South Slavic & neighbours Eurogenes results

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Originally Posted by Vojnik

Anyone having troubles with the gedmatch site?

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It's big brother knocking on your door.

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Originally Posted by Mr.G

Nice detective work Mingle. Dare I ask what the motivation for forging these kits would be? Was HungryLion arguing that Serbs are more northern shifted than believed, or something?

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Because he's an extreme outlier that plots way outside the Serb cluster and wants to make his results seem more normal.

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Originally Posted by Mingle

The DNA results of the extremely northern shifted Serbs that plot close to HungryLion were most likely forged by HungryLion in my opinion. Their results are not only extreme outliers and without kit numbers/oracles, but show some weird patterns that make them look like they were forged. The results I'm referring to are those belong to Spasović, Grmuša, Atlagić (Dalmatia), Eić (Banija), Vrkić (Lika), and one nameless Banija Serb. If you notice; the final digit in their Baltic, North Atlantic, West Med, East Med, and West Asian scores all end in the same digit. Their Baltic scores all end in 6, their North Atlantic scores all end in 3, their West Med scores all end in 9, their East Med scores all end in 8, and their West Asian scores all end in 4. The reason for this is probably so that the components would all add up to 100% and HL was too lazy to give them different final digits to avoid screwing that part up. If you ask me, besides the already existing suspicion (outlier scores without kit numbers), this is way too much of a coincidence for the results to be real. Below, I've underlined the final digits of each of those components to show the eerily coincidental pattern present.

https://i.imgur.com/nxrFMDd.png?2

https://i.imgur.com/66WC0m9.png?2

https://i.imgur.com/Iivqgft.png?2

If these were for one or two different people, we could maybe say its a coincidence. But these are SIX different results of people that not only plot as extreme outliers and not only are without kit numbers, but all have the same final digit in the same exact components. So what do you guys think? All just a random coincidence or forged results?

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Making up results lol thats another level ...

[QUOTE=Mr.G;6388179]

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Nice detective work Mingle. Dare I ask what the motivation for forging these kits would be? Was HungryLion arguing that Serbs are more northern shifted than believed, or something?

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Hes clearly not full serb, man his nose look like michael jackson, he probably has identity crisis.

https://i.imgur.com/NjwlbIb.png

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Originally Posted by Mingle

The DNA results of the extremely northern shifted Serbs that plot close to HungryLion were most likely forged by HungryLion in my opinion. Their results are not only extreme outliers and without kit numbers/oracles, but show some weird patterns that make them look like they were forged. The results I'm referring to are those belong to Spasović, Grmuša, Atlagić (Dalmatia), Eić (Banija), Vrkić (Lika), and one nameless Banija Serb. If you notice; the final digit in their Baltic, North Atlantic, West Med, East Med, and West Asian scores all end in the same digit. Their Baltic scores all end in 6, their North Atlantic scores all end in 3, their West Med scores all end in 9, their East Med scores all end in 8, and their West Asian scores all end in 4. The reason for this is probably so that the components would all add up to 100% and HL was too lazy to give them different final digits to avoid screwing that part up. If you ask me, besides the already existing suspicion (outlier scores without kit numbers), this is way too much of a coincidence for the results to be real. Below, I've underlined the final digits of each of those components to show the eerily coincidental pattern present.

https://i.imgur.com/nxrFMDd.png?2

https://i.imgur.com/66WC0m9.png?2

https://i.imgur.com/Iivqgft.png?2

If these were for one or two different people, we could maybe say its a coincidence. But these are SIX different results of people that not only plot as extreme outliers and not only are without kit numbers, but all have the same final digit in the same exact components. So what do you guys think? All just a random coincidence or forged results?

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I'm over here lying about my penis size meanwhile anthro-nerds are lying about their North-Atlantic scores. Pathetic :picard1:

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Originally Posted by War Chief

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From where is your Gagauz side, Moldova, Ukraine or Bulgaria?

I read someone claiming (that was written by a German) that in WW2 thousands of German and Hungarian babies were given to Serbian families for adoption in order to make their gene pool racially lighter and dilute the Turkish and North African influence. I’m nearly certain it’s mostly exaggerated but perhaps some Germanics would have indeed been assimilated? What are your thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Ratmir

I read someone claiming (that was written by a German) that in WW2 thousands of German and Hungarian babies were given to Serbian families for adoption in order to make their gene pool racially lighter and dilute the Turkish and North African influence. I’m nearly certain it’s mostly exaggerated but perhaps some Germanics would have indeed been assimilated? What are your thoughts?

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Sounds like complete BS. There is no sign of any Turkish/MENA genetic influence anywhere in the Balkans (excluding Balkan Turks and some individual Muslim Slavs) both in autosomal and chromosomal DNA. And Serbs are relatively homogenous genetically.

