"Proto-Iranians were not Northern Europeans"

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Originally Posted by MS85

Big fail. Unlike 1 uniform French language, the language of the Hittites and the Mycenaeans was not the same. Mycenaeans spoke proto-Hellenic, while the language of the Hittites was part of the Anatolian language family. So we have here 2 different ancient language families here in 1 small area.
People like you have no explaination and fail to face the facts and the only argument what they can ever use is 'elite dominace'.
They found out that the language of the Hittites could even predate the Yamnaya!

Sumerians were not Semitic. Sumerians were very different from the Semitic Akkadians.

Some steppes ancestry in Iranians is not that old and risen in Iran only after the Iron Age. Some steppes ancestry in Iran came AFTER the Aryan era of people like Mitanni, so only AFTER the Scythians and it could be just related to those people.

They tested the ancient Zoroastrian Parsen who never mixed with the Muslims and those Zoroastrian Parsen from Iran were just native people of Iran. There was almost no Steppes ancestry in those Parsen.

Do you know the actual history of the Tajiks, lol. Tajiks have Persian origin, nothing to do with the Steppes. Real Tajiks came from Iranian people who spoke Farsi. Eastern Iranians have a lot Mongoloid auDNA in them. So there was a migration of people from the Steppes who was partly Mongoloids. Those people who brought Mongoloid auDNA with them into SouthCentral Asia could be also the very same people who brought other Steppe related ancestry. There is absolutely no evidence that it was brought by ancient proto-Iranians.

There are many explanations for that. You are only obsessed with 1 option and forget about all other 1000 different options.

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Why do you keep bringing up Zoroastrians? Zoroastrianism is a religion. Which means it can be adopted by fucking anyone. this arguments means absolutely nothing.
You are just proving my point further more. Steppe ancestry in Iranians came after the Iranic migration to Iran.
Before the iranian migration, the natives who lived in Iran spoke elamite. We iranians are even taught this at our schools. The Iranian academia agrees and approves the concept of indo European migration into the Iranian plateau
We are taught that Persians and Medes migrated into Iran from Turkmenistan, from there, their ancestors were the andronovo.
There are tons of Iranian textbooks that describe this event very thoroughly.

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Originally Posted by Token

LOL, the retarded Iranicized Assyrian went full crazy now.

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you are no different than him. You just wanna take credit for what the Iranic people managed to achieve.
We had a massive influence on everyone including europeans. What they were genetically doesnt matter
They were a mix of chg and ehg. what matters is their identity which you cant claim to be european
only iranians can all over the world.

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Originally Posted by Fibonacci

Why do you keep bringing up Zoroastrians? Zoroastrianism is a religion. Which means it can be adopted by fucking anyone. this arguments means absolutely nothing.
You are just proving my point further more. Steppe ancestry in Iranians came after the Iranic migration to Iran.
Before the iranian migration, the natives who lived in Iran spoke elamite. We iranians are even taught this at our schools. The Iranian academia agrees and approves the concept of indo European migration into the Iranian plateau
We are taught that Persians and Medes migrated into Iran from Turkmenistan, from there, their ancestors were the andronovo.
There are tons of Iranian textbooks that describe this event very thoroughly.

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Because Zoroastrian Parsi were the original Persians before Islamisation of Iran and therefore closer to the ancietn Persians and closer to the source.

Iran was invaded by the Turco-Mongols and Arabs, but Parsi were still the unmixed original Persians who survived Islamisation. And those Parsi were even much more natives of the Iranian Plateau than current Persians. Those Parsi had much more Neo_Iran Plateau auDNA and there was no Steppes ancestry in them.

Iranian Plateau is HUGE. Elamites lived only in a small part next to the Persian Gulf. Sure, it is possible that Elamites were later Persianized by the Persians in Elam, but that doesn’t rule out at all that Iranic people came from the NorthWestern parts of the Iranian Plateau.

