Pontic Greek Gedmatch results

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K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

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Admix Results (sorted):

#        Population        Percent
1        East_Med        36.83
2        West_Med        31.92
3        North_Atlantic        10.52
4        West_Asian        8.82
5        Red_Sea        8.03
6        Baltic        2.73
7        Oceanian        0.86
8        Sub-Saharan        0.3

Single Population Sharing:

#        Population (source)        Distance
1        Algerian_Jewish        9.09
2        Italian_Jewish        11.1
3        Sephardic_Jewish        12.52
4        South_Italian        12.69
5        Tunisian_Jewish        13.58
6        Libyan_Jewish        13.84
7        East_Sicilian        14.48
8        Ashkenazi        14.92
9        West_Sicilian        15.32
10        Central_Greek        15.74
11        Cyprian        15.77
12        Italian_Abruzzo        18.49
13        Samaritan        20.47
14        Greek_Thessaly        20.62
15        Tuscan        20.64
16        Tunisian        21.09
17        Lebanese_Muslim        21.61
18        Lebanese_Christian        22.25
19        Syrian        22.3
20        Algerian        22.46

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#                Primary Population (source)        Secondary Population (source)        Distance
1                  56.4%        Samaritan        +        43.6%        Sardinian        @        3.2
2                  54.3%        Lebanese_Christian        +        45.7%        Sardinian        @        3.21
3                  51.5%        Lebanese_Druze        +        48.5%        Sardinian        @        4.42
4                  63.3%        Cyprian        +        36.7%        Sardinian        @        4.96
5                  52.5%        Palestinian        +        47.5%        Sardinian        @        5.47
6                  78.9%        Algerian_Jewish        +        21.1%        Sardinian        @        5.98
7                  68%        Tunisian_Jewish        +        32%        Sardinian        @        6.36
8                  55.3%        Lebanese_Muslim        +        44.7%        Sardinian        @        6.49
9                  52.1%        Jordanian        +        47.9%        Sardinian        @        6.63
10                  67.9%        Libyan_Jewish        +        32.1%        Sardinian        @        6.87
11                  54.5%        Syrian        +        45.5%        Sardinian        @        6.95
12                  75.2%        Italian_Jewish        +        24.8%        Sardinian        @        7.36
13                  52.6%        Sardinian        +        47.4%        Kurdish_Jewish        @        7.65
14                  53.2%        Sardinian        +        46.8%        Iranian_Jewish        @        7.76
15                  72.1%        Sephardic_Jewish        +        27.9%        Sardinian        @        7.85
16                  50.6%        Bedouin        +        49.4%        Sardinian        @        8.21
17                  57.9%        Sardinian        +        42.1%        Yemenite_Jewish        @        8.38
18                  97.6%        Algerian_Jewish        +        2.4%        French_Basque        @        9.02
19                  98.2%        Algerian_Jewish        +        1.8%        Southwest_French        @        9.07
20                  98.4%        Algerian_Jewish        +        1.6%        Spanish_Aragon        @        9.08

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K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

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Admix Results (sorted):

#        Population        Percent
1        East_Med        35.8
2        West_Med        23.88
3        West_Asian        16.11
4        North_Atlantic        9.48
5        Baltic        6.09
6        Red_Sea        5.67
7        East_Asian        0.99
8        Sub-Saharan        0.94
9        Oceanian        0.86
10        South_Asian        0.18

Single Population Sharing:

#        Population (source)        Distance
1        Algerian_Jewish        7.09
2        South_Italian        7.45
3        Cyprian        8.55
4        Italian_Jewish        8.59
5        Sephardic_Jewish        8.74
6        East_Sicilian        9.06
7        Ashkenazi        9.65
8        Central_Greek        9.69
9        Tunisian_Jewish        10.44
10        Libyan_Jewish        11.3
11        West_Sicilian        12.83
12        Italian_Abruzzo        13.83
13        Lebanese_Muslim        14.05
14        Syrian        15.62
15        Samaritan        16.04
16        Greek_Thessaly        16.12
17        Lebanese_Christian        17.02
18        Lebanese_Druze        18.24
19        Turkish        18.59
20        Jordanian        18.7

