I realized he is my match, can be from my mother's paternal line that has "Shop" surname.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Anyway, I'm going to try to contact him.
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I realized he is my match, can be from my mother's paternal line that has "Shop" surname.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Anyway, I'm going to try to contact him.
Starčević from Lič was ofcourse included in Gorski Kotar average, in case somebody wonders. They live there for long time after all and are now natives. But he didn't impact it much, as other samples were considerably different from him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
It's just an assumption because his surname was spelled in a Serbian manner (with dž). The results seem like that of a regular Albanian, while the confirmed few Y-DNA examples don't imply them to be an Albanian subgroup. I hope that user will respond.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
I contacted him well over a year ago and didn't get a reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by CommonSense
Montenegrin woman (most likely) with little mongoloid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/at...5&d=1602491759
Bosniak (probably Sandžakian), surname Fazlić, his y dna is I2a1b.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/at...8&d=1602493600
Huge plot map would be incredible, with only Balkans showing up so you can see everything.
This guy is close to you, as you are similar mix :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMaestro
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6930750
Distance to: Zagreb(CRO/ALB)
4.57006565 Maestro(Hungarian+Albanian)
5.16675914 Cybele(Romanian)
5.25806999 TieRed_grandma(serb)
5.78951639 Fieraru(Romanian)
5.83809044 Morlak(serb)
6.13789866 Commonsense(serb)
6.21370260 Milenko(serb)
6.46857017 Decius(Serb)
7.01050640 Carpatz(romanian)
7.02561029 Ogi(montenegrin)
7.04453689 Ikol(serb)
7.11185630 YupYup(serb)
7.45611829 TieRed(Serb)
7.60501151 Vojnik(macedonian)
7.63990183 Bosniensis
7.98759663 emziepiex3_mom(Serb)
8.63761541 paradox_dad(aromanian)
8.74145869 Aye's_father(serb)
8.77192681 Nurzat(romanian/rusyn)
8.79360563 Emziepiex3(serb)
8.81410801 IonBasescul_23andme+LivingDNA
8.85773673 Sofia(bulgarian)
8.92235395 Chris(hungarian)
9.22181652 Andre(romanian)
9.26986516 Dijana_Friend_of_valentins(north_macedonia)
This is for Leto (his favorite calculator).Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Dodecad of Serb from Dubica. Siberian influence is normal here, since he carry N haplogroup according to my information.
https://theapricity.com/forum/attach...9&d=1602506822
Cool results, man. If you subtract 7-8% from the Caucasus and add it to the North European you'll get a Polish person (more or less) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Varda
On mixed mode of K13 posted by vbn on Serbian autosomal thread he got:Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
1 72.2% South_Polish + 27.8% Greek_Thessaly @1.72
2 61.5% South_Polish + 38.5% Bulgarian @1.74
3 55.9% Ukrainian + 44.1% Romanian @1.75
4 75.6% Ukrainian + 24.4% Italian_Abruzzo @1.89
5 58.1% Bulgarian + 41.9% Estonian @1.91
6 57.6% South_Polish + 42.4% Romanian @1.94
7 79.6% South_Polish + 20.4% South_Italian @1.94
8 53.3% Serbian + 46.7% Ukrainian @2.02
9 77.4% South_Polish + 22.6% Central_Greek @2.02
10 62% Romanian + 38% Estonian @2.02
etc.
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@LetoQuote:
Originally Posted by Varda
Ukrainian is the best approximation for old Slavs?
Judging by the recent Viking-era average made by Vbnet it looks so. Northern Ukrainian (Volhynia).Quote:
Originally Posted by Varda
He born in Djakovica and lived in Prishtina, Belgrade. Then migrated to the USA. He didn't answer the question "how do you identify?"Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
I would guess him as a Bosniak if I had not seen the DNA result, but you probably know better than me about the region.
Being Albanian is also would not be surprising as he had lived in Serbia, we don't know which passport he used before migrating to the USA.
