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03-01-2024, 06:17 PM
sacha

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damião de Góis

I didn't know i was in this.

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Target: Gil_Vicente Distance: 0.8593% / 0.00859277 64.8 Iberian 16.4 USA/Canada 12.6 Italian 4.8 Iberoamerican 0.6 Greek 0.4 French 0.4 South_Asian Target: Gil_Vicente Distance: 0.8608% / 0.00860752 43.8 Iberian:Spanish:Helen(Spanish) 20.2 Iberian:Spanish:Spaniard2.0_mom(Spain) 13.4 USA/Canada:Robert1_mother(American) 13.2 Italian:Sardinian:MotherDududud_scaled 4.8 Iberoamerican:JingleBell_scaled 3.0 USA/Canada:Titane(French_Canadian) 0.8 Iberian:Portuguese:FilhoV(Portuguese) 0.6 South_Asian:Amber29(Pakistan) 0.2 Greek:Panos_mother(PonticGreek) Distance to: Gil_Vicente 0.02169576 Iberian:Spanish:Spaniard2.0_mom(Spain) 0.02173603 Iberian:Spanish:Helen(Spanish) 0.02429195 Iberian:Portuguese:Lusitano(Portuguese) 0.02497818 Iberian:Portuguese:rxavierflima_wife(Portuguese) 0.02617256 Iberian:Spanish:Ibericus(Spanish) 0.02694744 Iberian:Portuguese:rxavierflima(Portuguese) 0.02864208 Iberian:Portuguese:Luso(Portuguese) 0.02895843 Iberian:Portuguese:ViriatoFather(Portuguese) 0.02970333 Iberian:Portuguese:PT_Tagus(Portuguese) 0.03023227 Iberian:Portuguese:FilhoV(Portuguese) 0.03101460 Iberian:Spanish:gixajo_dad_scaled 0.03169527 Iberian:Portuguese:Ruderico(Portuguese) 0.03195764 Iberian:Spanish:Defcon2(Spain) 0.03239357 Iberian:Spanish:DrewcastleGM(Spain) 0.03311171 Iberian:Spanish:Ravai(Spanish) 0.03311214 Iberian:Spanish:Ravai(Spanish) 0.03389214 Iberian:Spanish:Drewcastle(Spanish) 0.03412985 Iberian:Spanish:sweuro(Spanish) 0.03414508 French:Badger_mum(French) 0.03463345 Iberian:Spanish:Empecinado(Spanish) 0.03496040 Iberian:Spanish:Spaniard2.0_dad(Spain) 0.03521715 Iberian:Portuguese:Defski(Portuguese) 0.03651861 Iberian:Spanish:gixajo(Spanish) 0.03683852 Iberian:Spanish:gixajo_mom_scaled 0.03711701 Labriego(Spanish/Ashkenazi)

Some people might not be labeled correctly. Is Badger_mum(French) spanish?

Spoiler!

Distance to: French:Badger_mum(French)
0.01823975 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.01853433 Spanish_Cantabria
0.01911020 Spanish_Alacant
0.01914185 Spanish_Galicia
0.01925865 Spanish_Cataluna
0.01935776 Spanish_Castello
0.01955533 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.01978775 Spanish_Valencia
0.02017511 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02028791 Spanish_Pirineu
0.02035084 Spanish_Girona
0.02045473 Spanish_Lleida
0.02059784 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02072916 Spanish_Eivissa
0.02118774 Spanish_Penedes
0.02154537 Spanish_Extremadura
0.02172822 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.02175631 Spanish_Baleares
0.02227428 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02270823 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02276327 Portuguese
0.02310656 Spanish_Murcia
0.02395783 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.02397123 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02397481 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon

And Labriego, for someone half spanish half ashkenazi i would assume he would be in a more southeast position relative to Spain than Piedmont:

Spoiler!

