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10-24-2020, 06:24 PM
Damião de Góis

Quote:

Originally Posted by gixajo

Una cosa por la que tengo curiosidad, y que no sabía que fuera así.

Parece que los isleños de las islas Azores, dan porcentajes muy altos de Ibérico, a la par o incluso superiores que los portugueses peninsulares.¿Es así o simplemente es casualidad que los resultados que he visto con gente procedente de allí sean así? ¿Serán de islas específicas los individuos que he visto?

¿Ha sido tradicionalmente una población aislada que ha recibido pocos aportes a lo largo del tiempo?

Al ser una escala en el viaje Atlántico, siempre pensé que habría tenido mucha gente de paso, y que habría recibido muchos aportes genéticos de muchos sitios diferentes.

They received a somewhat diverse population.

Quote:

Os documentos históricos revelam que os Açores foram povoados sobretudo por portugueses, e as regiões do Algarve, Alentejo e Minho eram destacadas como fornecedoras de colonos. Também foi relatada a presença de povoadores oriundos do arquipélago da Madeira, assim como de indivíduos de origem judaica. A presença de pessoas oriundas de outros países da Europa também é relatada, com particular destaque para povoadores flamengos, que terão tido maior presença nas ilhas centrais, especialmente na Ilha do Faial. A presença de escravos (mouriscos e negros) também é amplamente documentada. As linhagens tipicamente africanas encontradas nos habitantes dos Açores, apesar da frequência reduzida, são as mais elevadas dentro da população portuguesa, o que denota uma possível maior integração dos escravos negros na população açoriana.[13]
10-24-2020, 10:11 PM
Ruderico

Quote:

Originally Posted by gixajo

Una cosa por la que tengo curiosidad, y que no sabía que fuera así.

Parece que los isleños de las islas Azores, dan porcentajes muy altos de Ibérico, a la par o incluso superiores que los portugueses peninsulares.¿Es así o simplemente es casualidad que los resultados que he visto con gente procedente de allí sean así? ¿Serán de islas específicas los individuos que he visto?

¿Ha sido tradicionalmente una población aislada que ha recibido pocos aportes a lo largo del tiempo?

Al ser una escala en el viaje Atlántico, siempre pensé que habría tenido mucha gente de paso, y que habría recibido muchos aportes genéticos de muchos sitios diferentes.

Pienso que la mayoría de los Portugueses que he visto con 100% son continentales
10-25-2020, 05:46 PM
Ruderico

Más resultados de Portugueses continentales

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....983#post712983
10-25-2020, 07:47 PM
gixajo

Modelo para españoles ;)

Code:

Aurresku,0.1269285,0.1500810,0.0535063,0.0072880,0.0537083,0.0009608,-0.0019258,0.0012988,0.0286640,0.0413368,-0.0061703,0.0106948,-0.0200193,-0.0154678,0.0163075,0.0005363,-0.0097013,0.0024428,-0.0006958,-0.0034038,0.0078353,0.0012740,-0.0072508,-0.0062288,0.0026890 Sardana,0.1207793,0.1470767,0.0429077,0.0023664,0.0443871,0.0001286,-0.0003850,0.0024959,0.0211227,0.0303188,-0.0018974,0.0075706,-0.0149453,-0.0122403,0.0081858,0.0011649,-0.0012282,0.0002061,-0.0002128,-0.0012959,0.0035517,-0.0001865,-0.0022194,-0.0027701,0.0001983 Flamenco,0.108132,0.146076,0.035707,-0.003434,0.045256,-0.005857,-0.00193,0.00266,0.024715,0.031162,-0.002154,0.007272,-0.013207,-0.011408,0.010243,-0.002498,-0.006176,-0.0011,-0.004261,-0.002133,0.002929,-0.001302,-0.001972,-0.005334,0.001885 Muñeira,0.108765,0.146462,0.041064,-0.001651,0.041204,-9.3e-05,-0.005457,0.002423,0.024713,0.030029,-0.002129,0.005737,-0.012611,-0.012157,0.011144,0.000589,-0.004237,-0.002161,-0.005042,-0.001007,0.000873,-0.002899,-0.000808,-0.003682,0.001304

