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09-04-2019, 09:58 AM
Oghuz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Persians have significant more Gedrosian/Baloch admixture overall. Edging 10% difference on average.

Btw. It was a random Iranian azeri sample.

Thats the CHG component. Neolithic influence.

Also depends upon what kind of persian are we talking about.
09-04-2019, 09:59 AM
Oghuz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babak

Tehrani persians are most likely assimilated azeris and kurds who mixed with remaining persian speakers over time. Thats why theres some differences in their Adna since Tehran wasn't that populated back then.

Tehran is full of mixtures of kurds, azeris, caspians and persians, lurs. Someone who is like a Tehran native can not claim to be a pure persian that easily.
09-04-2019, 10:13 AM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by meson

As per my taxonomy by members here, I am the most typical textbook Kebob Iranian ever to have been born.

I have never seen you but I meant by DNA.
09-04-2019, 10:58 AM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by meson

As per my taxonomy by members here, I am the most typical textbook Kebob Iranian ever to have been born.

Not true. A lot of members say you look a bit Med shifted for an Iranian but you always seem to get offended by it :D
09-04-2019, 11:00 AM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by meson

Thats the CHG component. Neolithic influence.

Also depends upon what kind of persian are we talking about.

What's the difference between CHG component and Caucasus related autosomal DNA? I think Iran_Neo is slightly different.
09-04-2019, 11:05 AM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by hussein khan

Excluding balochs, many bandaris and some other easterners, mazandaranis would be the most CHG-shifted iranians. ALthough they do get a bit more caucasian than other iranians(like 40-45%), they never seem to get less than 30% baloch(from the 9 samples i seen)and always around 31-32% baloch. THey also seem slightly more SI-shifted. Out of all the 9 samples i seen, only 2 got like below 4,5% SI(one got like 3%, while maybe the other 4%). THe rest just got close to 5% and some even 6%. THey even get less med than the other iranians. TBH, i wouldnt be suprised if theyre inbetween lebanese and afghans and slightly closer to turks than to afghans. That means azeris have some significant differencees(and specially the ones from the west getting less than 20% baloch and some mong in harrappaworld). But thats from only the 9 samples i seen….

That's my fathers result, Azeri mostly with 1 Mazandarani Grandmother

1 Caucasian 39.44
2 Baloch 21.23
3 NE-Euro 10.91
4 SW-Asian 8.6
5 Mediterranean 6.88
6 S-Indian 4.26
7 NE-Asian 3.91
8 Siberian 3.58
9 Beringian 0.52
10 E-African 0.44
11 SE-Asian 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 azeri (harappa) 5.96
2 iranian (harappa) 7.14
3 turkish (harappa) 7.16
4 kurd (harappa) 7.68
5 kurd (yunusbayev) 9.44
6 iranian (behar) 9.49
7 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 9.54
8 turk (behar) 10.12
9 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 10.16
10 kurd (xing) 10.58
11 armenian (harappa) 11.68
12 turkmen (yunusbayev) 11.69
13 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 12.43
14 kumyk (yunusbayev) 12.52
15 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 13.37
16 stalskoe (xing) 13.84
17 iraqi-arab (harappa) 15.38
18 assyrian (harappa) 16.75
19 lezgin (behar) 16.92
20 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 18.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.4% turk (behar) + 20.6% bhatia (harappa) @ 2.33
2 77.2% turk (behar) + 22.8% pathan (hgdp) @ 2.4
3 78.3% turk (behar) + 21.7% sindhi (harappa) @ 2.57
4 72.3% turk (behar) + 27.7% pashtun (harappa) @ 2.57
5 78.7% turk (behar) + 21.3% burusho (hgdp) @ 2.72
6 77.1% turk (behar) + 22.9% kalash (hgdp) @ 2.78
7 79.5% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) + 20.5% bhatia (harappa) @ 2.8
8 77.3% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) + 22.7% pathan (hgdp) @ 2.8
9 77% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) + 23% kalash (hgdp) @ 2.84
10 80.9% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) + 19.1% balochi (hgdp) @ 2.91
11 72.4% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) + 27.6% pashtun (harappa) @ 2.98
12 79.7% turk (behar) + 20.3% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 3.01
13 85.7% azeri (harappa) + 14.3% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 3.05
14 78.5% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) + 21.5% sindhi (harappa) @ 3.05
15 81.1% turk (behar) + 18.9% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 3.09
16 79.6% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) + 20.4% sindhi (harappa) @ 3.1
17 80.8% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) + 19.2% bhatia (harappa) @ 3.11
18 77.3% azeri (harappa) + 22.7% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 3.12
19 78.7% turk (behar) + 21.3% punjabi-khatri (harappa) @ 3.13
20 78.7% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) + 21.3% pathan (hgdp) @ 3.16

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% armenian_yunusbayev +50% tajik_yunusbayev @ 3.979429

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% georgia-jew_behar +25% nogai_yunusbayev +25% pathan_hgdp @ 2.53400
09-04-2019, 03:29 PM
hussein khan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

That's my fathers result, Azeri mostly with 1 Mazandarani Grandmother

1 Caucasian 39.44
2 Baloch 21.23
3 NE-Euro 10.91
4 SW-Asian 8.6
5 Mediterranean 6.88
6 S-Indian 4.26
7 NE-Asian 3.91
8 Siberian 3.58
9 Beringian 0.52
10 E-African 0.44
11 SE-Asian 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 azeri (harappa) 5.96
2 iranian (harappa) 7.14
3 turkish (harappa) 7.16
4 kurd (harappa) 7.68
5 kurd (yunusbayev) 9.44
6 iranian (behar) 9.49
7 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 9.54
8 turk (behar) 10.12
9 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 10.16
10 kurd (xing) 10.58
11 armenian (harappa) 11.68
12 turkmen (yunusbayev) 11.69
13 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 12.43
14 kumyk (yunusbayev) 12.52
15 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 13.37
16 stalskoe (xing) 13.84
17 iraqi-arab (harappa) 15.38
18 assyrian (harappa) 16.75
19 lezgin (behar) 16.92
20 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 18.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.4% turk (behar) + 20.6% bhatia (harappa) @ 2.33
2 77.2% turk (behar) + 22.8% pathan (hgdp) @ 2.4
3 78.3% turk (behar) + 21.7% sindhi (harappa) @ 2.57
4 72.3% turk (behar) + 27.7% pashtun (harappa) @ 2.57
5 78.7% turk (behar) + 21.3% burusho (hgdp) @ 2.72
6 77.1% turk (behar) + 22.9% kalash (hgdp) @ 2.78
7 79.5% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) + 20.5% bhatia (harappa) @ 2.8
8 77.3% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) + 22.7% pathan (hgdp) @ 2.8
9 77% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) + 23% kalash (hgdp) @ 2.84
10 80.9% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) + 19.1% balochi (hgdp) @ 2.91
11 72.4% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) + 27.6% pashtun (harappa) @ 2.98
12 79.7% turk (behar) + 20.3% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 3.01
13 85.7% azeri (harappa) + 14.3% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 3.05
14 78.5% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) + 21.5% sindhi (harappa) @ 3.05
15 81.1% turk (behar) + 18.9% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 3.09
16 79.6% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) + 20.4% sindhi (harappa) @ 3.1
17 80.8% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) + 19.2% bhatia (harappa) @ 3.11
18 77.3% azeri (harappa) + 22.7% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 3.12
19 78.7% turk (behar) + 21.3% punjabi-khatri (harappa) @ 3.13
20 78.7% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) + 21.3% pathan (hgdp) @ 3.16

