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08-07-2025, 01:39 AM
Gannicus

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Originally Posted by Croatian Legend

May i ask why you try to model yourself with natufian like components? Do you have ancestry from there? Just wondering, since i tried to create models with natufian in it for myself and it fails.

I'm glad you asked! It all started when I uploaded my DNA file to gedmatch a few years ago and was seeing results like this:

Eurogenes k13: North_Atlantic 50.78 Pct
Baltic 20.29 Pct
West_Med 14.55 Pct
West_Asian 5.04 Pct
East_Med 3.71 Pct
Red_Sea 3.71 Pct
South_Asian 0.55 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.9 Pct
Oceanian 0.39 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.09 Pct

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.9% Southwest_English + 4.1% Saudi @ 2.11
2 81.4% West_Scottish + 18.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.32
3 96.3% Southwest_English + 3.7% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.35
4 80% West_Scottish + 20% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.39
5 79.8% West_Scottish + 20.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.43
6 80.5% West_Scottish + 19.5% Portuguese @ 2.46
7 95.9% Southwest_English + 4.1% Bedouin @ 2.48
8 81.3% West_Scottish + 18.7% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.51
9 81.4% West_Scottish + 18.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.56
10 96.1% Southwest_English + 3.9% Egyptian @ 2.59
11 96.1% Southwest_English + 3.9% Palestinian @ 2.61
12 69.7% West_Scottish + 30.3% French @ 2.66
13 96.2% Southwest_English + 3.8% Jordanian @ 2.67
14 96.1% Southwest_English + 3.9% Syrian @ 2.69
15 95.7% Southwest_English + 4.3% Moroccan @ 2.69
16 95.6% Southwest_English + 4.4% Algerian @ 2.7
17 79.3% Irish + 20.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.7
18 81.1% Irish + 18.9% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.71
19 83.2% West_Scottish + 16.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.71
20 96.4% Southwest_English + 3.6% Samaritan @ 2.72

And in G25:

Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0171% / 0.01706667 | R5P
45.3 Irish
28.9 Icelandic
22.7 Spanish_Soria
3.1 Yemenite_Jew

Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0175% / 0.01749323 | R3P
77.3 Irish
19.9 Spanish_Soria
2.8 Saudi

"World Countries Calculator" list:

Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0193% / 0.01930650 | R5P
61.3 Ireland
13.6 Iceland
11.7 France
11.2 Spain
2.2 Yemen

Distance to: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
0.01979896 23.20% Spain + 76.80% Ireland
0.01994210 32.40% France + 67.60% Ireland
0.02028329 20.40% Portugal + 79.60% Ireland
0.02041020 26.60% Switzerland + 73.40% Ireland
0.02056362 13.60% Spain + 86.40% Wales
0.02060842 12.00% Portugal + 88.00% Wales
0.02064201 4.40% Palestine + 95.60% Wales
0.02064660 3.60% Yemen + 96.40% Wales
0.02077307 3.40% Saudi_Arabia + 96.60% Wales
0.02077975 21.00% Spain + 79.00% Scotland
0.02078383 19.40% France + 80.60% Wales
0.02083812 4.20% Jordan + 95.80% Wales
0.02089739 29.80% France + 70.20% Scotland
0.02094917 15.00% Switzerland + 85.00% Wales
0.02096239 4.40% Lebanon + 95.60% Wales
0.02096458 4.60% Cyprus + 95.40% Wales
0.02098500 32.60% Spain + 67.40% Iceland
0.02099838 3.40% Tunisia + 96.60% Wales
0.02100424 4.60% Syria + 95.40% Wales
0.02100611 49.20% Belgium + 50.80% Ireland
0.02100744 3.60% United_Arab_Emirates + 96.40% Wales
0.02103141 8.00% Italy + 92.00% Wales
0.02103156 6.00% Israel + 94.00% Wales
0.02105459 3.20% Libya + 96.80% Wales
0.02107681 3.80% Egypt + 96.20% Wales

I'm rigorously testing now with qpAdm to correlate with these results and others.