Serbian from Niš
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.59
2 North_Atlantic 23.16
3 East_Med 14.31
4 West_Asian 14.05
5 West_Med 13.96
6 Red_Sea 1.94
7 South_Asian 0.97
8 Oceanian 0.37
9 Sub-Saharan 0.36
10 East_Asian 0.3
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 6.03
2 Serbian 6.47
3 Romanian 7.46
4 Bulgarian 8.78
5 Croatian 9.09
6 Hungarian 10.69
7 Austrian 14.53
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.63
9 South_Polish 15.63
10 East_German 15.7
11 Ukrainian 16.06
12 Greek_Thessaly 17.48
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.28
14 Southwest_Russian 18.5
15 Polish 19.03
16 West_German 20.44
17 Russian_Smolensk 20.57
18 Tatar 20.88
19 Estonian_Polish 21.39
20 Belorussian 21.95
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.5% Croatian + 17.5% Armenian @ 1.39
2 82.3% Croatian + 17.7% Georgian_Jewish @ 1.64
3 82.6% Croatian + 17.4% Assyrian @ 2.06
4 82.1% Croatian + 17.9% Kurdish @ 2.1
5 79.3% Croatian + 20.7% Turkish @ 2.3
6 80.5% Croatian + 19.5% Azeri @ 2.35
7 88.4% Moldavian + 11.6% Armenian @ 2.46
8 88.3% Moldavian + 11.7% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.5
9 83.4% Croatian + 16.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.57
10 82.4% Croatian + 17.6% Iranian @ 2.57
11 73.2% South_Polish + 26.8% Armenian @ 2.63
12 88.5% Moldavian + 11.5% Assyrian @ 2.64
13 88.2% Moldavian + 11.8% Kurdish @ 2.65
14 83.3% Croatian + 16.7% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.66
15 56.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 43.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.74
16 89.1% Moldavian + 10.9% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.8
17 89% Moldavian + 11% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.82
18 83.5% Croatian + 16.5% Georgian @ 2.84
19 84.3% Croatian + 15.7% Abhkasian @ 2.85
20 88.5% Moldavian + 11.5% Iranian @ 2.9
Albanian from Prishtina
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.42
2 North_Atlantic 21.76
3 West_Med 19.89
4 Baltic 17.4
5 West_Asian 10.21
6 Amerindian 1.51
7 Red_Sea 1
8 Oceanian 0.88
9 South_Asian 0.69
10 East_Asian 0.23
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 4.27
2 Bulgarian 8.48
3 Tuscan 9.72
4 Italian_Abruzzo 9.75
5 Central_Greek 10.08
6 West_Sicilian 10.3
7 Romanian 10.34
8 East_Sicilian 11.23
9 Ashkenazi 12.25
10 North_Italian 13.2
11 South_Italian 13.62
12 Serbian 14.27
13 Italian_Jewish 18.49
14 Algerian_Jewish 18.91
15 Sephardic_Jewish 19.13
16 Moldavian 20.48
17 Portuguese 20.85
18 Spanish_Extremadura 21.42
19 Hungarian 22.06
20 Spanish_Galicia 22.08
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.5% Greek_Thessaly + 6.5% Southeast_English @ 3.66
2 70.3% Bulgarian + 29.7% Italian_Jewish @ 3.66
3 65.2% Romanian + 34.8% Italian_Jewish @ 3.7
4 92.1% Greek_Thessaly + 7.9% West_German @ 3.7
5 94.1% Greek_Thessaly + 5.9% Danish @ 3.71
6 94.5% Greek_Thessaly + 5.5% Norwegian @ 3.73
7 94.2% Greek_Thessaly + 5.8% Orcadian @ 3.73
8 94.2% Greek_Thessaly + 5.8% North_Dutch @ 3.73
9 55.8% Bulgarian + 44.2% West_Sicilian @ 3.74
10 94.5% Greek_Thessaly + 5.5% Swedish @ 3.75
11 94% Greek_Thessaly + 6% North_German @ 3.76
12 94.6% Greek_Thessaly + 5.4% West_Scottish @ 3.77
13 92.9% Greek_Thessaly + 7.1% South_Dutch @ 3.77
14 94.4% Greek_Thessaly + 5.6% Southwest_English @ 3.77
15 94.7% Greek_Thessaly + 5.3% North_Swedish @ 3.78
16 94.6% Greek_Thessaly + 5.4% Irish @ 3.78
17 91.9% Greek_Thessaly + 8.1% Hungarian @ 3.82
18 92.3% Greek_Thessaly + 7.7% French @ 3.82
19 92.5% Greek_Thessaly + 7.5% Austrian @ 3.82
20 93.2% Greek_Thessaly + 6.8% East_German @
Croat from Zadar, Dalmatia. Thank you Lucas! :)
Distance to: Croat_ZadarCode:Croat_Zadar,29.89,31.61,18.81,8.21,9.33,0,0,1.11,1.03,0,0,0,0
5.15828460 Hungarian_Budapest
5.17778910 Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar
5.25966729 Hungarian
5.29328820 Hungarian_Alfold
5.29949998 Croat_Croatia
5.42231500 Croat_Croatia_Central
5.42778039 Croat
5.59102853 Hungarian_Transylvania
5.61103377 Hungarian_Transdanubia
5.82182961 Slovenian
6.14239367 Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
6.32959714 Bosniak_Krajina
6.45102317 Hungarian_Csango
6.53169197 Moldova_North
6.54812950 Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
6.64111436 Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
6.67025487 Hungarian_Szekely
6.76097626 Croat_B&H_Bosnia_proper
6.77979351 Croat_Croatia_Zagorje
6.78030235 Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper
6.93069261 Croat_B&H
6.93323878 Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
7.44108863 Croat_Croatia_Istria_&_Kvarner
7.64244071 Bosniak
7.79811516 Hungarian_Northern
Target: Croat_Zadar