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% armenian_yunusbayev +50% tajik_yunusbayev @ 3.979429

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% georgia-jew_behar +25% nogai_yunusbayev +25% pathan_hgdp @ 2.53400

THing is, dude, only your great grandmother is mazandarani.. If you told me you were an azeri with minor mazandarani ancestry without i knew that, i wouldnt be suprised. These are results of iranians labelled as mazandaranis:

Admix Results (sorted): (kit: HY2480849)

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 44.12
2 Baloch 34.89
3 SW-Asian 7.82
4 S-Indian 4.25
5 NE-Euro 3.36
6 Siberian 1.19
7 American 1.17
8 NE-Asian 1.16
9 W-African 0.93
10 Mediterranean 0.76
11 Pygmy 0.23
12 San 0.1
13 Papuan 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 iranian (harappa) 9.71
2 kurd (xing) 10.08
3 kurd (yunusbayev) 10.68
4 iranian (behar) 11.51
5 kurd (harappa) 11.76
6 azeri (harappa) 15.78
7 turkish (harappa) 17.41
8 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 17.76
9 lezgin (behar) 18.2
10 kumyk (yunusbayev) 18.53
11 turkmen (yunusbayev) 18.94
12 armenian (harappa) 19.01
13 assyrian (harappa) 20
14 stalskoe (xing) 20.49
15 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 20.62
16 turk (behar) 20.65
17 chechen (yunusbayev) 21.31
18 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 21.33
19 armenian (yunusbayev) 21.39
20 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 21.41

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.6% georgian (harappa) + 40.4% makrani (hgdp) @ 2.67
2 62.5% georgian (harappa) + 37.5% brahui (hgdp) @ 2.74
3 51.3% georgian (behar) + 48.7% makrani (hgdp) @ 2.94
4 60.6% georgian (harappa) + 39.4% balochi (hgdp) @ 3.2
5 53.3% abhkasian (yunusbayev) + 46.7% makrani (hgdp) @ 3.29
6 54.4% georgian (behar) + 45.6% brahui (hgdp) @ 3.73
7 56.4% abhkasian (yunusbayev) + 43.6% brahui (hgdp) @ 4.09
8 52.4% georgian (behar) + 47.6% balochi (hgdp) @ 4.18
9 54.4% abhkasian (yunusbayev) + 45.6% balochi (hgdp) @ 4.54
10 63.3% armenian (behar) + 36.7% brahui (hgdp) @ 7.01
11 60.3% armenian (behar) + 39.7% makrani (hgdp) @ 7.03
12 61.4% armenian (behar) + 38.6% balochi (hgdp) @ 7.19
13 82.1% kurd (xing) + 17.9% kalash (hgdp) @ 7.73
14 83.1% kurd (yunusbayev) + 16.9% brahui (hgdp) @ 7.92
15 81.3% kurd (yunusbayev) + 18.7% makrani (hgdp) @ 7.92
16 59.1% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) + 40.9% makrani (hgdp) @ 8.03
17 84.5% kurd (xing) + 15.5% balochi (hgdp) @ 8.15
18 85.7% kurd (xing) + 14.3% bhatia (harappa) @ 8.15
19 85.9% kurd (xing) + 14.1% brahui (hgdp) @ 8.24
20 84.3% kurd (xing) + 15.7% makrani (hgdp) @ 8.27

Admix Results (sorted):(kit number: MY9565829)

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 44.66
2 Baloch 31.78
3 SW-Asian 10.79
4 NE-Euro 5.23
5 S-Indian 5.12
6 Mediterranean 0.93
7 Siberian 0.71
8 SE-Asian 0.45
9 Pygmy 0.15
10 E-African 0.14
11 Beringian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 kurd (xing) 7.19
2 iranian (harappa) 7.29
3 kurd (yunusbayev) 7.59
4 iranian (behar) 8.84
5 kurd (harappa) 8.92
6 azeri (harappa) 13.03
7 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 14.26
8 turkish (harappa) 14.78
9 armenian (harappa) 16.05
10 kumyk (yunusbayev) 16.89
11 assyrian (harappa) 17
12 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 17.4
13 lezgin (behar) 17.42
14 turk (behar) 18.04
15 iranian-jew (behar) 18.34
16 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 18.4
17 turkmen (yunusbayev) 18.56
18 iraqi-arab (harappa) 18.57
19 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 18.69
20 armenian (yunusbayev) 18.77

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63% georgian (harappa) + 37% makrani (hgdp) @ 3.57
2 63.9% georgian (harappa) + 36.1% balochi (hgdp) @ 3.64
3 65.7% georgian (harappa) + 34.3% brahui (hgdp) @ 3.75
4 87% kurd (xing) + 13% kalash (hgdp) @ 5.45
5 65.4% armenian (behar) + 34.6% balochi (hgdp) @ 5.67
6 67.3% armenian (behar) + 32.7% brahui (hgdp) @ 5.68
7 64.6% armenian (behar) + 35.4% makrani (hgdp) @ 5.72
8 89.6% kurd (xing) + 10.4% bhatia (harappa) @ 5.76
9 88.4% kurd (xing) + 11.6% pathan (hgdp) @ 5.76
10 90.2% kurd (xing) + 9.8% kashmiri-pandit (reich) @ 5.77
11 87.6% kurd (yunusbayev) + 12.4% balochi (hgdp) @ 5.78
12 89.1% kurd (xing) + 10.9% sindhi (harappa) @ 5.78
13 89.4% kurd (xing) + 10.6% punjabi-khatri (harappa) @ 5.79
14 53.8% georgian (behar) + 46.2% makrani (hgdp) @ 5.8
15 90.8% kurd (xing) + 9.2% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) @ 5.81
16 90.7% kurd (xing) + 9.3% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 5.84
17 91% kurd (xing) + 9% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) @ 5.85
18 89.7% kurd (xing) + 10.3% kashmiri (harappa) @ 5.86
19 91.1% kurd (xing) + 8.9% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) @ 5.87
20 88.7% kurd (yunusbayev) + 11.3% brahui (hgdp) @ 5.87

You can look for the others here(i couldnt find the kit of the other mazandaranis though, only these two):