Also, ANFs have Natufian or Natufian like admix too. Barcin is around 15% Natufian or Natufian like.
08-07-2025, 01:58 AM
Croatian Legend

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Originally Posted by Gannicus

I'm glad you asked! It all started when I uploaded my DNA file to gedmatch a few years ago and was seeing results like this:

Eurogenes k13: North_Atlantic 50.78 Pct
Baltic 20.29 Pct
West_Med 14.55 Pct
West_Asian 5.04 Pct
East_Med 3.71 Pct
Red_Sea 3.71 Pct
South_Asian 0.55 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.9 Pct
Oceanian 0.39 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.09 Pct

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.9% Southwest_English + 4.1% Saudi @ 2.11
2 81.4% West_Scottish + 18.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.32
3 96.3% Southwest_English + 3.7% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.35
4 80% West_Scottish + 20% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.39
5 79.8% West_Scottish + 20.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.43
6 80.5% West_Scottish + 19.5% Portuguese @ 2.46
7 95.9% Southwest_English + 4.1% Bedouin @ 2.48
8 81.3% West_Scottish + 18.7% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.51
9 81.4% West_Scottish + 18.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.56
10 96.1% Southwest_English + 3.9% Egyptian @ 2.59
11 96.1% Southwest_English + 3.9% Palestinian @ 2.61
12 69.7% West_Scottish + 30.3% French @ 2.66
13 96.2% Southwest_English + 3.8% Jordanian @ 2.67
14 96.1% Southwest_English + 3.9% Syrian @ 2.69
15 95.7% Southwest_English + 4.3% Moroccan @ 2.69
16 95.6% Southwest_English + 4.4% Algerian @ 2.7
17 79.3% Irish + 20.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.7
18 81.1% Irish + 18.9% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.71
19 83.2% West_Scottish + 16.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.71
20 96.4% Southwest_English + 3.6% Samaritan @ 2.72

And in G25:

Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0171% / 0.01706667 | R5P
45.3 Irish
28.9 Icelandic
22.7 Spanish_Soria
3.1 Yemenite_Jew

Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0175% / 0.01749323 | R3P
77.3 Irish
19.9 Spanish_Soria
2.8 Saudi

"World Countries Calculator" list:

Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0193% / 0.01930650 | R5P
61.3 Ireland
13.6 Iceland
11.7 France
11.2 Spain
2.2 Yemen

Distance to: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
0.01979896 23.20% Spain + 76.80% Ireland
0.01994210 32.40% France + 67.60% Ireland
0.02028329 20.40% Portugal + 79.60% Ireland
0.02041020 26.60% Switzerland + 73.40% Ireland
0.02056362 13.60% Spain + 86.40% Wales
0.02060842 12.00% Portugal + 88.00% Wales
0.02064201 4.40% Palestine + 95.60% Wales
0.02064660 3.60% Yemen + 96.40% Wales
0.02077307 3.40% Saudi_Arabia + 96.60% Wales
0.02077975 21.00% Spain + 79.00% Scotland
0.02078383 19.40% France + 80.60% Wales
0.02083812 4.20% Jordan + 95.80% Wales
0.02089739 29.80% France + 70.20% Scotland
0.02094917 15.00% Switzerland + 85.00% Wales
0.02096239 4.40% Lebanon + 95.60% Wales
0.02096458 4.60% Cyprus + 95.40% Wales
0.02098500 32.60% Spain + 67.40% Iceland
0.02099838 3.40% Tunisia + 96.60% Wales
0.02100424 4.60% Syria + 95.40% Wales
0.02100611 49.20% Belgium + 50.80% Ireland
0.02100744 3.60% United_Arab_Emirates + 96.40% Wales
0.02103141 8.00% Italy + 92.00% Wales
0.02103156 6.00% Israel + 94.00% Wales
0.02105459 3.20% Libya + 96.80% Wales
0.02107681 3.80% Egypt + 96.20% Wales

I'm rigorously testing now with qpAdm to correlate with these results and others.

Also, ANFs have Natufian or Natufian like admix too. Barcin is around 15% Natufian or Natufian like.

Ok i see where you are coming from. Well i can already asure you to completly ditch the breakdowns from G25 and the official Davdski files.
Vahaduo and the g25 coords is only trying to place you on a certain point in a pca nothing more nothing less. you being pretty much northwest european that maybe has some stong neolthic signal pushes you little south. That is why Vahaduo/g25 uses extreme points! Which is misleading!