Aurresku,=Spanish_Navarra,+Spanish_Pais_Vasco,+Basque_Frenc h,+Basque_Spanish,
Sardana=Spanish_Barcelones,+Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona,+Sp anish_Cataluna,+Spanish_Catalunya_Central,+Spanish _Girona,+Spanish_Lleida,+Spanish_Penedes,+Spanish_ Peri-Barcelona,+Spanish_Pirineu,+Spanish_Terres_de_l'Eb re,
Flamenco,=Spanish_Andalucia
Muñeira=Spanish_Galicia
10-25-2020, 07:55 PM
mitalit

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noff

A mí no me lo han detectado, pero ni en la actualización ni en los antiguos resultados, osea en el antiguo resultado me lo marcó en que era pasajero y que era prácticamente nulo.

Lo normal es no tener, el componente ibérico ya lleva norteafricano
10-25-2020, 07:56 PM
mitalit

Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 2.7054% / 0.02705381
63.6 Sardana
36.4 Muñeira
10-25-2020, 08:04 PM
gixajo

Quote:

Originally Posted by gixajo

Modelo para españoles ;)

Code:

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Aurresku,=Spanish_Navarra,+Spanish_Pais_Vasco,+Basque_Frenc h,+Basque_Spanish,
Sardana=Spanish_Barcelones,+Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona,+Sp anish_Cataluna,+Spanish_Catalunya_Central,+Spanish _Girona,+Spanish_Lleida,+Spanish_Penedes,+Spanish_ Peri-Barcelona,+Spanish_Pirineu,+Spanish_Terres_de_l'Eb re,
Flamenco,=Spanish_Andalucia
Muñeira=Spanish_Galicia

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6318% / 0.01631820
46.8 Sardana
27.4 Flamenco
25.8 Aurresku

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.0699% / 0.02069862
85.8 Flamenco
7.4 Muñeira
5.2 Sardana
1.6 Aurresku

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.0181% / 0.02018108
61.2 Aurresku
33.2 Muñeira
4.8 Flamenco
0.8 Sardana

jo sóc català!!!:eek:
10-25-2020, 08:22 PM
Defcon2

Quote:

Originally Posted by gixajo

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6318% / 0.01631820
46.8 Sardana
27.4 Flamenco
25.8 Aurresku

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.0699% / 0.02069862
85.8 Flamenco
7.4 Muñeira
5.2 Sardana
1.6 Aurresku

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.0181% / 0.02018108
61.2 Aurresku
33.2 Muñeira
4.8 Flamenco
0.8 Sardana

jo sóc català!!!:eek:

Yo soy más andalú que tu padre :eek:

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 3.0607% / 0.03060709
100.0 Flamenco
10-25-2020, 08:42 PM
gixajo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defcon2

Y......

Voy a ir quitando referencias a la media catalana, ¿Cuáles crees que serían las más representativas para determinar ese origen?
10-25-2020, 08:44 PM
gixajo

Las sources de modern populations empiezan a aburrir, es dar siempre vueltas a lo mismo.
10-25-2020, 09:05 PM
Pedro Ruben

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 3.1228% / 0.03122844
88.2 Muñeira
11.8 Flamenco

Pues mira que si! Bailo y toco muñeira/muiñeira galega, muiñeira sanabresa y muinheira/murinheira transmontana :cool:
10-25-2020, 09:10 PM
Defcon2

Quote:

Originally Posted by gixajo

Voy a ir quitando referencias a la media catalana, ¿Cuáles crees que serían las más representativas para determinar ese origen?

Empezaría quitando las de Cataluña interior o demasiado nórdicas como la de Penedés que representarán alrededor del 10% de la población catalana.
10-25-2020, 09:58 PM
gixajo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defcon2

Empezaría quitando las de Cataluña interior o demasiado nórdicas como la de Penedés que representarán alrededor del 10% de la población catalana.

Pues empcé mirando las referencias catalanas para ver cuales quitaba y cuales no, comparando su aporte germanico etc...y al final acabé haciendo un modelo "antiguo".

Es más o menos lo de siempre, lo hice mirando la lista de distancias a mis referencias customizadas, y eligiendo las que veía más adecuadas dentro de las primeras.