Ancient Turkmenistan = BMAC. And today we know the genetic profile of the BMAC. It was mostly Iranic. And has NOTHING to do with the Andronovo.



https://i.postimg.cc/C1c4hB63/map-elamite.jpg

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Originally Posted by Fibonacci

Why do you keep bringing up Zoroastrians? Zoroastrianism is a religion. Which means it can be adopted by fucking anyone. this arguments means absolutely nothing.
You are just proving my point further more. Steppe ancestry in Iranians came after the Iranic migration to Iran.
Before the iranian migration, the natives who lived in Iran spoke elamite. We iranians are even taught this at our schools. The Iranian academia agrees and approves the concept of indo European migration into the Iranian plateau
We are taught that Persians and Medes migrated into Iran from Turkmenistan, from there, their ancestors were the andronovo.
There are tons of Iranian textbooks that describe this event very thoroughly.

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Agreed. There were even Arab Zorastrians as well back in ancient times.

You folks don't even understand the basic stuff about the Aryans/Iranians.

You don't even understand that in Tajikistan live people like ethnic Tajiks who were Persians from Iran and Uzbeks
In Afghanistan live Tajiks, Uzbeks, Pashtun and some other folks.

Tajiks = speakers of Farsi = Persian
Uzbeks = Turkic people
Pashtun = mixed eastern Iranic people

It is most likely that those Uzbeks from the Steppe and related people to them brought Steppes ancestry into the SouthCentral Asia. And before them the Scythians. In 2000 years of time many migrations from the Steppes into SouthCentral Asia took place.

SouthCentral Asia of today is not really representative for the ancient Aryans at all


Afghanistan
https://i.postimg.cc/v8gc0xtc/Map-of...fghanistan.jpg

In Tajikistan live even the ethnic RUSSIANS!!

https://i.postimg.cc/yNDH7cdR/7e111d...cad20c435e.jpg

What I'm trying to say is that the original ARYAN people were PURE Iranic by auDNA.

Some minor Steppes ancestry arrived later with other races (Turkic groups, Slavic/Russian groups, Scythians/Massagetae) who came to SouthCentralAsia much later and due to minor geneflow.

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Originally Posted by MS85

Because Zoroastrian Parsi were the original Persians before Islamisation of Iran and therefore closer to the ancietn Persians and closer to the source.

Iran was invaded by the Turco-Mongols and Arabs, but Parsi were still the unmixed original Persians who survived Islamisation. And those Parsi were even much more natives of the Iranian Plateau than current Persians. Those Parsi had much more Neo_Iran Plateau auDNA and there was no Steppes ancestry in them.

Iranian Plateau is HUGE. Elamites lived only in a small part next to the Persian Gulf. Sure, it is possible that Elamites were later Persianized by the Persians in Elam, but that doesn’t rule out at all that Iranic people came from the NorthWestern parts of the Iranian Plateau.

Ancient Turkmenistan = BMAC. And today we know the genetic profile of the BMAC. It was mostly Iranic. And has NOTHING to do with the Andronovo.



https://i.postimg.cc/C1c4hB63/map-elamite.jpg

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So then what was andronovo then? Iranians dont even cluster with Tajiks.

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Originally Posted by Babak

So then what was andronovo then?

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Original Andronovo was not Iranic at all. Most likely Mongoloid. Andronovo had a HUGE part of West Siberian HG related auDNA. Later Eastern Aryans from BMAC 'Iranized' Andronovo and those 'Iranized' Mongoloid people became known as the Scythians.


Andronov had NOTHING to do with the Original ARYANS. Andronovo was MONGOLOID, period!

https://i.postimg.cc/Vvr4K9YY/ace.jpg

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Originally Posted by MS85

What I'm trying to say is that the original ARYAN people were PURE Iranic by auDNA.

Some minor Steppes ancestry arrived later with other races (Turkic groups, Slavic/Russian groups, Scythians/Massagetae) who came to SouthCentralAsia much later and due to minor geneflow.

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The amount of garbage you spew is literally laughable. From now on talk about your own kind rather than involving the entire Iranian community into your mythical beliefs. You're definitely a troll. You sound like that turanist member on here who tried his hardest to claim that Saka were mongoloids. Lmao