Distance to: Labriego(Spanish/Ashkenazi)
0.02482080 Italian_Piedmont
0.02522261 Italian_Emilia
0.02774803 Italian_Tuscany
0.02878596 Swiss_Italian
0.02903528 Italian_Lombardy
0.03076629 Italian_Liguria
0.03114044 Spanish_Eivissa
0.03142472 Italian_Bergamo
0.03199860 French_Corsica
0.03263403 Italian_Marche
0.03356376 Italian_Umbria
0.03358414 Italian_Veneto
0.03418023 Portuguese
0.03424118 Spanish_Andalucia
0.03484684 Spanish_Extremadura
0.03592072 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.03602432 Spanish_Menorca
0.03608805 Spanish_Alacant
0.03617122 Spanish_Mallorca
0.03707606 Italian_Lazio
0.03719805 Spanish_Baleares
0.03728834 Spanish_Galicia
0.03788484 French_Provence
0.03803872 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.03843494 Spanish_Murcia

For Badger_mum— Badger_aunt seems to be French with overlap with Iberians (so probably SW). But I will banish Badger_mum to the bottom and labeled her French_OUTLIER help people's admixture calculations. Curated sheet will probably just be sections sans outliers.

Labriego, I don't know about, Ashkenazi can have varying amounts of... everything. Maybe he will clarify for us
03-01-2024, 06:41 PM
PaulieVanZant

#Oda# not on first place? :confused:

Distance to: Stahl
0.01783270 British_Isles:English:Creoda_Mum(English)
0.01839752 Germany&Netherlands:Dutch:Finn_Dad(North_Dutch)
0.01961905 Germany&Netherlands:#Oda#_scaled
0.01990842 Germany&Netherlands:rothaer_friend_SGR_scaled
0.02028588 Germany&Netherlands:Dutch:Folcwalding(North_Dutch)
0.02076287 Germany&Netherlands:rothaer_pat_aunt-in-law_scaled(W_Mecklenburg)
0.02117803 Germany&Netherlands:rothaer_mat_gfather-in-law_scaled(W_Mecklenburg)
0.02135713 British_Isles:Irish:Daco_Celtic_mom(Irish_American )
0.02156806 British_Isles:British:Hobknobbob12(British)
0.02189937 USA/Canada:Mitchell(American)
0.02216524 British_Isles:English:Anglecynn_Grandfather(Englis h)
0.02220693 Germany&Netherlands:rothaer_mother-in-law_scaled(W_Mecklenburg)
0.02227219 Germany&Netherlands:Dutch:Finn_Mom(North_Dutch)
0.02228793 USA/Canada:Robert1_aunt(American)
0.02257257 British_Isles:British:Aroon1916(Irish/English)
0.02303114 Germany&Netherlands:German:rothaer_child6(East-German)
0.02327183 British_Isles:British:ajc347(British)
0.02350138 British_Isles:English:Creoda_ff_Pauline(English)
0.02463625 British_Isles:Irish:celticdragongod(Irish)
0.02503796 USA/Canada:SouthDutch7991_Maternal_Grandfather(US)
0.02507313 British_Isles:Scottish:Ais(Scottish)
0.02507710 USA/Canada:Sea_Warrior(American)
0.02512227 Germany&Netherlands:Dutch:Kellebel_father(Dutch)
0.02533801 British_Isles:Irish:Grace_O'Malley(Irish)
0.02545028 Germany&Netherlands:Dutch:CGPF_mother(Dutch)

Target: Stahl
Distance: 0.6707% / 0.00670694
40.4 British_Isles
28.6 Germany&Netherlands
17.8 USA/Canada
10.8 Northern_Slavs
2.0 cakmir7y_scaled(czech)
0.4 French
03-01-2024, 08:09 PM
Melkiirs

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damião de Góis

I didn't know i was in this.