Si me dáis el visto bueno, le abro un thread. (y si no, igual también) :rolleyes:

Code:

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10-25-2020, 10:31 PM
Defcon2

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 3.1853% / 0.03185255
57.8 Iberian
33.0 Italic/Greek
3.8 Germanic/Celtic
3.0 Berber
1.6 SSA
0.8 EastAsian
10-26-2020, 12:36 AM
Cernunnos

Quote:

Originally Posted by gixajo

Modelo para españoles ;)

Code:

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Aurresku,=Spanish_Navarra,+Spanish_Pais_Vasco,+Basque_Frenc h,+Basque_Spanish,
Sardana=Spanish_Barcelones,+Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona,+Sp anish_Cataluna,+Spanish_Catalunya_Central,+Spanish _Girona,+Spanish_Lleida,+Spanish_Penedes,+Spanish_ Peri-Barcelona,+Spanish_Pirineu,+Spanish_Terres_de_l'Eb re,
Flamenco,=Spanish_Andalucia
Muñeira=Spanish_Galicia

Target: Cernunnos_scaled
Distance: 1.9379% / 0.01937878
60.8 Muñeira
22.8 Flamenco
9.4 Aurresku
7.0 Sardana
10-26-2020, 12:50 AM
Cernunnos

Target: Cernunnos_scaled
Distance: 1.8556% / 0.01855636
75.8 Galaico-Portuguese
14.0 Basque
10.2 Castillian

Quote:

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Basque:Basque_French,0.128051,0.1520246,0.0551727, 0.0128231,0.0564104,0.0025099,-0.00141,0.0033229,0.0305968,0.0412036,-0.0092724,0.0103408,-0.0209761,-0.0140237,0.0132192,-0.0019359,-0.0119173,0.0030278,-0.0007165,-0.0044144,0.010157,0.0024855,-0.0086397,-0.0091698,7.18e-05
Catalan:Spanish_Barcelones,0.1192866,0.1490798,0.0 45707,0.0046512,0.0459162,0.0033466,0.0032432,0.00 3646,0.0208614,0.0296314,-0.0041572,0.0070438,-0.014331,-0.0092206,0.007763,-0.0004244,-0.006102,-0.0001016,0.0023632,-0.0035268,0.0035686,-4.96e-05,-0.0039932,-0.003639,0.0015326
Catalan:Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona,0.1190875,0.1444 591,0.0421904,0.0020995,0.0442004,-0.0006624,-0.0022031,0.0014423,0.0202734,0.0278592,0.0016238, 0.0059946,-0.0130262,-0.0132119,0.0076174,0.0024861,-0.0017439,0.0010928,-0.0008014,0.0003282,0.0015598,0.0026122,-0.0009399,-0.0049104,-0.0007334
10-26-2020, 12:55 AM
gixajo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cernunnos

Ta.........ian

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.5511% / 0.01551124
37.2 Galaico-Portuguese
30.2 Basque
28.0 Catalan
4.6 Castillian
10-26-2020, 11:37 AM
Defcon2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cernunnos

Target: Cernunnos_scaled
Distance: 1.8556% / 0.01855636
75.8 Galaico-Portuguese
14.0 Basque
10.2 Castillian

Raw data pésima en distancias.

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 3.2249% / 0.03224873
90.6 Galaico-Portuguese
9.4 Basque
10-26-2020, 12:04 PM
Ruderico

Solamente no son buenas referencias para ti, el scaling no ayuda en eso

Target: Ruderico_scaled
Distance: 2.7948% / 0.02794756
74.4 Galaico-Portuguese
25.4 Castillian
0.2 Basque (lol)

Target: MrsRuderico_scaled
Distance: 2.3652% / 0.02365185
100.0 Galaico-Portuguese
10-26-2020, 01:04 PM
Defcon2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruderico

Solamente no son buenas referencias para ti, el scaling no ayuda en eso

Target: Ruderico_scaled
Distance: 2.7948% / 0.02794756
74.4 Galaico-Portuguese
25.4 Castillian
0.2 Basque (lol)

Target: MrsRuderico_scaled
Distance: 2.3652% / 0.02365185
100.0 Galaico-Portuguese

Son solo ibéricas no debería haber problemas de distancia y hay mucha diferencia entre coodernadas.
10-26-2020, 01:18 PM
gixajo

Me llegó hoy un sobre de Yseq para hacer el panel.