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#                Primary Population (source)        Secondary Population (source)        Distance
1                  83.8%        Cyprian        +        16.2%        Southwest_French        @        3.75
2                  54.4%        South_Italian        +        45.6%        Cyprian        @        3.8
3                  76.9%        Cyprian        +        23.1%        North_Italian        @        3.8
4                  61.7%        Cyprian        +        38.3%        West_Sicilian        @        3.91
5                  53.9%        Cyprian        +        46.1%        Central_Greek        @        3.95
6                  83.5%        Cyprian        +        16.5%        Spanish_Cantabria        @        3.97
7                  51.8%        Cyprian        +        48.2%        East_Sicilian        @        3.99
8                  71.8%        Cyprian        +        28.2%        Tuscan        @        4.05
9                  82.3%        Cyprian        +        17.7%        Spanish_Valencia        @        4.07
10                  81.8%        Cyprian        +        18.2%        Spanish_Andalucia        @        4.12
11                  82.4%        Cyprian        +        17.6%        Spanish_Galicia        @        4.16
12                  67.6%        Cyprian        +        32.4%        Greek_Thessaly        @        4.19
13                  82.9%        Cyprian        +        17.1%        Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha        @        4.23
14                  82.9%        Cyprian        +        17.1%        Spanish_Cataluna        @        4.23
15                  82%        Cyprian        +        18%        Portuguese        @        4.26
16                  81.8%        Cyprian        +        18.2%        Spanish_Extremadura        @        4.27
17                  81.9%        Cyprian        +        18.1%        Sardinian        @        4.28
18                  83.9%        Cyprian        +        16.1%        Spanish_Aragon        @        4.29
19                  82.9%        Cyprian        +        17.1%        Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon        @        4.31
20                  87.1%        Cyprian        +        12.9%        French_Basque        @        4.34

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Spoiler!

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Mycenaean steppe admixture had insignificant amount of 'Baltic'. Most modern Dodecanese islanders score more Baltic than ancient Greeks. Baltic didn't come out of nowhere, and it didn't come from adjacent populations (Italy, West Asia) as they too had no Baltic. So where do you propose it came from? Do you think it appeared out of thin air? :coffee:

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I'm proposing that it 100% appeared out of thin air, yes.

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Originally Posted by Roman-Anatolian

Thanks Konstantine. I was always wondering, are Pontians just hellenized or could we actually have some greek in our dna. If we trust the accuracy of these dna companies and programs we might have some. Who knows for sure? At least that is what we know from history.

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Pontic Greeks have been Greek for 3000 years("θάλαττα θάλαττα"). They are as Greek as other Greeks. The question is do you have mainland ancestry? Yes you do but no harm if you didn`t.

I see the Slavic agenda is well underway. Excellent. Of course noone cares to explain the complete lack of linguistic and cultural traces of Slavs in Greeks. Neither the simple fact that Greeks look clearly distinguishable from Bulgarians let alone Poles or Ukrainians. People know everything with almost no samples. Genetics means shit if they don`t allign with facts. Don`t forget Icelanders: they are much different than their ancestors because genetic drift.

Rant over.

You guys need to pick one: either he is what he says he is - Pontic mixed with Russian or he's what his genetic results show - Pontic mixed with mainlander/west Anatolian Greek. Currently, you're picking and choosing details from each narrative without a proper justification.

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Originally Posted by Konstantinos

I see the Slavic agenda is well underway. Excellent. Of course noone cares to explain the complete lack of linguistic and cultural traces of Slavs in Greeks. Neither the simple fact that Greeks look clearly distinguishable from Bulgarians let alone Poles or Ukrainians. People know everything with almost no samples. Genetics means shit if they don`t allign with facts. Don`t forget Icelanders: they are much different than their ancestors because genetic drift.

Rant over.

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The problem is that you keep insinuating that ancient Greeks were more 'northern' shifted than they actually were. You do realize they came from Anatolia, right? And, their admixture was mostly Early Farmer mixed with some Kura-Araxes. Their steppe admixture was extremely minminal, so if we actually got Indo-European language from Yamnaya they didn't effect the admixture much of Greek or Anatolian cultures that picked up IE languages much at all.

Now, modern mainlanders except for Cretans and Greek islanders have completely lost the Kura-Araxes admixture and gained more Yamnaya admixture. When do you think this event occured? I know there is a big lack of ancient Greek samples, and if we have some from even the early AD period we'd be able to confirm or deny certain theories. But I don't know why you would be ashamed to have some slight South Slavic admixture anyways. Many Greeks have Albanian and Bulgarian ancestry, why do you not like the idea of that?