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Target: Gil_Vicente Distance: 0.8593% / 0.00859277 64.8 Iberian 16.4 USA/Canada 12.6 Italian 4.8 Iberoamerican 0.6 Greek 0.4 French 0.4 South_Asian Target: Gil_Vicente Distance: 0.8608% / 0.00860752 43.8 Iberian:Spanish:Helen(Spanish) 20.2 Iberian:Spanish:Spaniard2.0_mom(Spain) 13.4 USA/Canada:Robert1_mother(American) 13.2 Italian:Sardinian:MotherDududud_scaled 4.8 Iberoamerican:JingleBell_scaled 3.0 USA/Canada:Titane(French_Canadian) 0.8 Iberian:Portuguese:FilhoV(Portuguese) 0.6 South_Asian:Amber29(Pakistan) 0.2 Greek:Panos_mother(PonticGreek) Distance to: Gil_Vicente 0.02169576 Iberian:Spanish:Spaniard2.0_mom(Spain) 0.02173603 Iberian:Spanish:Helen(Spanish) 0.02429195 Iberian:Portuguese:Lusitano(Portuguese) 0.02497818 Iberian:Portuguese:rxavierflima_wife(Portuguese) 0.02617256 Iberian:Spanish:Ibericus(Spanish) 0.02694744 Iberian:Portuguese:rxavierflima(Portuguese) 0.02864208 Iberian:Portuguese:Luso(Portuguese) 0.02895843 Iberian:Portuguese:ViriatoFather(Portuguese) 0.02970333 Iberian:Portuguese:PT_Tagus(Portuguese) 0.03023227 Iberian:Portuguese:FilhoV(Portuguese) 0.03101460 Iberian:Spanish:gixajo_dad_scaled 0.03169527 Iberian:Portuguese:Ruderico(Portuguese) 0.03195764 Iberian:Spanish:Defcon2(Spain) 0.03239357 Iberian:Spanish:DrewcastleGM(Spain) 0.03311171 Iberian:Spanish:Ravai(Spanish) 0.03311214 Iberian:Spanish:Ravai(Spanish) 0.03389214 Iberian:Spanish:Drewcastle(Spanish) 0.03412985 Iberian:Spanish:sweuro(Spanish) 0.03414508 French:Badger_mum(French) 0.03463345 Iberian:Spanish:Empecinado(Spanish) 0.03496040 Iberian:Spanish:Spaniard2.0_dad(Spain) 0.03521715 Iberian:Portuguese:Defski(Portuguese) 0.03651861 Iberian:Spanish:gixajo(Spanish) 0.03683852 Iberian:Spanish:gixajo_mom_scaled 0.03711701 Labriego(Spanish/Ashkenazi)

Some people might not be labeled correctly. Is Badger_mum(French) spanish?

Spoiler!

Distance to: French:Badger_mum(French)
0.01823975 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.01853433 Spanish_Cantabria
0.01911020 Spanish_Alacant
0.01914185 Spanish_Galicia
0.01925865 Spanish_Cataluna
0.01935776 Spanish_Castello
0.01955533 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.01978775 Spanish_Valencia
0.02017511 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02028791 Spanish_Pirineu
0.02035084 Spanish_Girona
0.02045473 Spanish_Lleida
0.02059784 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02072916 Spanish_Eivissa
0.02118774 Spanish_Penedes
0.02154537 Spanish_Extremadura
0.02172822 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.02175631 Spanish_Baleares
0.02227428 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02270823 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02276327 Portuguese
0.02310656 Spanish_Murcia
0.02395783 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.02397123 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02397481 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon

And Labriego, for someone half spanish half ashkenazi i would assume he would be in a more southeast position relative to Spain than Piedmont:

Spoiler!