Pensaba que era una carta normal y corriente, desde luego son los más discretos.

Y los más rápidos, al menos en madarlo aquí (2-3 días). Se supone que el resultado tarda hasta 5 semanas.

El trato muy cercano también.
10-26-2020, 01:29 PM
Defcon2

Quote:

Originally Posted by gixajo

Me llegó hoy un sobre de Yseq para hacer el panel.

Pensaba que era una carta normal y corriente, desde luego son los más discretos.

Y los más rápidos, al menos en madarlo aquí (2-3 días). Se supone que el resultado tarda hasta 5 semanas.

El trato muy cercano también.

El superclade de 99$ pediste?
10-26-2020, 01:40 PM
Ruderico

Las referencias Ibéricas no son todas iguales, aún más "escaladas". No es problema de tu raw data
10-26-2020, 02:00 PM
mitalit

Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 2.4979% / 0.02497874
50.0 Galaico-Portuguese
35.6 Castillian
14.4 Catalan
10-26-2020, 02:00 PM
mitalit

Quote:

Originally Posted by gixajo

Me llegó hoy un sobre de Yseq para hacer el panel.

Pensaba que era una carta normal y corriente, desde luego son los más discretos.

Y los más rápidos, al menos en madarlo aquí (2-3 días). Se supone que el resultado tarda hasta 5 semanas.

El trato muy cercano también.

Tienes que enviar una muestra de saliva?
10-26-2020, 02:01 PM
Defcon2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruderico

Las referencias Ibéricas no son todas iguales, aún más "escaladas". No es problema de tu raw data

De las coordendas que tengo de otras personas soy el que peor distancia tiene usando todas las referencias ibéricas, exceptuando a una persona pero tiene ascendencia siciliana en parte por lo que tiene justificación.

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 2.7118% / 0.02711813
33.4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
29.6 Spanish_Asturias
20.4 Spanish_Canarias
16.6 Spanish_Murcia
10-26-2020, 02:17 PM
Ruderico

Hay personas con distancias peores que otras, incluso en la misma compañía, eso no significa que los datos son 'malos' porque la cuantiad de SNPs el la misma (en cada compañía), puede ser algo tan sencillo como drift, o ascendencia desconocida que no debe ser tu caso
10-26-2020, 04:21 PM
gixajo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defcon2

El superclade de 99$ pediste?

Sí.

Y un sobre de reenvío.:)

Ya tomé las muestras, es un poco diferente a 23andme y MH, pero bien, mañana por la mañana lo tiro al buzón. es como una carta normal y corriente.
10-26-2020, 04:32 PM
gixajo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruderico

Hay personas con distancias peores que otras, incluso en la misma compañía, eso no significa que los datos son 'malos' porque la cuantiad de SNPs el la misma (en cada compañía), puede ser algo tan sencillo como drift, o ascendencia desconocida que no debe ser tu caso

Estoy haciendo un modelo con referencias tipo 23andMe. Por ahora tengo hechas 11 referencias Spanish&Portuguese, estoy usando un nuevo método para seleccionar los samples individuales con los que hacer las medias, a ver que tal sale, pero por ahora tienen muy buena pinta.

Luego pasaré a las de las islas Británicas, ya tengo casi la selección de samples hecha, me falta hacer medias.

Como siempre, mis modelos son "for fun".

Puedo poner las referencias Spanish&Portuguese que he hecho hasta ahora, como son variaditas, todo el mundo debería obtener distancias aceptables.
10-26-2020, 05:02 PM
gixajo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0

Tienes que enviar una muestra de saliva?

Es más un hisopo parecido al de MH, pero es raro, es como de cerdas duras de plástico que no abrsorben la saliva, y tienes que dejar secar los dos hisopos media hora antes de embolsarlos.

Frotar diez veces por el interior de cada mejilla, y dejar secar media hora, separados, que no se toquen las escobillas.

