indo-European. Similarly, not all my ancestors were E1b1b1c1a and not all of yours were I2a2a. Ultimately YDNA shows 1 line of descent and that's really it. He's no more descended from ancient Balkaners than you are, assuming similar ancestry.

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Originally Posted by Longbowman

You said you must descend from the first humans in the Balkans on account of his YDNA clade.

But of course, that's just one line amongst millions. In Cameroon a lot of people are R1b but they're not Indo-European. Similarly, not all my ancestors were E1b1b1c1a and not all of yours were I2a2a. Ultimately YDNA shows 1 line of descent and that's really it. He's no more descended from ancient Balkaners than you are, assuming similar ancestry.

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First of all, my point was that his subclade is not indicative of recent mutation. Haplogroup I people migrated into Europe via the Balkans/Anatolia. So, you've taken what i said as a broad statement but it was very specific. Stefan has made threads before about the y-dna of Illyrian people and the possibility that haplogroup I2 was introduced into the Balkans via Slavic invaders. My point is that since his subclade is more Archaic than the usual ones found in the Balkans, it's more likely that it pre-dated slavic invasion and that it has been there since very early on without much mutation. It definitely arrived before E1b, J2, R1b, R1a, etc etc.

I'm well aware of what Y-dna means.

And actually All of your direct paternal ancestors were E1b, and all of mine were I2a2a after mutation. That's what Y-dna is. An unbroken line of paternal ancestry. I was referring to Stefan's paternal line, not his autosomal DNA.

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Originally Posted by 1stLightHorse

First of all, my point was that his subclade is not indicative of recent mutation. Haplogroup I people migrated into Europe via the Balkans/Anatolia. So, you've taken what i said as a broad statement but it was very specific. Stefan has made threads before about the y-dna of Illyrian people and the possibility that haplogroup I2 was introduced into the Balkans via Slavic invaders. My point is that since his subclade is more Archaic than the usual ones found in the Balkans, it's more likely that it pre-dated slavic invasion and that it has been there since very early on without much mutation. It definitely arrived before E1b, J2, R1b, R1a, etc etc.

I'm well aware of what Y-dna means.

And actually All of your direct paternal ancestors were E1b, and all of mine were I2a2a after mutation. That's what Y-dna is. An unbroken line of paternal ancestry. I was referring to Stefan's paternal line, not his autosomal DNA.

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I said this.

Anyway my bad, I thought you were referring to his ancestry as a whole.

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Originally Posted by Longbowman

You said you must descend from the first humans in the Balkans on account of his YDNA clade.

But of course, that's just one line amongst millions. In Cameroon a lot of people are R1b but they're not Indo-European. Similarly, not all my ancestors were E1b1b1c1a and not all of yours were I2a2a. Ultimately YDNA shows 1 line of descent and that's really it. He's no more descended from ancient Balkaners than you are, assuming similar ancestry.

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Well that's obvious right?

When he said "You must descend from some of the first modern humans in the Balkans.", about Stefan Dusan's Y-haplogroup, in a thread about Y-haplogroups - the fact that he was talking about Y-haplogroups has already been made obvious by the context.

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Originally Posted by Jackson

Well that's obvious right?

When he said "You must descend from some of the first modern humans in the Balkans.", about Stefan Dusan's Y-haplogroup, in a thread about Y-haplogroups - the fact that he was talking about Y-haplogroups has already been made obvious by the context.

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Um...it's 3am, and I'm tired? That's a good excuse. I'll use that.

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Originally Posted by Longbowman

Um...it's 3am, and I'm tired? That's a good excuse. I'll use that.

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And it's raining!