Ask CommonSense!Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
He posted his K13 and K13 of his cousins.
Here are surnames of Banija Serbs, MILKOVIĆ is writen down among M https://banija.rs/obicaji/16171-imen...ih-srba-3.html
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Ask CommonSense!Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
He posted his K13 and K13 of his cousins.
Here are surnames of Banija Serbs, MILKOVIĆ is writen down among M https://banija.rs/obicaji/16171-imen...ih-srba-3.html
Btw, Hrvoje who is real Zagreb Croat scores similar to me, not like academic Croatian average and he is half Slovenian plus 1/8 Czech.
It seems to translate, because I score 43.5% EEuro and 29% Baltic. Why should I believe that those Serbs with 10-20% EEuro should score 30% on average?Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
Unless someone can show me that the majority of Serbs score between 40-50% East Euro on 23andme, then I would obviously not have any counterarguments.
That is not enough to include him because it means you don't know is he Serb or Croat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
His results are more typical for Croats. You should include him only if he told one of you he is a Serb.
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Milković families are mainly Croats and they are mostly from Gospic area and according to some sources from Dubrovacko primorje (Mravinjac) or Vrlika and Herzegovina, rarely Serbs and Hungarians. In the past century, relatively most of Croatian residents bearing this family name were born in Zagreb and in Gospic area. In places Selo Sveti Marko and Malo Polje in Gospic area every second inhabitant had the family name Milković.
On Serbian thread. Leto is right, we went to far here. This is thread about Moldavian genetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
I agree, 90% of Serbian results posted here are from so called western Serbs. Even most Serbs on their genetic forums have such ancestry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Western Serbs are not majority of Serbs.
Stop trolling Moldavians ustaša woman! CS posted his result on South Slavic & neighbours as Serbian result, and I got his kit as Serb kit. He is not different than Lika Serb and East Bosnia Serbian woman with 35% Baltic posted by you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
Shut the fuck up disgusting Croat bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
We are Serbs, we are living in Serbia, and have full right to be counted in Serbian average.
They don't btw. Most Serbs score between 15-20% indeed, including my matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Learn some manners, complexed Serb. I didn't insult you, and ofcourse you should be counted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
I just said most of people who are tested among Serbs are western Serbs, not average Serbs from Serbia proper who seem to care much less about genetics than you do.
Also, you will be reported to Loki next time you insult me, I will demand your ban. Speak this way to your mother and sister.
I live in Serbia and I am almost 34% Baltic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
And my phenotype is like average Serb.
https://i.imgur.com/spcWrAS.jpg
Still dont believe that average Baltic for Serbs is 30%?
they do. 23andme exagurates your main admixture and decreases your minor ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
it's because of this:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...cestry-results
this is the same person on 23andme and k13:
Southern European
81.0%
Eastern European
15.1%
Northwestern European
0.4%
Broadly European
3.3%
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.63
2 North_Atlantic 25.09
3 East_Med 16.52
4 West_Med 16.48
5 West_Asian 9.3
6 South_Asian 2.65
7 Red_Sea 1.05
8 Oceanian 0.2
9 Northeast_African 0.08
10 East_Asian 0.01
I posted it as well, but I tought he is a Croat. Unlike you, Commonsense is a decent poster and I trust everything he posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Nope, I actually googled and Krajina sits at the border with Croatia and also very close to the Hungarian admixed Vojvodina. We also have mixed Moldovans with 40% Baltic and they are not average. The same can be said about those with 22%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
So? We didn't mixed with them, we have lived in our homogeneous villages, separated from them. There was always deep despise and hate between Croats and Serbs for generations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
I don't have hardly any Croatian matches in Gedmatch. In fact, I have even few Albanians, but Croats less than that.
I don't know. I don't question your ethnic determination, but it's interesting because I cluster with Croats, Bosnians and some Slovenes everywhere from 23andme to MyHeritage, Davidski's Global 25 sheet, and old Eurogenes samples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
I'm usually quite far from Serbs, who cluster with non-Moldavian Romanians, but with amateurishly collected samples, it seems that Serbs have suddenly become Croatian-like. Kind of makes one wonder what's happening.
the Serbian in Eurogenes k13 and k15 was probably just one person's result, and not an average. global 25 also has only 5 Serbs who aren't very representative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
what do you get in 23andme and my heritage?