No sé, ya pondré los resultados si es que pueden sacar algo de eso, me sorprende, pero seguí las instrucciones.

Todo estaba en castellano.
10-26-2020, 05:34 PM
gixajo

Para ir haciendo boca, pongo las 10 primeras distancias de las 14 referencias que llevo hechas:

Quote:

Distance to: Spanish&Portuguese:1
0.02075523 Spanish_Extremadura
0.02117316 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02183881 Portuguese
0.02196866 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.02310959 Spanish_Murcia
0.02323013 Spanish_Galicia
0.02543068 Spanish_Alacant
0.02698330 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.02766059 Spanish_Valencia
0.02826352 Spanish_Eivissa

Distance to: Spanish&Portuguese:2
0.02114661 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02164307 Spanish_Navarra
0.02221396 Spanish_Aragon
0.02285428 Spanish_Valencia
0.02302488 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.02358875 Spanish_Pirineu
0.02360574 Spanish_Cantabria
0.02417581 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02563820 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02563835 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha

Distance to: Spanish&Portuguese:3
0.01689668 Spanish_Andalucia
0.01779614 Portuguese
0.01784205 Spanish_Extremadura
0.01882818 Spanish_Murcia
0.01907444 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.01952820 Spanish_Menorca
0.01966951 Spanish_Galicia
0.02069069 Spanish_Baleares
0.02104535 Spanish_Eivissa
0.02148465 Spanish_Alacant

Distance to: Spanish&Portuguese:4
0.01979936 Spanish_Girona
0.02057794 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02073569 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02097616 Spanish_Lleida
0.02162083 Spanish_Baleares
0.02173681 Spanish_Eivissa
0.02203851 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02223194 Spanish_Penedes
0.02252883 Spanish_Cataluna
0.02278226 Spanish_Aragon

Distance to: Spanish&Portuguese:5
0.01231120 Spanish_Aragon
0.01491306 Spanish_Pirineu
0.01543470 Spanish_Valencia
0.01558827 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.01617637 Spanish_Castello
0.01632214 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.01664538 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.01671525 Spanish_Cataluna
0.01674372 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.01693150 Spanish_Cantabria

Distance to: Spanish&Portuguese:6
0.01807887 Spanish_Canarias
0.02615600 Portuguese
0.02707519 Spanish_Extremadura
0.02797626 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02895829 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.02936998 Spanish_Galicia
0.03183426 Spanish_Murcia
0.03474567 Spanish_Eivissa
0.03491709 Spanish_Alacant
0.03502409 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha

Distance to: Spanish&Portuguese:7
0.01934234 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.02072361 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02283182 Spanish_Galicia
0.02292623 Portuguese
0.02522677 Spanish_Asturias
0.02526676 Spanish_Extremadura
0.02643507 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.02711147 Spanish_Murcia
0.02756638 Spanish_Eivissa
0.02853982 Spanish_Menorca

Distance to: Spanish&Portuguese:8
0.02006639 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.02134523 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02448815 Portuguese
0.02464146 Spanish_Galicia
0.02486121 Spanish_Extremadura
0.02526023 Spanish_Murcia
0.02714506 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.02751198 Spanish_Valencia
0.02793386 Spanish_Menorca
0.02796879 Spanish_Alacant

Distance to: Spanish&Portuguese:9
0.01810434 Spanish_Girona
0.01821313 Spanish_Penedes
0.01866011 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.01903549 Spanish_Mallorca
0.01941625 Spanish_Cataluna
0.01947835 Spanish_Aragon
0.01961943 Spanish_Galicia
0.02018798 Spanish_Lleida
0.02027049 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02027772 Spanish_Castello

Distance to: Spanish&Portuguese:10
0.01947132 Spanish_Barcelones
0.01967455 Spanish_Aragon
0.02079816 Spanish_Valencia
0.02092602 Spanish_Cantabria
0.02123553 Spanish_Pirineu
0.02163636 Spanish_Navarra
0.02191616 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02193528 Spanish_Lleida
0.02210915 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02246615 Spanish_Penedes