Distance to: Labriego(Spanish/Ashkenazi)
0.02482080 Italian_Piedmont
0.02522261 Italian_Emilia
0.02774803 Italian_Tuscany
0.02878596 Swiss_Italian
0.02903528 Italian_Lombardy
0.03076629 Italian_Liguria
0.03114044 Spanish_Eivissa
0.03142472 Italian_Bergamo
0.03199860 French_Corsica
0.03263403 Italian_Marche
0.03356376 Italian_Umbria
0.03358414 Italian_Veneto
0.03418023 Portuguese
0.03424118 Spanish_Andalucia
0.03484684 Spanish_Extremadura
0.03592072 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.03602432 Spanish_Menorca
0.03608805 Spanish_Alacant
0.03617122 Spanish_Mallorca
0.03707606 Italian_Lazio
0.03719805 Spanish_Baleares
0.03728834 Spanish_Galicia
0.03788484 French_Provence
0.03803872 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.03843494 Spanish_Murcia

If you look at a PCA graph Labriego's cluster makes perfect sense, assuming when he said his father was from Castile he meant from the far Northeast of Castile & Leon closer to Basque lands such as around Soria.

I made a PCA showing how both of our clusters differs from expectation based on midpoint. I write "guess" because neither his parents nor my mother's coordinates are available so they are estimated based on ethnicity. Assuming his father is indeed from Soria he is about as far from his expected cluster as I am from mine:

Spoiler!

https://i.ibb.co/ZmW5FLF/PCA3.png

If his father came from a more Southwesterly area of Castile Labriego's predicted cluster might be closer to Tuscany and thus he could be notably more Northwestern in cluster than expected. Even say he was from Ciudad Real in the West of Castile-La Mancha I think the normal range of individual variation for both Spanish and Ashkenazi could account for the discrepancy. I will have to ask him for more specific information.
03-01-2024, 08:45 PM
JerryS.

Why does it not pull any of the other Hungarians in the source though? It would seem to me that that Hungarian as a target would pulled some of the other Hungarians that are in the source as part of its admixture.
03-01-2024, 08:56 PM
sacha

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerryS.

Why does it not pull any of the other Hungarians in the source though? It would seem to me that that Hungarian as a target would pulled some of the other Hungarians that are in the source as part of its admixture.

It's just that he can be modeled better with other sources, instead of Hungarian + other sources. It is the same reason why your closest distance doesn't always show up in your admixture; it maximizes fit. Just the way the math works out. Take out some sources and see what happens, or plot him on the PCA
03-01-2024, 08:58 PM
Pedro Ruben

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 0.7666% / 0.00766615
54.8 Iberian
12.0 USA/Canada
9.8 North_Africa
8.4 British_Isles
7.2 Iberoamerican
6.8 Italian
1.0 Germany&Netherlands

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 0.7673% / 0.00767282
23.0 Iberian:Portuguese:Luso(Portuguese)
14.0 USA/Canada:lehmannt(American)
12.4 Iberian:Spanish:sweuro(Spanish)
8.6 Iberian:Portuguese:Ruderico(Portuguese)
7.6 Iberian:Portuguese:FilhoV(Portuguese)
7.4 Italian:Sardinian:MotherDududud_scaled
6.2 North_Africa:Berber:Achahboune(Berber)
5.6 British_Isles:Irish:FionnSneachta(Irish)
4.8 Iberoamerican:Kriptc_23nme(Brazilian)
2.2 British_Isles:British:IceQueen(British)
2.2 North_Africa:Coptic_Egyptian:nee4speed111(Coptic)
2.0 Iberian:Portuguese:PT_Tagus(Portuguese)
2.0 Iberoamerican:JingleBell_scaled
1.4 North_Africa:Berber:Adammm(Berber)
0.4 Germany&Netherlands:German:rothaer_child3(East-German)
0.2 CordedWife(1/2cuban1/2texmax