Ethnicity: Romanian
Region: Suceava
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Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

#        Population        Percent
1        Baltic        29.15
2        North_Atlantic        26.88
3        East_Med        14.66
4        West_Med        13.73
5        West_Asian        8.13
6        Red_Sea        2.27
7        Siberian        2.15
8        South_Asian        2.06
9        Amerindian        0.88
10        Oceanian        0.1

Single Population Sharing:

#        Population (source)        Distance
1        Serbian        3.74
2        Moldavian        6.24
3        Hungarian        6.88
4        Romanian        7.1
5        Croatian        7.99
6        Bulgarian        9.67
7        Austrian        10.89
8        East_German        12.19
9        Ukrainian_Lviv        14.01
10        South_Polish        14.39
11        Ukrainian        15.29
12        West_German        16.44
13        Greek_Thessaly        17.73
14        South_Dutch        17.96
15        Polish        18.06
16        Southwest_Russian        18.37
17        French        18.59
18        Ukrainian_Belgorod        18.8
19        North_Italian        19.85
20        Russian_Smolensk        20.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#                Primary Population (source)        Secondary Population (source)        Distance
1                55.1%        Greek_Thessaly        +        44.9%        Southwest_Finnish        @        1.67
2                51.2%        Italian_Abruzzo        +        48.8%        Estonian        @        1.74
3                57.6%        Greek_Thessaly        +        42.4%        Finnish        @        1.95
4                54%        Estonian        +        46%        South_Italian        @        1.98
5                77.8%        Romanian        +        22.2%        Finnish        @        2.01
6                76.1%        Romanian        +        23.9%        Southwest_Finnish        @        2.09
7                78.8%        Romanian        +        21.2%        East_Finnish        @        2.17
8                69.6%        Bulgarian        +        30.4%        Southwest_Finnish        @        2.24
9                50.3%        Estonian        +        49.7%        West_Sicilian        @        2.25
10                89.5%        Serbian        +        10.5%        East_Finnish        @        2.31
11                53.3%        Southwest_Finnish        +        46.7%        Central_Greek        @        2.31
12                92.1%        Serbian        +        7.9%        Mari        @        2.32
13                88.2%        Serbian        +        11.8%        Kargopol_Russian        @        2.33
14                91%        Serbian        +        9%        Chuvash        @        2.39
15                78.6%        Romanian        +        21.4%        Estonian        @        2.44
16                70.3%        South_Polish        +        29.7%        Sephardic_Jewish        @        2.44
17                89.3%        Serbian        +        10.7%        Erzya        @        2.45
18                53.7%        Southwest_Russian        +        46.3%        Tuscan        @        2.47
19                89.5%        Serbian        +        10.5%        Finnish        @        2.49
20                54.6%        Finnish        +        45.4%        South_Italian        @        2.53

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Eurogenes K15

Admix Results (sorted):

#        Population        Percent
1        Baltic        18.21
2        North_Sea        17.63
3        Atlantic        17.21
4        Eastern_Euro        12.55
5        East_Med        10.04
6        West_Asian        9.5
7        West_Med        8.7
8        Red_Sea        2.64
9        South_Asian        1.54
10        Siberian        1.29
11        Amerindian        0.62
12        Oceanian        0.06

Single Population Sharing:

#        Population (source)        Distance
1        Serbian        4.81
2        Moldavian        5.89
3        Romanian        6.31
4        Croatian        6.57
5        Austrian        7.13
6        Hungarian        7.25
7        Bulgarian        9.14
8        East_German        11.51
9        Ukrainian_Lviv        12.35
10        South_Polish        12.49
11        Ukrainian        13.41
12        Polish        15.03
13        Russian_Smolensk        15.35
14        Ukrainian_Belgorod        15.59
15        Southwest_Russian        16.12
16        South_Dutch        16.77
17        Greek_Thessaly        16.83
18        Southwest_Finnish        17.05
19        West_German        17.46
20        French        17.58

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#                Primary Population (source)        Secondary Population (source)        Distance
1                76.1%        Romanian        +        23.9%        East_Finnish        @        2.47
2                77.1%        Romanian        +        22.9%        Estonian        @        2.49
3                75.2%        Romanian        +        24.8%        Finnish        @        2.53
4                63.2%        South_Polish        +        36.8%        Italian_Abruzzo        @        2.6
5                74.6%        Romanian        +        25.4%        Southwest_Finnish        @        2.63
6                66.7%        Bulgarian        +        33.3%        Finnish        @        2.66
7                65.8%        Bulgarian        +        34.2%        Southwest_Finnish        @        2.7
8                72.2%        Romanian        +        27.8%        Polish        @        2.74
9                76.5%        Romanian        +        23.5%        Kargopol_Russian        @        2.85
10                84.3%        Croatian        +        15.7%        Turkish        @        2.85
11                68.4%        Romanian        +        31.6%        South_Polish        @        2.85
12                58.7%        Polish        +        41.3%        Italian_Abruzzo        @        2.9
13                72.9%        Romanian        +        27.1%        Russian_Smolensk        @        2.9
14                85.3%        Croatian        +        14.7%        Azeri        @        2.91
15                74.1%        Romanian        +        25.9%        Southwest_Russian        @        3.01
16                76%        Romanian        +        24%        Belorussian        @        3.01
17                76.1%        Romanian        +        23.9%        Estonian_Polish        @        3.03
18                51.9%        Estonian        +        48.1%        Italian_Abruzzo        @        3.05
19                87.4%        Croatian        +        12.6%        Assyrian        @        3.18
20                51.3%        Romanian        +        48.7%        Croatian        @        3.18