Distance to: Spanish&Portuguese:11
0.02118709 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.02291991 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02578373 Portuguese
0.02607062 Spanish_Asturias
0.02689573 Spanish_Galicia
0.02781974 Spanish_Extremadura
0.02786176 Spanish_Murcia
0.02820437 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.02869920 Spanish_Alacant
0.02907709 Spanish_Valencia

Distance to: Spanish&Portuguese:12
0.01345734 French_South
0.01441921 Spanish_Cantabria
0.01456859 Basque_French
0.01543401 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.01742433 Spanish_Navarra
0.01853298 Spanish_Pirineu
0.02017056 Basque_Spanish
0.02024243 Spanish_Aragon
0.02028454 Spanish_Castello
0.02028473 Spanish_Barcelones

Distance to: Spanish&Portuguese:13
0.01397753 Spanish_Navarra
0.01421083 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.01512159 Basque_French
0.01579270 French_South
0.01847281 Spanish_Cantabria
0.01878983 Basque_Spanish
0.02035794 Spanish_Aragon
0.02109361 Spanish_Pirineu
0.02222097 Spanish_Castello
0.02224214 Spanish_Valencia

Distance to: Spanish&Portuguese:14
0.01544920 Spanish_Aragon
0.01592060 Spanish_Castello
0.01604900 Spanish_Valencia
0.01615367 Spanish_Cantabria
0.01617307 Spanish_Navarra
0.01628314 Spanish_Pirineu
0.01681271 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.01786609 Spanish_Cataluna
0.01828834 French_South
0.01832392 Spanish_Lleida
10-26-2020, 06:30 PM
Defcon2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruderico

Hay personas con distancias peores que otras, incluso en la misma compañía, eso no significa que los datos son 'malos' porque la cuantiad de SNPs el la misma (en cada compañía), puede ser algo tan sencillo como drift, o ascendencia desconocida que no debe ser tu caso

Que yo sepa solo la ascendencia negra, la gitana y posiblemente la eslava según 23andme son las únicas que podrían hacer aumentar la distancia con respecto a otros ibéricos.
10-26-2020, 06:53 PM
gixajo

Se os nota que odiáis mis referencias Ibéricas, ninguno ha hecho ningún comentario...:picard1:
10-26-2020, 07:25 PM
Defcon2

Quote:

Originally Posted by gixajo

Se os nota que odiáis mis referencias Ibéricas, ninguno ha hecho ningún comentario...:picard1:

Necesito una calculadora específica para poder calcular la cantidad de cada una de mi ascendencia que están escritos en mi meta-ethnicity.
10-26-2020, 09:50 PM
gixajo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defcon2

Necesito una calculadora específica para poder calcular la cantidad de cada una de mi ascendencia que están escritos en mi meta-ethnicity.

Para eso hace falta un modelo basado en referencias antiguas, yo tengo referencias modernas para varios días.

Yo quiero conseguir quela gente esté feliz con sus resultados, porque está claro que para la enorme mayoría aquí, lo que quieren son resultados que les gusten, no que les digan la verdad.

Además, tu sabes hacer modelos perfectamente, lopuedes hacer tú.:D

Si estás pensando en algo, dime por si tepuedo ayudar, pero no quiero dejar a medio hacer lo que tengo entre manos, y tengo para días.

Acabo de terminar las referencias French&German, ¿Qué te (os) parecen?

Quote:

Distance to: French&German:1
0.02314247 Belgian
0.02476377 French_Brittany
0.02514329 French_Nord
0.02589531 English_Cornwall
0.02771826 Swiss_German
0.02779387 French_Alsace
0.02784108 French_Paris
0.02785457 Welsh
0.02830160 English
0.02927149 Afrikaner

Distance to: French&German:2
0.02295493 French_Paris
0.02470093 Belgian
0.02517050 French_Nord
0.02526615 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02735319 Swiss_German
0.02786155 French_Alsace
0.03048677 Swiss_French
0.03174923 French_Brittany
0.03177428 French_Occitanie
0.03294105 Italian_Aosta_Valley