Distance: 2.6242% / 2.62419483 | ADC: 0.25x
47.0 Bosniak_Krajina
43.2 Croat_Croatia_Central
8.4 French_Basque
1.4 Ukrainian
Two Serbs from Banija.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Dragović from Sjeverovac (Sunja) https://actacroatica.com/en/location/sjeverovac/
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/at...5&d=1602584345
Ljubica Beronja from Sisak. She has a match with Dragana Žakula (Žakula is Krajina Serb surname, mostly from Lika)
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/at...6&d=1602584441
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And I asked not to post unconfirmed results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Varda
Please don't post results of people whose full ancestry isn't known - knowing someone's surname is absolutely inadequate.
Why not? It's clear they are Serbs or South Slavs. You don't need their detailed genealogy to see that. Serbs and Croats don't even mix much, the same goes for Bosniaks. They all generally keep to themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Well at least he gave the kit numbers. So if someone wants to know their specific ancestry, they can find out. If not, they can be ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Not really, before the war in Bosnia mixed familes were very common. Up to 30% in some cities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
My city is loaded with mutts, it's extremely common here. Much less in rural areas.
If Zagreb is mixed and makes up 25% of Croatia's population, it shouldn't be ignored. This trend is on the rise basically everywhere. Capitals and big cities are attracting more and more people which results in the leveling of regional differences. Only on TA people would overemphasize small and unrepresentative groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
How would those mixed Bosnians identify? Would they typically identify with a religious community? After all, it's all just a bunch of "religious tribes" (Bosniensis).
It will be known these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Person is South Slav for sure, and this is thread about S. Slavic genetic.
Zagreb is actually very Croatian, very homogenous for capital city standards. Coastal cities are more mixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
As Yugoslavs or Bosnians. Only Bosniaks are a religious tribe. Croat and Serb identity preceeds Christianity even if it was formed along religious lines in 19th century.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Yes, you're right. But we should know to include them in statistics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Varda
No,I mean does de-Islamization of Bosniaks happen in such cases?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
I think those mixes are mostly agnostic/atheist. Because such mixing was common only during communist Yugoslavia, not before or after it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Okay. I was hoping there is at least some number of Bosniaks leaving Islam for Christianity (joining the Serbian or Croatian communities). But it'd be extremely difficult - their entire ethnic identity would become meaningless once Islam is removed from the equation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Some Muslims (mostly intelectuals) in the past had Serbian identity as Muslims https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serb_MuslimsQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
^^
Look on notable people on the link.
Some did, like Emir Kusturica who converted to Orthodoxy. Because he is of Serb origin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
User Max Luburić who was Bosniak of Croatian origin converted to Catholicism. Now he's a Croat.
Hrvoje had his results, but can't send them to me because he's banned and they are in his inbox.
But I know what they are like.
BTW, we have muslim Croats (but much less than before Yugoslavia) today like politican Zlako Hasanbegović who is a Croat but never converted.
One guy who studied with me was the same story.
Neither of them is Croat. There are no Bosniaks today who are purely either of Serbian or Croatian origin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Ofcourse there are. And they are genetically significantly more Croat than you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Insuperable
There isn't. Hasanbegovic is Bosniak and not Croat. Deal with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
No, he's a Croat and you are a Vlach. I value blood above religion and so do many modern right wingers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Insuperable