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Eurogenes K36

Amerindian        0.08 Pct
Arabian        -   
Armenian        -   
Basque        2.91 Pct
Central_African        -   
Central_Euro        1.96 Pct
East_African        -   
East_Asian        -   
East_Balkan        10.38 Pct
East_Central_Asian        -   
East_Central_Euro        9.93 Pct
East_Med        10.37 Pct
Eastern_Euro        11.59 Pct
Fennoscandian        5.20 Pct
French        3.12 Pct
Iberian        5.68 Pct
Indo-Chinese        -   
Italian        10.02 Pct
Malayan        0.59 Pct
Near_Eastern        -   
North_African        -   
North_Atlantic        7.70 Pct
North_Caucasian        5.92 Pct
North_Sea        11.38 Pct
Northeast_African        -   
Oceanian        -   
Omotic        -   
Pygmy        -   
Siberian        0.51 Pct
South_Asian        -   
South_Central_Asian        -   
South_Chinese        -   
Volga-Ural        0.50 Pct
West_African        -   
West_Caucasian        2.15 Pct
West_Med        -

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Dodecad K12b

#        Population        Percent
1        North_European        39.23
2        Atlantic_Med        25.39
3        Caucasus        24.25
4        Southwest_Asian        3.82
5        Siberian        3.56
6        Gedrosia        2.16
7        South_Asian        1.39
8        Northwest_African        0.15
9        East_African        0.05

Single Population Sharing:

#        Population (source)        Distance
1        Romanians (Behar)        6.29
2        Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)        7.86
3        Bulgarian (Dodecad)        8.13
4        Hungarians (Behar)        11.75
5        German (Dodecad)        18
6        O_Italian (Dodecad)        19.31
7        N_Italian (Dodecad)        21.24
8        Greek (Dodecad)        22.28
9        Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad)        22.52
10        TSI30 (Metspalu)        23.19
11        Tuscan (HGDP)        23.5
12        French (Dodecad)        23.6
13        French (HGDP)        23.76
14        Dutch (Dodecad)        23.87
15        Ukranians (Yunusbayev)        23.93
16        North_Italian (HGDP)        24.04
17        C_Italian (Dodecad)        24.18
18        Polish (Dodecad)        25.23
19        Kent (1000Genomes)        25.97
20        CEU30 (1000Genomes)        26.1

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#                Primary Population (source)        Secondary Population (source)        Distance
1                55%        Tuscan (HGDP)        +        45%        Mordovians (Yunusbayev)        @        3.1
2                54.8%        C_Italian (Dodecad)        +        45.2%        Russian_B (Behar)        @        3.23
3                55.5%        Tuscan (HGDP)        +        44.5%        Russian_B (Behar)        @        3.34
4                55.8%        C_Italian (Dodecad)        +        44.2%        Russian (HGDP)        @        3.43
5                61.4%        Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)        +        38.6%        Hungarians (Behar)        @        3.47
6                54.3%        C_Italian (Dodecad)        +        45.7%        Mordovians (Yunusbayev)        @        3.48
7                56.6%        Tuscan (HGDP)        +        43.4%        Russian (HGDP)        @        3.52
8                79.7%        Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)        +        20.3%        Swedish (Dodecad)        @        3.53
9                80.2%        Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)        +        19.8%        Norwegian (Dodecad)        @        3.66
10                60.5%        O_Italian (Dodecad)        +        39.5%        Russian_B (Behar)        @        3.74
11                68.9%        Romanians (Behar)        +        31.1%        Hungarians (Behar)        @        3.78
12                55.4%        TSI30 (Metspalu)        +        44.6%        Mordovians (Yunusbayev)        @        3.81
13                88.7%        Romanians (Behar)        +        11.3%        FIN30 (1000Genomes)        @        3.89
14                85.1%        Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)        +        14.9%        FIN30 (1000Genomes)        @        3.93
15                84.9%        Romanians (Behar)        +        15.1%        Swedish (Dodecad)        @        3.96
16                86.2%        Romanians (Behar)        +        13.8%        Chuvashs (Behar)        @        3.97
17                55.9%        TSI30 (Metspalu)        +        44.1%        Russian_B (Behar)        @        3.97
18                85.3%        Romanians (Behar)        +        14.7%        Norwegian (Dodecad)        @        3.98
19                72.2%        Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)        +        27.8%        German (Dodecad)        @        4.01
20                52.3%        C_Italian (Dodecad)        +        47.7%        Mixed_Slav (Dodecad)        @        4.01

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