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...d8&oe=5E099A38

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...11&oe=5E09DE96

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...85&oe=5E007A00

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...58&oe=5DFD6C68

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...dc&oe=5E14D260

I know it's a bird hard to tell what youre seeing, since the pics seems a bit messy. I would had liked to post the results here, but something went wrng with my openofficee, the program i put the results in.
Anyway, as the pics are suppossed to show you is that all the 9 mazandaranis dont get less than 30% baloch, which is a noticeable difference between iranians like lurs and the mazandaranis and specially many azeris.
09-04-2019, 03:38 PM
hussein khan

Some iranian/kurd without any SI:

Kit YX1351097

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 38.92
2 Baloch 25.33
3 SW-Asian 14.01
4 Mediterranean 7.62
5 NE-Euro 7.07
6 Siberian 1.63
7 Beringian 1.13
8 SE-Asian 0.94
9 Papuan 0.91
10 W-African 0.89
11 San 0.76
12 NE-Asian 0.71
13 American 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 kurd (harappa) 4.46
2 iranian (harappa) 5.68
3 iranian (behar) 5.77
4 kurd (xing) 6.49
5 kurd (yunusbayev) 6.83
6 turkish (harappa) 8.05
7 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 9.41
8 azeri (harappa) 9.82
9 armenian (harappa) 10.49
10 iraqi-arab (harappa) 11.4
11 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 12.1
12 turk (behar) 12.54
13 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 12.76
14 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 13.81
15 assyrian (harappa) 14.32
16 iranian-jew (behar) 15.01
17 turkmen (yunusbayev) 15.21
18 palestinian (harappa) 15.41
19 iraq-jew (behar) 15.99
20 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 16.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.2% kurd (xing) + 9.8% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 3.09
2 92% kurd (xing) + 8% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 3.23
3 95.2% kurd (harappa) + 4.8% orcadian (hgdp) @ 3.25
4 95.1% kurd (harappa) + 4.9% british (1000genomes) @ 3.26
5 95% kurd (harappa) + 5% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 3.27
6 95% kurd (harappa) + 5% n-european (xing) @ 3.29
7 94.6% kurd (harappa) + 5.4% french (hgdp) @ 3.31
8 94.5% kurd (harappa) + 5.5% hungarian (behar) @ 3.34
9 89.6% kurd (xing) + 10.4% puerto-rican (1000genomes) @ 3.36
10 94.6% kurd (harappa) + 5.4% slovenian (xing) @ 3.37
11 96% kurd (harappa) + 4% lithuanian (behar) @ 3.4
12 95.2% kurd (harappa) + 4.8% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 3.4
13 95.6% kurd (harappa) + 4.4% russian (hgdp) @ 3.42
14 95.6% kurd (harappa) + 4.4% belorussian (behar) @ 3.43
15 95.4% kurd (harappa) + 4.6% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 3.43
16 94.9% kurd (harappa) + 5.1% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 3.47
17 95.1% kurd (harappa) + 4.9% chuvash (behar) @ 3.47
18 93.1% kurd (harappa) + 6.9% romanian-a (behar) @ 3.48
19 95.7% kurd (harappa) + 4.3% russian (behar) @ 3.49
20 96.6% kurd (harappa) + 3.4% finnish (1000genomes) @ 3.5
09-04-2019, 03:45 PM
Leto

Mazandarani actress Parinaz Izadyar. Iran Neo is strong in her :)
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/P...KuAC0G8gyl.jpg
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/P...dHSTmsAs2l.jpg
09-04-2019, 03:49 PM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Mazandarani actress Parinaz Izadyar. Iran Neo is strong in her :)
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/P...KuAC0G8gyl.jpg
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/P...dHSTmsAs2l.jpg

Another one:

https://www.albawaba.com/sites/defau...?itok=DtxlXL9l
09-04-2019, 03:53 PM
Kyp

They were protected from outside influence by their beautiful environment:

https://ariamedtour.com/wp-content/u...n-province.jpg
https://photos.wikimapia.org/p/00/00/34/73/71_big.jpg
https://image.shutterstock.com/z/sto...-163671728.jpg
https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca88...ZPaO9AWD09wJRk
09-04-2019, 11:47 PM
Babak

Mazandaranis are the least mixed out of all Iranians i believe.
09-05-2019, 02:32 PM
hussein khan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babak

Mazandaranis are the least mixed out of all Iranians i believe.

I dont think having more chg makes you more pure.

Also, they have very little, but slightly more aasi than many other west iranians...
09-05-2019, 02:33 PM
hussein khan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babak

Mazandaranis are the least mixed out of all Iranians i believe.

I dont think having more chg makes you more pure.

Also, they have very little, but slightly more aasi than many other west iranians...
09-06-2019, 01:29 AM
Babak

Quote:

Originally Posted by hussein khan

I dont think having more chg makes you more pure.

Also, they have very little, but slightly more aasi than many other west iranians...

They have the least steppe too
09-06-2019, 05:12 AM
SharpFork

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babak

They have the least steppe too

How big is the Steppe impact in Iran and in this region?
09-07-2019, 03:51 PM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by SharpFork

How big is the Steppe impact in Iran and in this region?

15-25%
In Mazandaran probably around 13%
09-07-2019, 03:54 PM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Another one:

https://www.albawaba.com/sites/defau...?itok=DtxlXL9l

Edit: he's from Gilan not Mazandaran

Does anybody got some Gilan results?
Would like to see Gilaki results, if they're closer to Northwest or to Mazandaran
09-07-2019, 07:56 PM
Babak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

15-25%
In Mazandaran probably around 13%

Less. Many mazandaranis even score 0-5%
09-07-2019, 08:09 PM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babak

Less. Many mazandaranis even score 0-5%

oh ok.

Ydna are 50% J2 and 25%R1a
09-07-2019, 08:50 PM
SharpFork

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babak

Less. Many mazandaranis even score 0-5%

0-5% Steppe? You mean in the last 3 millennia Mazandaranis weren't influencend at all by Indo-Europeans, Eastern Iranians, Turks etc.? This seems unlikely at best.
09-07-2019, 08:55 PM
Babak

Quote:

Originally Posted by SharpFork

0-5% Steppe? You mean in the last 3 millennia Mazandaranis weren't influencend at all by Indo-Europeans, Eastern Iranians, Turks etc.? This seems unlikely at best.

Yea. In fact, they are the most isolated people in Iran. They resisted influence from every invader, including arabs. They do have slightly elevated South asian that makes them closer to tajiks but its probably native.

Mazandaranis=Archaic Iranics
09-07-2019, 09:37 PM
SharpFork

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babak

Yea. In fact, they are the most isolated people in Iran. They resisted influence from every invader, including arabs. They do have slightly elevated South asian that makes them closer to tajiks but its probably native.

Mazandaranis=Archaic Iranics

They didn't resist anything, they were conquered and/or ruled by Greeks, Parthians, Sassanids, Arabs, Turks etc.
They followed Iranian polytheism and now Islam, obviously they were influenced culturally at the very least.
09-07-2019, 10:35 PM
Babak

Quote:

Originally Posted by SharpFork

They didn't resist anything, they were conquered and/or ruled by Greeks, Parthians, Sassanids, Arabs, Turks etc.
They followed Iranian polytheism and now Islam, obviously they were influenced culturally at the very least.

