Serbian Autosomal DNA

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

they aren't particularly west shifted. Dušan made a k13 average for Serbs from Croatia, it's only 24.61 North_Atlantic. but Serbs as a whole are more West shifted than i expected.

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Most of Krajina Serbs whose position on K15 I have seen were more western than Serbian average. Hungry Lion, Dalmatian Serb up, Dalmatian Serb from Šibenik, Aye's dad, Siniša Jerković (from Grmeč), other Banija Serb from my thread etc. are all more western than Serbian average.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

but you didn't test yet :D

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nope :D

My mom's results:

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Eurogenes K13:

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.18
2 North_Atlantic 22.11
3 East_Med 17.65
4 West_Med 14.53
5 West_Asian 10.12
6 South_Asian 2.81
7 Oceanian 0.6

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 7.11
2 Serbian 7.3
3 Romanian 8.14
4 Bulgarian 8.83
5 Croatian 9.49
6 Hungarian 11.61
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.01
8 South_Polish 15.8
9 Austrian 15.88
10 Ukrainian 15.92
11 East_German 16.76
12 Greek_Thessaly 17.19
13 Southwest_Russian 18.21
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.41
15 Polish 19.18
16 Russian_Smolensk 20.52
17 Estonian_Polish 20.95
18 Belorussian 21.54
19 West_German 21.9
20 Tatar 22.06

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.8% Greek_Thessaly + 48.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.32
2 51.5% Greek_Thessaly + 48.5% Southwest_Russian @ 3.4
3 68.8% Bulgarian + 31.2% Southwest_Russian @ 3.52
4 69.1% Bulgarian + 30.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.58
5 70.9% Ukrainian + 29.1% Cyprian @ 3.63
6 61.3% Southwest_Russian + 38.7% South_Italian @ 3.68
7 76.2% Bulgarian + 23.8% Lithuanian @ 3.7
8 57.2% Southwest_Russian + 42.8% Central_Greek @ 3.72
9 61% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 39% South_Italian @ 3.77
10 60.5% Greek_Thessaly + 39.5% Lithuanian @ 3.77
11 72.1% Bulgarian + 27.9% Estonian_Polish @ 3.78
12 72.7% Bulgarian + 27.3% Belorussian @ 3.81
13 51.9% Central_Greek + 48.1% Lithuanian @ 3.85
14 71.7% Bulgarian + 28.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.87
15 71.2% South_Polish + 28.8% Cyprian @ 3.89
16 56.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 43.1% Central_Greek @ 3.92
17 52.4% Lithuanian + 47.6% South_Italian @ 3.93
18 54.6% Greek_Thessaly + 45.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 4
19 55.2% Greek_Thessaly + 44.8% Estonian_Polish @ 4.04
20 53.6% Estonian_Polish + 46.4% Central_Greek @ 4.05

Eurogenes K15:

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 19.68
2 North_Sea 18.71
3 East_Med 14.85
4 Eastern_Euro 12.65
5 Atlantic 12.43
6 West_Med 10.19
7 West_Asian 9.31
8 South_Asian 1.9
9 Oceanian 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 6.72
2 Serbian 6.97
3 Moldavian 7.1
4 Bulgarian 8.53
5 Croatian 9.55
6 Hungarian 9.7
7 Austrian 11.88
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.71
9 Greek_Thessaly 14.52
10 South_Polish 14.63
11 Ukrainian 14.64
12 East_German 15.13
13 Greek 16.12
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.2
15 Polish 17.42
16 Russian_Smolensk 17.67
17 Southwest_Russian 17.77
18 West_German 19.57
19 Tuscan 19.58
20 Belorussian 19.63

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.9% Moldavian + 13.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.82
2 70.4% Ukrainian + 29.6% Cyprian @ 3.85
3 55.4% Greek_Thessaly + 44.6% Southwest_Russian @ 3.86
4 60.1% Greek_Thessaly + 39.9% Estonian @ 3.87
5 59.3% Ukrainian + 40.7% Central_Greek @ 3.95
6 54.5% Greek_Thessaly + 45.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.97
7 63.2% Ukrainian + 36.8% South_Italian @ 4.06
8 50.2% Greek_Thessaly + 49.8% Ukrainian @ 4.07
9 71.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 28.1% Cyprian @ 4.15
10 50.2% Greek_Thessaly + 49.8% South_Polish @ 4.16
11 61.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 38.9% Central_Greek @ 4.21
12 50.6% Central_Greek + 49.4% Estonian @ 4.21
13 61.6% Greek_Thessaly + 38.4% Lithuanian @ 4.22
14 74% Ukrainian + 26% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.27
15 51.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 48.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.27
16 58% Greek_Thessaly + 42% Belorussian @ 4.27
17 70.6% South_Polish + 29.4% Cyprian @ 4.28
18 64.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 35.1% South_Italian @ 4.32
19 87.7% Moldavian + 12.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.36
20 54.9% Greek_Thessaly + 45.1% Polish @ 4.46