Distance to: French&German:3
0.01368413 German
0.01829263 Dutch
0.02041805 Swedish
0.02145531 Danish
0.02171224 German_East
0.02200026 Welsh
0.02259392 English
0.02371228 Orcadian
0.02407683 Scottish
0.02465915 English_Cornwall

Distance to: French&German:4
0.02371790 German
0.02413646 Dutch
0.02423058 Norwegian
0.02529354 Swedish
0.02777948 Welsh
0.02812132 Danish
0.02815288 Icelandic
0.02877802 Scottish
0.02931679 English
0.02979100 Orcadian

Distance to: French&German:5
0.00799393 French_Nord
0.00857951 Belgian
0.00993890 French_Alsace
0.01492421 Swiss_German
0.01528275 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.01579045 German
0.01599387 French_Paris
0.01801171 French_Brittany
0.01949766 French_Seine-Maritime
0.02123486 Afrikaner

Distance to: French&German:6
0.00939635 Dutch
0.00939635 German
0.01393242 Welsh
0.01479131 English
0.01594861 Scottish
0.01676106 English_Cornwall
0.01696685 Orcadian
0.01725284 Danish
0.01754835 Afrikaner
0.01762139 French_Brittany

Distance to: French&German:7
0.00354375 French_Nord
0.00354421 French_Alsace
0.00940881 Belgian
0.01043717 Swiss_German
0.01370243 French_Paris
0.01790640 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02008813 French_Occitanie
0.02130204 French_Seine-Maritime
0.02212816 French_Auvergne
0.02225246 German

Distance to: French&German:8
0.00840924 German
0.01262992 Dutch
0.01537473 Danish
0.01652627 Welsh
0.01748593 English
0.01844612 Scottish
0.01892781 English_Cornwall
0.01895994 Orcadian
0.01977654 Afrikaner
0.02051376 French_Brittany

Distance to: French&German:9
0.01544528 Belgian
0.01581715 French_Nord
0.01709548 French_Paris
0.01803231 Swiss_German
0.01915033 French_Alsace
0.02028349 French_Occitanie
0.02216141 French_Brittany
0.02370023 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02490044 French_Auvergne
0.02587180 French_Seine-Maritime

Distance to: French&German:10
0.01227201 Belgian
0.01269442 French_Nord
0.01502294 French_Paris
0.01505794 Swiss_German
0.01595806 French_Alsace
0.01977851 French_Occitanie
0.02113331 French_Brittany
0.02148582 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02359137 French_Auvergne
0.02426457 French_Seine-Maritime
10-26-2020, 09:52 PM
gixajo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defcon2

Necesito una calculadora específica para poder calcular la cantidad de cada una de mi ascendencia que están escritos en mi meta-ethnicity.

Lo que estoy haciendo, si lo hago bien, debería darte a tí y a todos, distancias pequeñas y porcentajes muy altos de Spanish&Portuguese.(y a cada grupo lo mismo, no solo a nosotros), similar a la última actualización de 23andMe.
10-26-2020, 09:55 PM
mitalit

Cuanto cuesta hacer una media de dos distancias?
10-26-2020, 10:03 PM
gixajo

Si queréis probar lo que hay por ahora...

La prueba de fuego es cuando meta las islas Británicas y los italianos, tendré que ir hacia británicos con mucho irlandés y con italianos tirando a Grecia.

Aún así seguro que tendré que quitar varios F&G que siguen estando muy cerca de las islas británicas.

Lo probaré mil veces y quitaré o añadiré referencias a ver si doy con las referencias adecuadas, y sobre todo, que siendo adecuadas, funcionen bien todas juntas. Que es la clave.

Code:

.....
10-26-2020, 10:07 PM
gixajo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0

Cuanto cuesta hacer una media de dos distancias?

A tí te lo dejo en 5 euros.:p

Si tienes las referencias, entre abrir el programilla, pegarlas convertirlas en tabla,hacer la media, hacer la prueba (importante) etc... menos de 5 minutos si todo está bien.Incluso dos si tienes prisa.

Es gratis...
10-26-2020, 10:10 PM
mitalit

Joe, bastante realista la verdad y muy buenas distancias.
Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 1.1072% / 0.01107213
93.0 Spanish&Portuguese
7.0 French&German

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