No, they heavily resisted Arab influence.

Anyway, the point im trying to make is they barely score any steppe compared to all other Iranic groups despite history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazandaran_Province
09-08-2019, 11:36 AM
hussein khan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babak

Yea. In fact, they are the most isolated people in Iran. They resisted influence from every invader, including arabs. They do have slightly elevated South asian that makes them closer to tajiks but its probably native.

Mazandaranis=Archaic Iranics

but iranics are supposed to be steppe-derived by huge margin.

Wouldnt it be more correct to call them "pre-iranic iranians"?
09-08-2019, 11:37 AM
hussein khan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babak

Yea. In fact, they are the most isolated people in Iran. They resisted influence from every invader, including arabs. They do have slightly elevated South asian that makes them closer to tajiks but its probably native.

Mazandaranis=Archaic Iranics

but iranics are supposed to be steppe-derived by huge margin.

Wouldnt it be more correct to call them "pre-iranic iranians"?
09-08-2019, 01:25 PM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by hussein khan

but iranics are supposed to be steppe-derived by huge margin.

Wouldnt it be more correct to call them "pre-iranic iranians"?

agree. But they still have 25% R1a. I think steppe ancestry is bigger than 5%.

They can be modelled as Chalcolithic Iranian (around 75%) plus Early Iranic pastoralist (22%) and around 1 %Mongolian.
That means they're about 13% Steppe.

Edit: if you use Turkmenistan_IA as proxy for early Iranics.
09-08-2019, 07:36 PM
Babak

Quote:

Originally Posted by hussein khan

but iranics are supposed to be steppe-derived by huge margin.

Wouldnt it be more correct to call them "pre-iranic iranians"?

Thats why i said they are Archaic iranians.

Huge margin? Lol 15-25% is nothing for west iranics.

http://oi67.tinypic.com/2a6723q.jpg
09-09-2019, 08:42 AM
hussein khan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babak

Thats why i said they are Archaic iranians.

Huge margin? Lol 15-25% is nothing for west iranics.

http://oi67.tinypic.com/2a6723q.jpg

Well, i thought you meant archaic iranics

But if iran chac is supposed to be yagnobi/sogdian/turkmen IA alike, then im a bit suprised how close you are to them compared to afghans. I thought pashtuns and iranians would be equally as close to turkmen IA.
09-09-2019, 08:55 AM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by hussein khan

Well, i thought you meant archaic iranics

But if iran chac is supposed to be yagnobi/sogdian/turkmen IA alike, then im a bit suprised how close you are to them compared to afghans. I thought pashtuns and iranians would be equally as close to turkmen IA.

Iran_Chl is not like yagnobi or sogdian. BMAC was more like Iran_Neolithic. Yagnobi are between Steppe and Iran_Neo. Just like early Iranic pastoralists.
Chalcolithic Iran is between Iran_Neo and Anatolia_Neo.
09-09-2019, 02:41 PM
hussein khan

Some mazandarani harrapaworld admix results(couldnt find the kits though):

' # Population Percent
1 Baloch 31,98
2 Caucasian 41,75
3 S-Indian 2,83
4 NE-Euro 4,71
5 SW-Asian 11,33
6 Mediterranean 3,63
7 American 0,06
9 Beringian 0,2
10 Papuan 0,71
11 San 0,85
12 SE-Asian 1,95

' # Population Percent
1 Baloch 31,47
2 Caucasian 46,12
3 S-Indian 7,56
4 NE-Euron 1,11
5 SW-Asian 8,26
6 Mediterranean 3,05
8 Siberian 0,6
9 Beringian 0,11
10 Papuan 1,08
11 W-African 0,22
12 San 0,36

' # Population Percent
1 Baloch 33,29
2 Caucasian 41,21
3 S-Indian 5,66
4 NE-Euro 2,97
5 SW-Asian 10,38
6 Mediterranean 2,83
7 American 0,8
8 Siberian 0,67
9 Beringian 0,78
11 W-African 0,35
12 SE-Asian 1,06

' # Population Percent (kit number: HY2480849 )
1 Baloch 34,96
2 Caucasian 44,13
3 S-Indian 4,04
4 NE-Euro 3,36
5 SW-Asian 7,82
6 Mediterranean 0,76
7 American 1,09
8 Siberian 0,87
9 Beringian
10 Papuan 0,14
11 W-African 0,83
12 NE-Asian 1,66
13 San 0,17

' # Population Percent
1 Baloch 31,77
2 Caucasian 44,64
3 S-Indian 4.95
4 NE-Euro 5,24
5 SW-Asian 10,79
6 Mediterranean 0,93
7 American
8 Siberian 0,38
9 Beringian 0,08
10 Pygmy 0,1
11 E-African 0,18
12 SE-Asian 0,95

' # Population Percent
1 Baloch 30,65
2 Caucasian 40,27
3 S-Indian 5,98
4 NE-Euro 5,67
5 SW-Asian 12,24
6 Mediterranean 3,56
7 American
8 Siberian
9 Beringian 0,72
10 Papuan 0,32
11 E-African 0,59
12 NE-Asian

' # Population Percent
1 Baloch 31,92
2 Caucasian 45,71
3 S-Indian 3,97
4 NE-Euro 4,53
5 SW-Asian 9,92
6 Mediterranean 0,67
7 Pygmy 0,94
8 Siberian 0,81
9 Beringian 1,41
10 Papuan 0,08
11 E-African
12 NE-Asian

' # Population Percent
1 Baloch 33,92
2 Caucasian 42,96
3 S-Indian 6,7
4 NE-Euro 2,51
5 SW-Asian 11,32
6 Pygmy 0,42
7 American 0,14
8 Siberian 0,17
9 Beringian 0,64
10 Papuan 0,15
11 E-African 0,39
12 SE-Asian 0,68

' # Population Percent
1 Baloch 33,06
2 Caucasian 40,32
3 S-Indian 5,11
4 NE-Euro 8,27
5 SW-Asian 10,81
6 Mediterranean 0,69
7 American 0,21
11 E-African 0,06
12 NE-Asian 1,47

Kind of interesting there are PAK balochs with as much SI as some of these mazandaranis, with some even having a bit less SI:

PAK baloch:

Admix Results (sorted)(kit):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 60.88
2 Caucasian 13.73
3 SW-Asian 12.37
4 S-Indian 6.16
5 Siberian 1.98
6 Mediterranean 1.83
7 W-African 1.62
8 Papuan 0.52
9 E-African 0.43
10 SE-Asian 0.34
11 San 0.13

Mazandaranis:

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 31,47
2 Caucasian 46,12
3 S-Indian 7,56
4 NE-Euron 1,11
5 SW-Asian 8,26
6 Mediterranean 3,05
8 Siberian 0,6
9 Beringian 0,11
10 Papuan 1,08
11 W-African 0,22
12 San 0,36