Distance to: Pedro_scaled
0.02256439 Iberian:Portuguese:PT_Tagus(Portuguese)
0.02264778 Iberian:Portuguese:Luso(Portuguese)
0.02736168 Iberian:Portuguese:rxavierflima_wife(Portuguese)
0.02844344 Iberian:Portuguese:Gil_Vicente(Portuguese)
0.02969672 Iberian:Portuguese:Ruderico(Portuguese)
0.03046975 Iberian:Portuguese:FilhoV(Portuguese)
0.03048564 Iberian:Spanish:Spaniard2.0_mom(Spain)
0.03071097 Iberian:Portuguese:Lusitano(Portuguese)
0.03297099 Iberian:Spanish:Ibericus(Spanish)
0.03316235 Iberian:Portuguese:rxavierflima(Portuguese)
0.03420424 Iberian:Portuguese:ViriatoFather(Portuguese)
0.03530113 Iberian:Spanish:Ravai(Spanish)
0.03530145 Iberian:Spanish:Ravai(Spanish)
0.03563342 Iberian:Spanish:Defcon2(Spain)
0.03636893 Iberian:Spanish:Helen(Spanish)
0.03863626 Iberian:Spanish:sweuro(Spanish)
0.03952365 Iberian:Portuguese:Ruderico_Mrs(Portuguese)
0.03963898 Iberian:Spanish:DrewcastleGM(Spain)
0.04085595 Badger_mum(French_OUTLIER)
0.04191752 Iberian:Spanish:gixajo_dad_scaled
0.04249569 Iberian:Spanish:Spaniard2.0_dad(Spain)
0.04259030 Iberian:Portuguese:Defski(Portuguese)
0.04360587 Iberian:Spanish:Empecinado(Spanish)
0.04376331 USA/Canada:Vivaldi4Stagioni(American)
0.04428071 Labriego(Spanish/Ashkenazi)

Target: Dad_scaled
Distance: 0.8787% / 0.00878731
43.4 Iberian
19.4 French
14.0 Flashball_mother(Sardo-Française)
11.0 North_Africa
6.6 Iberoamerican
5.2 Northern_Slavs
0.4 HMx_scaled

Target: Mom_scaled
Distance: 1.3970% / 0.01396970
71.6 Iberian
8.4 USA/Canada
7.6 British_Isles
4.8 Iberoamerican
3.8 French
3.8 North_Africa
03-01-2024, 08:59 PM
Kazimiera

Closest to Rothaer and his extended family

0.02578972 Germany&Netherlands:German:rothaer_father(East-German)
0.02736861 Germany&Netherlands:German:rothaer_child6(East-German)
0.02788035 Germany&Netherlands:rothaer_child4_scaled(E_German )
0.02904971 USA/Canada:boilermeschew827(American)
0.02925174 Germany&Netherlands:rothaer_mat_gmother-in-law_scaled(W_Mecklenburg)
0.02961444 Germany&Netherlands:German:rothaer(East-German)
0.02967542 CordedMother_scaled
0.02984237 Germany&Netherlands:rothaer_half_1C1R_ML_scaled(E_ German)
0.03068654 Germany&Netherlands:German:rothaer_child5(East-German)
0.03150827 Germany&Netherlands:rothaer_friend_SGR_scaled
0.03155585 Germany&Netherlands:German:rothaer_child7(East-German)
0.03162838 USA/Canada:PoxVoldius(American)
0.03177983 Germany&Netherlands:rothaer_mat_gfather-in-law_scaled(W_Mecklenburg)
0.03270020 Germany&Netherlands:German:rothaer_wife2(W_Mecklen burg)
0.03283635 Germany&Netherlands:German:rothaer_child2(East-German)
0.03294346 West_Balkan:FeiichyFriend:Martin(Croat)
0.03321882 Germany&Netherlands:German:rothaer_mother(East-German)
0.03325127 Germany&Netherlands:German:rothaer_child3(East-German)
0.03326983 Germany&Netherlands:rothaer_mother-in-law_scaled(W_Mecklenburg)
0.03446614 Germany&Netherlands:German:rothaer_child8(East-German)
0.03462271 Germany&Netherlands:rothaer_pat_aunt-in-law_scaled(W_Mecklenburg)
0.03523454 West_Balkan:ph2ter_son(Croatian)
0.03525693 Germany&Netherlands:rothaer_distant_relative_EvaF_ scaled(South_Harz)
0.03531884 West_Balkan:ph2ter_wife(Croatian)
0.03547886 West_Balkan:ph2ter(Croatian)