Eurogenes K36:

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Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 1.57 Pct
Basque 0.31 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 7.78 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 6.77 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 16.13 Pct
East_Med 8.89 Pct
Eastern_Euro 13.36 Pct
Fennoscandian 4.34 Pct
French 3.48 Pct
Iberian 5.36 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 16.90 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 5.03 Pct
North_Caucasian 0.31 Pct
North_Sea 3.58 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 0.59 Pct
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 4.97 Pct
West_Med 0.61 Pct

MDLP K16 Modern:

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 29.66
2 NorthEastEuropean 24.79
3 Neolithic 24.04
4 Steppe 18.63
5 NorthAfrican 1.78
6 Indian 0.9
7 Australian 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 3.96
2 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 4.11
3 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 4.12
4 Croat (Croatia) 4.4
5 Serbian (Serbia) 4.82
6 Moldavian (Molodva) 4.83
7 Romanian (Apuseni) 5.31
8 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 5.72
9 Cossack (Zaporozhie) 6.05
10 Hungarian (Budapest) 6.24
11 Slovenian (Slovenia) 6.33
12 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 6.39
13 Macedonian (Macedonia) 6.61
14 Austrian (Austria) 6.67
15 Romanian (Gorj) 6.78
16 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 6.81
17 Hungarian (Hungary) 6.88
18 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 8.18
19 German (SouthGermany) 8.28
20 Slovak (Slovakia) 8.35

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.7% Pole (EastPoland) + 17.3% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.46
2 80.8% Sorb (Lusatia) + 19.2% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.47
3 84% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 16% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.53
4 83.8% Slovak (Slovakia) + 16.2% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.71
5 92.7% Croat (Croatia) + 7.3% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.76
6 59.5% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 40.5% Pole (EastPoland) @ 2.82
7 85% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 15% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.83
8 91.8% Croat (Croatia) + 8.2% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.84
9 67.4% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 32.6% Belarusian (Kobryn_Brest) @ 2.86
10 70.5% Pole (EastPoland) + 29.5% Greek (Greece) @ 2.89
11 86.7% Hungarian (Hungary) + 13.3% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.89
12 91.3% Croat (Croatia) + 8.7% Adygei (Adygea) @ 2.89
13 68.2% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 31.8% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 2.91
14 92.5% Croat (Croatia) + 7.5% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.92
15 91.9% Croat (Croatia) + 8.1% Abkhazian (Gudauta) @ 2.92
16 87.5% Hungarian (Hungary) + 12.5% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.94
17 83.2% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 16.8% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.95
18 91.4% Croat (Croatia) + 8.6% Chechen (Chechnya) @ 2.96
19 85.9% Hungarian (Hungary) + 14.1% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.97
20 91.3% Croat (Croatia) + 8.7% Abkhazian_Lykhny (Lykhny) @ 2.97

Dodecad K12B:

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 41.52
2 Atlantic_Med 24.44
3 Caucasus 22.36
4 Gedrosia 5.52
5 Southwest_Asian 4.27
6 South_Asian 1.76
7 Siberian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 7.88
2 Hungarians (Behar) 8.99
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 9.77
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 10.49
5 German (Dodecad) 15.38
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 20.39
7 O_Italian (Dodecad) 21.08
8 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 21.61
9 Dutch (Dodecad) 21.77
10 Polish (Dodecad) 22.71
11 N_Italian (Dodecad) 22.71
12 French (Dodecad) 22.81
13 French (HGDP) 23.08
14 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 24.11
15 Kent (1000Genomes) 24.15
16 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 24.18
17 English (Dodecad) 24.39
18 Greek (Dodecad) 24.66
19 Swedish (Dodecad) 25.06
20 TSI30 (Metspalu) 25.21

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.9% Armenians (Behar) @ 1.62
2 85% Hungarians (Behar) + 15% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 1.66
3 85% Hungarians (Behar) + 15% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 1.66
4 81.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 18.4% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 1.97
5 85.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.7% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 2
6 85% Hungarians (Behar) + 15% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 2.07
7 85.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.6% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 2.08
8 82.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 17.7% Turks (Behar) @ 2.16
9 53.6% Romanians (Behar) + 46.4% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.42
10 52.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 47.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 2.45
11 84.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 15.6% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.53
12 72.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 27.5% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.53
13 77% Romanians (Behar) + 23% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.57
14 85.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.1% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.58
15 85.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.9% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.58
16 83.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 16.5% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.68
17 56.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 43.7% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.72
18 85.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.3% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.76
19 50.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 49.4% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.81
20 56.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 43.6% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.83

puntdnal K15:

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 49.13
2 Mediterranean 28.2
3 Caucasian 14.26
4 SW_Asian 5
5 S_Indian 1.86
6 Horn_Of_Africa 1.28
7 Amerindian 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.02
2 Croatian 4.18
3 Bosnian 6.01
4 Hungarian 6.14
5 South_German 7
6 Austrian 7.24
7 Utahn_White 7.42
8 Slovenian 7.44
9 French 8.01
10 Irish 8.06
11 Macedonian 8.12
12 Orcadian 9.16
13 English 9.2
14 Romanian 9.72
15 North_German 10.24
16 Bulgarian 10.29
17 Scottish 10.72
18 Norwegian 11.91
19 Montenegrin 12.22
20 Swedish 13.77

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.3% Irish + 14.7% Syrian @ 1.12
2 85.3% Irish + 14.7% Iraqi_Jew @ 1.13
3 87.9% Croatian + 12.1% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.17
4 89.3% Croatian + 10.7% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.21
5 73.6% Polish + 26.4% Cypriot @ 1.23
6 83% North_German + 17% Druze @ 1.25
7 84.8% Irish + 15.2% Lebanese @ 1.29
8 88.5% Croatian + 11.5% Sicilian @ 1.3
9 78.3% Swedish + 21.7% Druze @ 1.31
10 86.1% Slovenian + 13.9% Cypriot @ 1.31
11 85.5% Irish + 14.5% Jordanian @ 1.33
12 88.3% Hungarian + 11.7% Cypriot @ 1.33
13 86.8% Slovenian + 13.2% Samaritian @ 1.34
14 75.7% Hungarian + 24.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.34
15 77.7% Hungarian + 22.3% Greek_Central @ 1.35
16 56.3% Polish + 43.7% Greek_Central @ 1.35
17 54.9% Bosnian + 45.1% Austrian @ 1.36
18 92.4% Croatian + 7.6% Samaritian @ 1.37
19 87.4% Austrian + 12.6% Assyrian @ 1.39
20 84.8% Hungarian + 15.2% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.4

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

My mom's results:

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Cool man. Any notable differences when compared to your results on Eurogenes K13, K15?

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Originally Posted by Mr.G

Cool man. Any notable differences when compared to your results on Eurogenes K13, K15?

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She gets slightly more Northern European components than I do. Also more East Med compared to West Med, while in my case the opposite is true. And the noise, non-European, components seem to have been compressed - she scores no mongoloid, but a hightened South Asian, like that guy from Central Serbia.

However my kit, having been done with the old chip, gets over 2 times more SNPs on all of these calculators, so this is likely a bit imprecise.

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

She gets slightly more Northern European components than I do. Also more East Med compared to West Med, while in my case the opposite is true. And the noise, non-European, components seem to have been compressed - she scores no mongoloid, but a hightened South Asian, like that guy from Central Serbia.

However my kit, having been done with the old chip, gets over 2 times more SNPs on all of these calculators, so this is likely a bit imprecise.

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A silly question but does your mom look light? Blue eyes, light hair, things like that. No?

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Originally Posted by Leto

A silly question but does your mom look light? Blue eyes, light hair, things like that. No?

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No. Medium brown hair, hazel eyes. The traits on yourdnaportal say that she is more likely to have brown eyes than blue and that she has some genes for blonde hair. And she's 180 cm tall, in case that matters.

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

She gets slightly more Northern European components than I do. Also more East Med compared to West Med, while in my case the opposite is true. And the noise, non-European, components seem to have been compressed - she scores no mongoloid, but a hightened South Asian, like that guy from Central Serbia.

However my kit, having been done with the old chip, gets over 2 times more SNPs on all of these calculators, so this is likely a bit imprecise.

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I was wondering about the SNP's. I had noticed the elevated South Asian and did not remember that from your results.

I suppose it's possible that some of her results can be attributable to the lower SNP count, but still may very well be representative of some small variations between you two, quite interesting.

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

And the noise, non-European, components seem to have been compressed - she scores no mongoloid, but a hightened South Asian, like that guy from Central Serbia.

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Do you think it's noise? Around 2% S Asian. I'm not saying it can't be but here's a usual TA-style assumption: maybe distant Romani? :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Mr.G

I was wondering about the SNP's. I had noticed the elevated South Asian and did not remember that from your results.

I suppose it's possible that some of her results can be attributable to the lower SNP count, but still may very well be representative of some small variations between you two, quite interesting.

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Both FTDNA and MH provide the same amount of SNPs - 77k on Eurogenes. It changed back in early 2019.