' # Population Percent
1 Baloch 33,29
2 Caucasian 41,21
3 S-Indian 5,66
4 NE-Euro 2,97
5 SW-Asian 10,38
6 Mediterranean 2,83
7 American 0,8
8 Siberian 0,67
9 Beringian 0,78
11 W-African 0,35
12 SE-Asian 1,06

' # Population Percent
1 Baloch 30,65
2 Caucasian 40,27
3 S-Indian 5,98
4 NE-Euro 5,67
5 SW-Asian 12,24
6 Mediterranean 3,56
7 American
8 Siberian
9 Beringian 0,72
10 Papuan 0,32
11 E-African 0,59
12 NE-Asian

' # Population Percent
1 Baloch 33,92
2 Caucasian 42,96
3 S-Indian 6,7
4 NE-Euro 2,51
5 SW-Asian 11,32
6 Pygmy 0,42
7 American 0,14
8 Siberian 0,17
9 Beringian 0,64
10 Papuan 0,15
11 E-African 0,39
12 SE-Asian 0,68

Also, some iranian sample:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 42.31
2 Baloch 22.7
3 SW-Asian 13.49
4 NE-Euro 9.04
5 Mediterranean 8.48
6 S-Indian 2.58
7 Papuan 0.81
8 Beringian 0.46
9 NE-Asian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 kurd (harappa) 5.56
2 turkish (harappa) 5.85
3 kurd (yunusbayev) 6.21
4 iranian (harappa) 7.08
5 azeri (harappa) 7.2
6 kurd (xing) 7.43
7 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 7.62
8 armenian (harappa) 7.92
9 iranian (behar) 8.13
10 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 9.23
11 turk (behar) 9.45
12 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 9.67
13 iraqi-arab (harappa) 11.79
14 assyrian (harappa) 12.28
15 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 12.92
16 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 13.64
17 georgia-jew (behar) 13.72
18 iranian-jew (behar) 13.76
19 kumyk (yunusbayev) 14.49
20 iraq-jew (behar) 14.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.3% kurd (yunusbayev) + 13.7% romanian-a (behar) @ 2.47
2 86% kurd (yunusbayev) + 14% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 2.47
3 85.2% kurd (yunusbayev) + 14.8% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 2.48
4 87.9% kurd (yunusbayev) + 12.1% italian (hgdp) @ 2.58
5 76.7% kurd (xing) + 23.3% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 2.79
6 82.7% kurd (xing) + 17.3% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 2.85
7 90.4% kurd (yunusbayev) + 9.6% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 2.89
8 90.5% kurd (yunusbayev) + 9.5% french (hgdp) @ 2.89
9 90.1% kurd (yunusbayev) + 9.9% hungarian (behar) @ 2.98
10 90.3% kurd (yunusbayev) + 9.7% slovenian (xing) @ 3
11 84.1% kurd (xing) + 15.9% romanian-a (behar) @ 3.04
12 91.4% kurd (yunusbayev) + 8.6% n-european (xing) @ 3.09
13 88.4% kurd (harappa) + 11.6% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 3.15
14 91.5% kurd (yunusbayev) + 8.5% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 3.15
15 91.7% kurd (yunusbayev) + 8.3% british (1000genomes) @ 3.21
16 86% kurd (xing) + 14% italian (hgdp) @ 3.23
17 84.5% kurd (harappa) + 15.5% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 3.28
18 81.2% kurd (yunusbayev) + 18.8% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 3.3
19 92.1% kurd (yunusbayev) + 7.9% orcadian (hgdp) @ 3.32
20 83% kurd (yunusbayev) + 17% morocco-jew (behar) @ 3.37

Not sure if kurdish, iranian or turkish. But if the latters, he sure is one of the most steppe-shifted ones....

Also:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 33.51
2 Caucasian 28.96
3 SW-Asian 10.55
4 S-Indian 10.2
5 NE-Euro 5.98
6 Mediterranean 3.69
7 W-African 2.69
8 Siberian 1.54
9 NE-Asian 1.32
10 E-African 1.08
11 Beringian 0.39
12 San 0.06
13 Papuan 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 iranian (behar) 12.85
2 turkmen (yunusbayev) 13.21
3 iranian (harappa) 13.74
4 pashtun (harappa) 14.56
5 kurd (harappa) 15.34
6 tajik (yunusbayev) 16.2
7 kurd (xing) 17.4
8 kurd (yunusbayev) 18.23
9 kalash (hgdp) 20.43
10 iraqi-arab (harappa) 20.58
11 turkish (harappa) 20.77
12 pathan (hgdp) 20.89
13 azeri (harappa) 21.06
14 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 22.57
15 sindhi (harappa) 22.79
16 makrani (hgdp) 22.89
17 stalskoe (xing) 23.08
18 armenian (harappa) 23.56
19 balochi (hgdp) 23.69
20 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 24.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.4% iranian (behar) + 33.6% bhatia (harappa) @ 2.65
2 68.8% iranian (behar) + 31.2% sindhi (hgdp) @ 2.88
3 62.3% iranian (behar) + 37.7% pathan (hgdp) @ 2.9
4 65.8% iranian (behar) + 34.2% burusho (hgdp) @ 3.13
5 64.5% iranian (behar) + 35.5% sindhi (harappa) @ 3.22
6 69.5% iranian (behar) + 30.5% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 3.34
7 61.9% iranian (behar) + 38.1% kalash (hgdp) @ 3.45
8 67.8% iranian (behar) + 32.2% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 3.46
9 65% kurd (harappa) + 35% sindhi (hgdp) @ 3.79
10 71.6% iranian (behar) + 28.4% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) @ 3.85
11 70.9% iranian (behar) + 29.1% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) @ 3.92
12 70.9% iranian (behar) + 29.1% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) @ 3.93
13 62.5% kurd (harappa) + 37.5% bhatia (harappa) @ 4
14 70.8% iranian (behar) + 29.2% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) @ 4.1
15 66.1% iranian (behar) + 33.9% punjabi-khatri (harappa) @ 4.11
16 53.4% iranian (behar) + 46.6% pashtun (harappa) @ 4.15
17 69.3% iranian (behar) + 30.7% kashmiri-pandit (reich) @ 4.17
18 72.7% iranian (behar) + 27.3% nepalese-a (xing) @ 4.17
19 69.6% iranian (behar) + 30.4% punjabi (harappa) @ 4.21
20 67.9% iranian (behar) + 32.1% punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) @ 4.29

Not sure if bandari, kerman persian or baloch(not likely a baloch though...).