There is nothing "Croatian-like" in Serbian results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
You dont need to believe what is Serbian average, I don't care.
I know that I am with my results closer to Serbian than to Croatian population.
^^^^Ion, I think uncomfortable truth is dinaric Slavs are very similar people, apart from Montenegrins who have stronger Albanian influence observable in their YDNA and autosomal.
I really want no similarity with Serbs, but it's quite obvious from tons of shared surnames and matching those aren't pretty different.
I would say NW Croats and SE Serbs form clusters on their own, former being west-slavic like and later being east balkan like, but others are quite similar including Bosniaks who descend from both.
Here is South Croat average I composed out of academic Split Croats, Morlach and Slavic cluster.
South_Croat_average,25.97,31.99,16.29,7.83,13.15,1 .91,0.47,0.26,0.66,0.58,0.46,0.12,0.19
Distance to: South_Croat_average
0.89679290 Serbian_Bosnia
0.92903175 Croat_Split
2.46288909 Bosnian
2.56700214 Croatian_new
2.92249893 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
3.10478663 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
3.11250402 Croat_Bosnia
3.17259221 Serbian_new
3.26658843 Serb_Croatia
3.91149588 South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster
I wonder about Serb samples used in academic papers, not speaking about gedmatch, those are really very different from Croats and even Bosniaks and much more Balkan.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
examples
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4141785/
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0135820
It's a normal surname among Serbs, exists even in people from Kosovo:Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
https://www.poreklo.rs/2012/02/24/po...ovic/?lang=lat
Normal surname among Croats as well, my friend with same surname is from fully Croat place in Lika.Quote:
Originally Posted by CommonSense
Which brings me to question: how is it possible we have so many same surnames (like Došen) , but we have nothing to do with each other? :rolleyes:
I wanted to mail some of samples I found on gedmatch to find out their exact anestry for my Croatian database but I am afraid some of those I think are Croats may be Serbs so that's why I didn't mail them yet.
Point is not once I had difficulty to guess who is who based on surnames and gedmatch results alone and I know you are too.
Look in my signature, the "Autosomal DNA" link.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by CommonSense
Except Milković, also exist Miljković, Malković and Maljković.
John Malkovich possible have Serbian paternal origin from Lika, it was written about that on Poreklo.
No he isn't, he is half Croat from Ozalj but I am not suprised, your experts will find Serb origin in just about everyone. Sick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
this is them:Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
https://i.imgur.com/C9r27oW.png
it's a good average, if this was in k13 i would get Serbian first instead of Moldavian like i do now.
and these are the academic Bosniaks from Sarajevo, pretty similar, just more Baltic.:
Bosnian,24.83,31.82,15.17,8.94,14.02,1.63,1.59,0.5 7,0.58,0.37,0.34,0.01,0.08
Both should be added to gedmatch than. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
It's the people with origins from the shotakvian-speaking areas like Herzegovina that have common surnames. My great grandmother's maiden surname was Sertić, it's an old Croatian surname and easily recognisable as non-Serbian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
Bosnia too. Marković is very common among both. And many others.Quote:
Originally Posted by CommonSense
They already are. Bosnians used to be too, but they were deleted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...es-on-gedmatch
That's actually very common in every South Slavic country and region. In Macedonia you have people with the surname Markovski and in Bulgaria Markov.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
Now that's more inline with what I was referring to, when I started all this shitstorm.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
How do you measure Albanian influence, with E-V13 :rolleyes: ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
Yeah. Every E-V13 is a little AlbanianQuote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
yes, 23andme doesn't seem to be in line with all calcs - I'm 42% East Euro and 46% Balkan on there but only 31% Baltic on K13.
btw best Yugo names are Puljić and Pizdić / Пуљић & Пиздић / Pulici and Pizdici
It’s because those two numbers aren’t linearly correlated with each other. Pure Russians who are 100 percent Eastern Euro on 23 and Me are not 100 percent Baltic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
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ўэй да ту молдовінешті воргешть? саў нума русэшті? ту дін МССР/РССМ, да?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daos777
Maybe I should have said Paleo-Balkan. It's noticable in both ydna and autosomal.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Moldavenesti nu воргешть.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
Toliko po russki govoru