37.0 Germany&Netherlands
33.4 Northern_Slavs
16.6 British_Isles
6.0 USA/Canada
4.6 Iberoamerican
2.4 South_Asian
03-01-2024, 09:19 PM
Kiel

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerryS.

Why does it not pull any of the other Hungarians in the source though? It would seem to me that that Hungarian as a target would pulled some of the other Hungarians that are in the source as part of its admixture.

He seems alright.

https://i.ibb.co/gV2QCfN/pcata2.png
https://i.ibb.co/xYPwXZw/pcata.png
03-01-2024, 09:26 PM
JerryS.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sacha

It's just that he can be modeled better with other sources, instead of Hungarian + other sources. It is the same reason why your closest distance doesn't always show up in your admixture; it maximizes fit. Just the way the math works out. Take out some sources and see what happens, or plot him on the PCA

I yield to the experts on this. Thank you for your patience and breaking it down for me.
03-01-2024, 09:28 PM
rothaer

Quote:

Originally Posted by PlattitüdenPaule

#Oda# not on first place? :confused:

Distance to: Stahl
0.01783270 British_Isles:English:Creoda_Mum(English)
0.01839752 Germany&Netherlands:Dutch:Finn_Dad(North_Dutch)
0.01961905 Germany&Netherlands:#Oda#_scaled
0.01990842 Germany&Netherlands:rothaer_friend_SGR_scaled
0.02028588 Germany&Netherlands:Dutch:Folcwalding(North_Dutch)
0.02076287 Germany&Netherlands:rothaer_pat_aunt-in-law_scaled(W_Mecklenburg)
0.02117803 Germany&Netherlands:rothaer_mat_gfather-in-law_scaled(W_Mecklenburg)
0.02135713 British_Isles:Irish:Daco_Celtic_mom(Irish_American )
0.02156806 British_Isles:British:Hobknobbob12(British)
0.02189937 USA/Canada:Mitchell(American)
0.02216524 British_Isles:English:Anglecynn_Grandfather(Englis h)
0.02220693 Germany&Netherlands:rothaer_mother-in-law_scaled(W_Mecklenburg)
0.02227219 Germany&Netherlands:Dutch:Finn_Mom(North_Dutch)
0.02228793 USA/Canada:Robert1_aunt(American)
0.02257257 British_Isles:British:Aroon1916(Irish/English)
0.02303114 Germany&Netherlands:German:rothaer_child6(East-German)
0.02327183 British_Isles:British:ajc347(British)
0.02350138 British_Isles:English:Creoda_ff_Pauline(English)
0.02463625 British_Isles:Irish:celticdragongod(Irish)
0.02503796 USA/Canada:SouthDutch7991_Maternal_Grandfather(US)
0.02507313 British_Isles:Scottish:Ais(Scottish)
0.02507710 USA/Canada:Sea_Warrior(American)
0.02512227 Germany&Netherlands:Dutch:Kellebel_father(Dutch)
0.02533801 British_Isles:Irish:Grace_O'Malley(Irish)
0.02545028 Germany&Netherlands:Dutch:CGPF_mother(Dutch)

Target: Stahl
Distance: 0.6707% / 0.00670694
40.4 British_Isles
28.6 Germany&Netherlands
17.8 USA/Canada
10.8 Northern_Slavs
2.0 cakmir7y_scaled(czech)
0.4 French

#Oda# has a lot of DNA that makes her somewhat unpleasant and you lack that. :p

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*UPDATED* G25 Modeling with TA members

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