Kind of interesting how the south easterners can be that aasi-shifted...
09-09-2019, 02:47 PM
hussein khan

Another west asian being 7% NE-Euro:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 42.4
2 Baloch 22.46
3 SW-Asian 11.89
4 Mediterranean 9.43
5 NE-Euro 7.18
6 NE-Asian 2.7
7 S-Indian 2.47
8 Siberian 0.61
9 San 0.57
10 Papuan 0.17
11 Beringian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 turkish (harappa) 4.4
2 kurd (harappa) 5.61
3 kurd (yunusbayev) 6.4
4 azeri (harappa) 6.46
5 iranian (harappa) 6.74
6 armenian (harappa) 7.22
7 kurd (xing) 7.88
8 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 8.12
9 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 8.26
10 turk (behar) 8.41
11 iranian (behar) 8.57
12 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 8.59
13 assyrian (harappa) 12.14
14 iraqi-arab (harappa) 12.19
15 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 13.28
16 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 13.46
17 georgia-jew (behar) 13.88
18 iranian-jew (behar) 13.96
19 armenian (yunusbayev) 14.32
20 kumyk (yunusbayev) 14.39

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.2% kurd (harappa) + 37.8% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 2.6
2 50.1% iranian (behar) + 49.9% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 2.71
3 81% kurd (yunusbayev) + 19% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 2.78
4 79.7% kurd (yunusbayev) + 20.3% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 2.8
5 85.1% kurd (yunusbayev) + 14.9% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 2.8
6 71.2% kurd (yunusbayev) + 28.8% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 2.86
7 75% iranian (harappa) + 25% cypriot (behar) @ 2.89
8 79.6% armenian (harappa) + 20.4% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.91
9 87.8% kurd (yunusbayev) + 12.2% italian (hgdp) @ 2.96
10 61.3% kurd (harappa) + 38.7% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 2.97
11 51.6% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) + 48.4% iranian (behar) @ 3.1
12 62.7% kurd (harappa) + 37.3% turk (behar) @ 3.15
13 90.3% kurd (yunusbayev) + 9.7% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 3.16
14 66.2% turkish (harappa) + 33.8% iranian (harappa) @ 3.19
15 60.5% turkish (harappa) + 39.5% kurd (harappa) @ 3.21
16 91% kurd (yunusbayev) + 9% sardinian (hgdp) @ 3.24
17 50.6% turk (behar) + 49.4% iranian (behar) @ 3.26
18 73% turkish (harappa) + 27% iranian (behar) @ 3.28
19 93.7% turkish (harappa) + 6.3% brahui (hgdp) @ 3.28
20 93.2% turkish (harappa) + 6.8% makrani (hgdp) @ 3.31
09-09-2019, 02:47 PM
Babak

Quote:

Originally Posted by hussein khan

Some mazandarani harrapaworld admix results(couldnt find the kits though):

' # Population Percent
1 Baloch 31,98
2 Caucasian 41,75
3 S-Indian 2,83
4 NE-Euro 4,71
5 SW-Asian 11,33
6 Mediterranean 3,63
7 American 0,06
9 Beringian 0,2
10 Papuan 0,71
11 San 0,85
12 SE-Asian 1,95

' # Population Percent
1 Baloch 31,47
2 Caucasian 46,12
3 S-Indian 7,56
4 NE-Euron 1,11
5 SW-Asian 8,26
6 Mediterranean 3,05
8 Siberian 0,6
9 Beringian 0,11
10 Papuan 1,08
11 W-African 0,22
12 San 0,36

' # Population Percent
1 Baloch 33,29
2 Caucasian 41,21
3 S-Indian 5,66
4 NE-Euro 2,97
5 SW-Asian 10,38
6 Mediterranean 2,83
7 American 0,8
8 Siberian 0,67
9 Beringian 0,78
11 W-African 0,35
12 SE-Asian 1,06

' # Population Percent (kit number: HY2480849 )
1 Baloch 34,96
2 Caucasian 44,13
3 S-Indian 4,04
4 NE-Euro 3,36
5 SW-Asian 7,82
6 Mediterranean 0,76
7 American 1,09
8 Siberian 0,87
9 Beringian
10 Papuan 0,14
11 W-African 0,83
12 NE-Asian 1,66
13 San 0,17

' # Population Percent
1 Baloch 31,77
2 Caucasian 44,64
3 S-Indian 4.95
4 NE-Euro 5,24
5 SW-Asian 10,79
6 Mediterranean 0,93
7 American
8 Siberian 0,38
9 Beringian 0,08
10 Pygmy 0,1
11 E-African 0,18
12 SE-Asian 0,95

' # Population Percent
1 Baloch 30,65
2 Caucasian 40,27
3 S-Indian 5,98
4 NE-Euro 5,67
5 SW-Asian 12,24
6 Mediterranean 3,56
7 American
8 Siberian
9 Beringian 0,72
10 Papuan 0,32
11 E-African 0,59
12 NE-Asian

' # Population Percent
1 Baloch 31,92
2 Caucasian 45,71
3 S-Indian 3,97
4 NE-Euro 4,53
5 SW-Asian 9,92
6 Mediterranean 0,67
7 Pygmy 0,94
8 Siberian 0,81
9 Beringian 1,41
10 Papuan 0,08
11 E-African
12 NE-Asian

' # Population Percent
1 Baloch 33,92
2 Caucasian 42,96
3 S-Indian 6,7
4 NE-Euro 2,51
5 SW-Asian 11,32
6 Pygmy 0,42
7 American 0,14
8 Siberian 0,17
9 Beringian 0,64
10 Papuan 0,15
11 E-African 0,39
12 SE-Asian 0,68

' # Population Percent
1 Baloch 33,06
2 Caucasian 40,32
3 S-Indian 5,11
4 NE-Euro 8,27
5 SW-Asian 10,81
6 Mediterranean 0,69
7 American 0,21
11 E-African 0,06
12 NE-Asian 1,47

Kind of interesting there are PAK balochs with as much SI as some of these mazandaranis, with some even having a bit less SI:

PAK baloch:

Admix Results (sorted)(kit):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 60.88
2 Caucasian 13.73
3 SW-Asian 12.37
4 S-Indian 6.16
5 Siberian 1.98
6 Mediterranean 1.83
7 W-African 1.62
8 Papuan 0.52
9 E-African 0.43
10 SE-Asian 0.34
11 San 0.13

Mazandaranis:

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 31,47
2 Caucasian 46,12
3 S-Indian 7,56
4 NE-Euron 1,11
5 SW-Asian 8,26
6 Mediterranean 3,05
8 Siberian 0,6
9 Beringian 0,11
10 Papuan 1,08
11 W-African 0,22
12 San 0,36

' # Population Percent
1 Baloch 33,29
2 Caucasian 41,21
3 S-Indian 5,66
4 NE-Euro 2,97
5 SW-Asian 10,38
6 Mediterranean 2,83
7 American 0,8
8 Siberian 0,67
9 Beringian 0,78
11 W-African 0,35
12 SE-Asian 1,06

' # Population Percent
1 Baloch 30,65
2 Caucasian 40,27
3 S-Indian 5,98
4 NE-Euro 5,67
5 SW-Asian 12,24
6 Mediterranean 3,56
7 American
8 Siberian
9 Beringian 0,72
10 Papuan 0,32
11 E-African 0,59
12 NE-Asian

' # Population Percent
1 Baloch 33,92
2 Caucasian 42,96
3 S-Indian 6,7
4 NE-Euro 2,51
5 SW-Asian 11,32
6 Pygmy 0,42
7 American 0,14
8 Siberian 0,17
9 Beringian 0,64
10 Papuan 0,15
11 E-African 0,39
12 SE-Asian 0,68