About language and culture - the people who moved into Greece were not 100% Slavs. They were our northern neighbours who already had some Slavic admixture, AKA south Slavs. You seem to think they are the same as a Ukrainian or something, but they're not. The admixture is similar to ours but lacking the Kura-Araxes as I showed before, now you need to stop coming up with conspiracy theories - mainland Greece was never isolated like Iceland so I'm not sure why you're making a comparison.

Honest question here, do you think Greek admixture remained the same during these events?

https://i.imgur.com/EYf0Gfv.gif
https://i.imgur.com/4gxJdOh.gif
https://i.imgur.com/V19gJzO.gif

I doubt it, but I'm open to hear why you don't believe admixture did not change when there is so much evidence it did.

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Originally Posted by AncientGreek

The problem is that you keep insinuating that ancient Greeks were more 'northern' shifted than they actually were. You do realize they came from Anatolia, right? And, their admixture was mostly Early Farmer mixed with some Kura-Araxes. Their steppe admixture was extremely minminal, so if we actually got Indo-European language from Yamnaya they didn't effect the admixture much of Greek or Anatolian cultures that picked up IE languages much at all.

Now, modern mainlanders except for Cretans and Greek islanders have completely lost the Kura-Araxes admixture and gained more Yamnaya admixture. When do you think this event occured? I know there is a big lack of ancient Greek samples, and if we have some from even the early AD period we'd be able to confirm or deny certain theories. But I don't know why you would be ashamed to have some slight South Slavic admixture anyways. Many Greeks have Albanian and Bulgarian ancestry, why do you not like the idea of that?

About language and culture - the people who moved into Greece were not 100% Slavs. They were our northern neighbours who already had some Slavic admixture, AKA south Slavs. You seem to think they are the same as a Ukrainian or something, but they're not. The admixture is similar to ours but lacking the Kura-Araxes as I showed before, now you need to stop coming up with conspiracy theories - mainland Greece was never isolated like Iceland so I'm not sure why you're making a comparison.

Honest question here, do you think Greek admixture remained the same during these events?

https://i.imgur.com/EYf0Gfv.gif
https://i.imgur.com/4gxJdOh.gif
https://i.imgur.com/V19gJzO.gif

I doubt it, but I'm open to hear why you don't believe admixture did not change when there is so much evidence it did.

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Thats not evidence.

It's like saying this is evidence of Yamnaya input

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...century_BC.png

Thats just para politicking. Greek and Celtic expansion actually met.

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Originally Posted by Pine

You guys need to pick one: either he is what he says he is - Pontic mixed with Russian or he's what his genetic results show - Pontic mixed with mainlander/west Anatolian Greek. Currently, you're picking and choosing details from each narrative without a proper justification.

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Its not that easy - he gets different results from different calculators but he is closer to Greek_Azov.

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Originally Posted by Konstantinos

I see the Slavic agenda is well underway. Excellent. Of course noone cares to explain the complete lack of linguistic and cultural traces of Slavs in Greeks. Neither the simple fact that Greeks look clearly distinguishable from Bulgarians let alone Poles or Ukrainians. People know everything with almost no samples. Genetics means shit if they don`t allign with facts. Don`t forget Icelanders: they are much different than their ancestors because genetic drift.

Rant over.

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https://www.google.hr/search?q=slavi...EHr3XDUd9dMm6M

I really don't understand why some Greeks deny well documented Slavic settlement in Greece.
Even to this day there are slavophone villages in northern Greece, after all that assimilation.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

https://www.google.hr/search?q=slavi...EHr3XDUd9dMm6M

I really don't understand why some Greeks deny well documented Slavic settlement in Greece.
Even to this day there are slavophone villages in northern Greece, after all that assimilation.

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Its not that we deny it - South Slavs are not actually Slavs themselves.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

https://www.google.hr/search?q=slavi...EHr3XDUd9dMm6M

I really don't understand why some Greeks deny well documented Slavic settlement in Greece.
Even to this day there are slavophone villages in northern Greece, after all that assimilation.

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Yeah and only in Northern Greece realy ,there were no slavophone regions in the rest of Greece

Slavs left some admixture in Mainland Greece but they didn't have a massive impact everywhere neither did they invade or dominate whole of Greece for a long time if they would there would be no Greece today but it would be just another Balkan Slavic country like Croatia,Serbia or Bulgaria but its not