Again Vahaduo is only good for general clustering nothing more. Gedmatch is the same and pretty outdated !
08-07-2025, 02:04 AM
Croatian Legend

Also Vahaduo is also very bad at seperating EEF from CHG or rather it overastimtes EEF . Me being the perfect example looking at my QPADM results and also my other DNA rsults. I will never again take davdskis coords serious and any other amateur tool after what i have learned and read thru various actuall scientific papers!
I just find it funny how he pushes a certain agenda .

So don´t take it serious.
08-07-2025, 02:07 AM
Gannicus

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Originally Posted by Croatian Legend

Ok i see where you are coming from. Well i can already asure you to completly ditch the breakdowns from G25 and the official Davdski files.
Vahaduo and the g25 coords is only trying to place you on a certain point in a pca nothing more nothing less. you being pretty much northwest european that maybe has some stong neolthic signal pushes you little south. That is why Vahaduo/g25 uses extreme points! Which is misleading!

Again Vahaduo is only good for general clustering nothing more. Gedmatch is the same and pretty outdated !

I have seen that idea before that it's just extra EEF/ANF. My hypothesis is that it's that plus a little extra dash of post neolithic geneflow from the MENA.

You are from Croatia right? And you haven't been able to model with Natufian heavy populations?
08-07-2025, 02:31 AM
Croatian Legend

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gannicus

I have seen that idea before that it's just extra EEF/ANF. My hypothesis is that it's that plus a little extra dash of post neolithic geneflow from the MENA.

You are from Croatia right? And you haven't been able to model with Natufian heavy populations?

Yes i tried it and it fails. As i said in my previous post i will never take vahaduo or davdskis model serious!

Yes i am Croat by ethnicity.
08-07-2025, 02:44 AM
Gannicus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Croatian Legend

Yes i tried it and it fails. As i said in my previous post i will never take vahaduo or davdskis model serious!

Yes i am Croat by ethnicity.

May need to experiment further with different reference populations and different sources. I would assume that your ANF admix would be higher than me. I shared my Steppe/ANF/WHG and I'm 40% Barcin ANF. I'm experimenting with Sintashta now.
08-07-2025, 02:53 AM
Croatian Legend

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gannicus

May need to experiment further with different reference populations and different sources. I would assume that your ANF admix would be higher than me. I shared my Steppe/ANF/WHG and I'm 40% Barcin ANF. I'm experimenting with Sintashta now.

Well the Dinaric plain was actually a safe haven for CHG's that came thru various waves. looking at papers they can confim it as also my qpadm run confirms it in my case. Now before some people might wonder , why am i not then close Georgians and such is simple. CHG ≠ CHG the CHG that i seem to contain is an older form and not mixed with natufian or iran-n or very little it seems.
08-07-2025, 02:56 AM
Croatian Legend

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gannicus

May need to experiment further with different reference populations and different sources. I would assume that your ANF admix would be higher than me. I shared my Steppe/ANF/WHG and I'm 40% Barcin ANF. I'm experimenting with Sintashta now.

And as you can see i only have 27- 30% EEF which places me at lowest among Europeans . The only explanation i have why i can be also modelt with AHG instead of EEF and still get excellent p-value is perhabs because i seem to have some old neolthic/anatolian line even tho small but still.
08-07-2025, 03:23 AM
Gannicus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Croatian Legend

And as you can see i only have 27- 30% EEF which places me at lowest among Europeans . The only explanation i have why i can be also modelt with AHG instead of EEF and still get excellent p-value is perhabs because i seem to have some old neolthic/anatolian line even tho small but still.

Have you tried the simple 3-way: Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya, Turkey_Marmara_Barcin_N, and Loschbour? Because if you are doing mesolithic like based admixture model, your CHG would be coming from the Western Steppe Herders.
08-07-2025, 03:31 AM
Croatian Legend

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gannicus

Have you tried the simple 3-way: Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya, Turkey_Marmara_Barcin_N, and Loschbour? Because if you are doing mesolithic like based admixture model, your CHG would be coming from the Western Steppe Herders.

yes i have tried it and the p value goes way below 0,05! Yes i certainly have CHG from Steppe herders but you had other influx of CHG that came to the dinaric plain via Anatolia from Caucasus and maybe around the black sea.

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