Also, some iranian sample:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 42.31
2 Baloch 22.7
3 SW-Asian 13.49
4 NE-Euro 9.04
5 Mediterranean 8.48
6 S-Indian 2.58
7 Papuan 0.81
8 Beringian 0.46
9 NE-Asian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 kurd (harappa) 5.56
2 turkish (harappa) 5.85
3 kurd (yunusbayev) 6.21
4 iranian (harappa) 7.08
5 azeri (harappa) 7.2
6 kurd (xing) 7.43
7 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 7.62
8 armenian (harappa) 7.92
9 iranian (behar) 8.13
10 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 9.23
11 turk (behar) 9.45
12 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 9.67
13 iraqi-arab (harappa) 11.79
14 assyrian (harappa) 12.28
15 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 12.92
16 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 13.64
17 georgia-jew (behar) 13.72
18 iranian-jew (behar) 13.76
19 kumyk (yunusbayev) 14.49
20 iraq-jew (behar) 14.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.3% kurd (yunusbayev) + 13.7% romanian-a (behar) @ 2.47
2 86% kurd (yunusbayev) + 14% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 2.47
3 85.2% kurd (yunusbayev) + 14.8% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 2.48
4 87.9% kurd (yunusbayev) + 12.1% italian (hgdp) @ 2.58
5 76.7% kurd (xing) + 23.3% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 2.79
6 82.7% kurd (xing) + 17.3% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 2.85
7 90.4% kurd (yunusbayev) + 9.6% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 2.89
8 90.5% kurd (yunusbayev) + 9.5% french (hgdp) @ 2.89
9 90.1% kurd (yunusbayev) + 9.9% hungarian (behar) @ 2.98
10 90.3% kurd (yunusbayev) + 9.7% slovenian (xing) @ 3
11 84.1% kurd (xing) + 15.9% romanian-a (behar) @ 3.04
12 91.4% kurd (yunusbayev) + 8.6% n-european (xing) @ 3.09
13 88.4% kurd (harappa) + 11.6% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 3.15
14 91.5% kurd (yunusbayev) + 8.5% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 3.15
15 91.7% kurd (yunusbayev) + 8.3% british (1000genomes) @ 3.21
16 86% kurd (xing) + 14% italian (hgdp) @ 3.23
17 84.5% kurd (harappa) + 15.5% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 3.28
18 81.2% kurd (yunusbayev) + 18.8% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 3.3
19 92.1% kurd (yunusbayev) + 7.9% orcadian (hgdp) @ 3.32
20 83% kurd (yunusbayev) + 17% morocco-jew (behar) @ 3.37

Not sure if kurdish, iranian or turkish. But if the latters, he sure is one of the most steppe-shifted ones....

Good stuff. Guess they are pretty steppe-shifted.

Here's another result from Gorgan:

Punt K12

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus_HG 44.17
2 Anatolian_NF 19.31
3 South_Asian 13.84
4 Near_East 13.11
5 European_HG 4.94
6 East_Asian 1.78
7 Siberian 1.41
8 South_African_HG 0.66
9 Sub-Saharan 0.65
10 Oceanian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranian 7.19
2 Kurdish 11.7
3 Turkish 13.74
4 Georgian_Jew 15.97
5 Kumyk 16.29
6 Afghan_Pashtun 16.37
7 Laz 16.72
8 Turkish_Trabzon 17
9 Turkish_Kayseri 17.1
10 Chechen 17.15
11 Assyrian 17.57
12 Iranian_Jew 17.91
13 Armenian 18.04
14 North_Ossetian 18.29
15 Balkar 19.62
16 Adygei 20.04
17 Balochi 20.36
18 Abkhasian 20.66
19 Makrani 21.05
20 Pakistan_Pashtun 21.3

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.3% Georgian_Jew + 35.7% Burusho @ 1.98
2 80.5% Iranian + 19.5% Burusho @ 2
3 63.1% Georgian_Jew + 36.9% Pathan @ 2.45
4 82% Iranian + 18% Kashmir @ 2.57
5 80.2% Iranian + 19.8% Pathan @ 2.7
6 81.4% Iranian + 18.6% Sindhi @ 2.72
7 87.2% Iranian + 12.8% Bengali_Muslim @ 2.74
8 56.1% Makrani + 43.9% Cypriot @ 2.81
9 82.2% Iranian + 17.8% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim @ 2.91
10 80.4% Iranian + 19.6% Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh @ 2.99
11 76.4% Iranian + 23.6% Pakistan_Pashtun @ 3.06
12 66.1% Georgian_Jew + 33.9% Kashmir @ 3.08
13 84.3% Iranian + 15.7% UP_Muslim @ 3.16
14 88.2% Iranian + 11.8% Keralam @ 3.19
15 81.9% Iranian + 18.1% Haryana_Jatt @ 3.21
16 86.9% Iranian + 13.1% Gujarati @ 3.22
17 57.4% Georgian_Jew + 42.6% Pakistan_Pashtun @ 3.25
18 63.1% Georgian_Jew + 36.9% Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh @ 3.28
19 57.1% Afghan_Pashtun + 42.9% Iraqi_Jew @ 3.28
20 71.6% Iranian + 28.4% Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.33
09-09-2019, 02:49 PM
hussein khan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babak

Good stuff. Guess they are pretty steppe-shifted.

Here's another result from Gorgan:

Punt K12

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus_HG 44.17
2 Anatolian_NF 19.31
3 South_Asian 13.84
4 Near_East 13.11
5 European_HG 4.94
6 East_Asian 1.78
7 Siberian 1.41
8 South_African_HG 0.66
9 Sub-Saharan 0.65
10 Oceanian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranian 7.19
2 Kurdish 11.7
3 Turkish 13.74
4 Georgian_Jew 15.97
5 Kumyk 16.29
6 Afghan_Pashtun 16.37
7 Laz 16.72
8 Turkish_Trabzon 17
9 Turkish_Kayseri 17.1
10 Chechen 17.15
11 Assyrian 17.57
12 Iranian_Jew 17.91
13 Armenian 18.04
14 North_Ossetian 18.29
15 Balkar 19.62
16 Adygei 20.04
17 Balochi 20.36
18 Abkhasian 20.66
19 Makrani 21.05
20 Pakistan_Pashtun 21.3

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.3% Georgian_Jew + 35.7% Burusho @ 1.98
2 80.5% Iranian + 19.5% Burusho @ 2
3 63.1% Georgian_Jew + 36.9% Pathan @ 2.45
4 82% Iranian + 18% Kashmir @ 2.57
5 80.2% Iranian + 19.8% Pathan @ 2.7
6 81.4% Iranian + 18.6% Sindhi @ 2.72
7 87.2% Iranian + 12.8% Bengali_Muslim @ 2.74
8 56.1% Makrani + 43.9% Cypriot @ 2.81
9 82.2% Iranian + 17.8% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim @ 2.91
10 80.4% Iranian + 19.6% Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh @ 2.99
11 76.4% Iranian + 23.6% Pakistan_Pashtun @ 3.06
12 66.1% Georgian_Jew + 33.9% Kashmir @ 3.08
13 84.3% Iranian + 15.7% UP_Muslim @ 3.16
14 88.2% Iranian + 11.8% Keralam @ 3.19
15 81.9% Iranian + 18.1% Haryana_Jatt @ 3.21
16 86.9% Iranian + 13.1% Gujarati @ 3.22
17 57.4% Georgian_Jew + 42.6% Pakistan_Pashtun @ 3.25
18 63.1% Georgian_Jew + 36.9% Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh @ 3.28
19 57.1% Afghan_Pashtun + 42.9% Iraqi_Jew @ 3.28
20 71.6% Iranian + 28.4% Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.33

COuld you post his harrappaworld results?

Seems pretty CHG-shifted. Even gets modelled as 1/3 burusho and 2/3 georgian jew...
09-09-2019, 02:49 PM
hussein khan

But thing is though....im not entirely sure what they are though....the "steppe-shifted" west asians....they could been turks, kurds or iranians...
09-09-2019, 02:53 PM
Babak

Quote:

Originally Posted by hussein khan

But thing is though....im not entirely sure what they are though....the "steppe-shifted" west asians....they could been turks, kurds or iranians...

I only found his K12, couldn't find his harappa on anthrogenica This guy is probably native though.
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6472-Khorasan
09-09-2019, 02:55 PM
hussein khan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babak

I only found his K12, couldn't find his harappa on anthrogenica This guy is probably native though.
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6472-Khorasan

aaaw....well, i will compare his k12 puntdal with the other mazandarani:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus_HG 50.18
2 Anatolian_NF 16.2
3 South_Asian 14.05
4 Near_East 9.86
5 European_HG 5.93
6 Amerindian 1.4
7 Sub-Saharan 0.98
8 South_African_HG 0.86
9 East_Asian 0.44
10 Oceanian 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranian 11.36
2 Afghan_Pashtun 13.58
3 Kurdish 15.33
4 Balochi 15.42
5 Chechen 15.92
6 Makrani 16.07
7 North_Ossetian 16.27
8 Kumyk 16.59
9 Abkhasian 17.84
10 Brahui 17.97
11 Lezgin 18.35
12 Turkish 18.62
13 Laz 18.99
14 Pakistan_Pashtun 19.12
15 Adygei 19.18
16 Turkish_Trabzon 19.32
17 Balkar 19.65
18 Georgian_Jew 19.67
19 Georgian 20.28
20 Armenian 21.02

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.2% Makrani + 45.8% Laz @ 2.15
2 57.2% Makrani + 42.8% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.49
3 51.2% Kurdish + 48.8% Makrani @ 2.58
4 56.8% Makrani + 43.2% Armenian @ 2.71
5 55.8% Balochi + 44.2% Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.84
6 54.7% Makrani + 45.3% Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.03
7 58.1% Iranian + 41.9% Balochi @ 3.22
8 55.4% Balochi + 44.6% Laz @ 3.24
9 56.3% Balochi + 43.7% Georgian_Jew @ 3.31
10 58% Balochi + 42% Armenian @ 3.45
11 51.4% Brahui + 48.6% Laz @ 3.53
12 51.9% Brahui + 48.1% Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.67
13 59.8% Balochi + 40.2% Assyrian @ 3.67
14 54.5% Brahui + 45.5% Turkish_Kayseri @ 3.78
15 59.3% Iranian + 40.7% Makrani @ 3.78
16 62.1% Iranian + 37.9% Brahui @ 3.79
17 54.2% Kurdish + 45.8% Brahui @ 3.81
18 58.5% Balochi + 41.5% Turkish_Kayseri @ 3.82
19 67.1% Makrani + 32.9% Cypriot @ 3.84
20 59.8% Balochi + 40.2% Iranian_Jew @ 3.96
09-09-2019, 02:57 PM
hussein khan

puntdal seems kind of pretty bad calc...
09-09-2019, 02:59 PM
Babak

Quote:

Originally Posted by hussein khan

puntdal seems kind of pretty bad calc...

Wish i had his kit#, would really help us out
09-09-2019, 02:59 PM
hussein khan

Apparently, if this is a kurd/iranian, seems like west asian iranics with below 1% SI seems to appear frequently....

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 41.09
2 Baloch 23.64
3 SW-Asian 10.68
4 Mediterranean 9.96
5 NE-Euro 6.75
6 NE-Asian 3.6
7 Pygmy 1.13
8 Siberian 1.11
9 Beringian 1.01
10 S-Indian 0.6
11 Papuan 0.26
12 SE-Asian 0.09
13 American 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 turkish (harappa) 5.77
2 kurd (harappa) 6.29
3 iranian (harappa) 6.83
4 kurd (yunusbayev) 7.34
5 azeri (harappa) 7.76
6 kurd (xing) 8.34
7 iranian (behar) 9.01
8 armenian (harappa) 9.03
9 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 9.16
10 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 9.46
11 turk (behar) 9.55
12 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 10.15
13 iraqi-arab (harappa) 13.38
14 assyrian (harappa) 13.76
15 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 14.58
16 kumyk (yunusbayev) 14.61
17 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 14.82
18 turkmen (yunusbayev) 15.21
19 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 15.22
20 iranian-jew (behar) 15.57

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.1% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) + 17.9% makrani (hgdp) @ 3.77
2 83.6% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) + 16.4% brahui (hgdp) @ 3.78
3 91.1% kurd (yunusbayev) + 8.9% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 3.88
4 91.2% kurd (yunusbayev) + 8.8% basque (hgdp) @ 3.88
5 89.2% kurd (yunusbayev) + 10.8% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 3.96
6 83.1% turk (behar) + 16.9% brahui (hgdp) @ 4.02
7 81.6% turk (behar) + 18.4% makrani (hgdp) @ 4.03
8 82.8% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) + 17.2% balochi (hgdp) @ 4.08
9 91.3% turkish (harappa) + 8.7% brahui (hgdp) @ 4.09
10 87% kurd (yunusbayev) + 13% italian (hgdp) @ 4.13
11 65.9% kurd (xing) + 34.1% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 4.13
12 90.5% turkish (harappa) + 9.5% makrani (hgdp) @ 4.14
13 80.9% iranian (harappa) + 19.1% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 4.16
14 75.2% armenian (harappa) + 24.8% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 4.18
15 90.2% kurd (yunusbayev) + 9.8% sardinian (hgdp) @ 4.19
16 61.1% iranian (harappa) + 38.9% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 4.19
17 64.4% kurd (harappa) + 35.6% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 4.19
18 84.8% kurd (yunusbayev) + 15.2% tuscan (hapmap) @ 4.2
19 60.2% iranian (harappa) + 39.8% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 4.22
20 85.8% iranian (harappa) + 14.2% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 4.22

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