Haha I mean native to where my ancestors were from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onlyi2aIsEuropean
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Haha I mean native to where my ancestors were from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onlyi2aIsEuropean
Autosomal also goes forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onlyi2aIsEuropean
I am I2a2b (L-38), so I have a subclade of yours?
I don't know about the others, but mine you do not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hauber
Sure but autosomnal varies and changes all the time whilst y-dna and mtdna remains no matter whatQuote:
Originally Posted by Mont
I missclick to answer to Albanian Hunter, I know my Alphabet :'(Quote:
Originally Posted by Mont
Couldn't have asked for better ones.
Nope, they all change over time, the only difference is the way of transmission (YDNA by father to son, mtDNA by mother to son, atDNA by both father and mother).Quote:
Originally Posted by Onlyi2aIsEuropean
Jameslick is shit, it assigns all H mtDNA as H2a2, test with ftdna monopolisers is the only way i'm aware.
No, i fall under i-m423 but dont know further than that yet. The yseq animated migration map says i2 originated 20000BC in bosnia, quickly crossed the sea to north italy then moved north france to form i-m423 in 12100bcQuote:
Originally Posted by Hauber
https://phylogeographer.com/mygratio...2&clade=I-M423
Thats what i mean, y dna will remain as long as i have sons and they have sons etc. Same case with daughters (but i not so secretly dont want daughters)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mont
I'm thinking about doing an analysis by myself to be honest. You are not the first one that I have seen that criticized JamesLick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tongio
My relatives tested with ftdna and we know our mtdna( H3 branch) jameslick told me I was H2a2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mont
I have no idea which it is. Probably R1b. Doesn't matter to me, I don't need a genetic test to know who I am.
Thanks. It is very oldQuote:
Originally Posted by Onlyi2aIsEuropean
Everyone that belongs to I1,I2 haplogroup
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9AWcK_X0AIM-rz.jpg:large
I see... did the YDNA haplogroup predictor of Morley work as expected by the way?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tongio
Morley and yseq are good from what i saw, we tested both with genera, but they did not assing us the same branch of " J " for example that means It is not a standart result.Maybe genera just doesn't code many mtdna SNPs for men and they are the ones to blame, i thought of testing my mother with genera, as woman only have the mtdna they might read more SNPs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mont
Both YSEQ and Morley gave me the same haplogroup, J1-Z2215.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tongio
Don't worry, you won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onlyi2aIsEuropean
That is strange , you got few SNPs read, maybe you were negative for all the main branches genera generaly reads, like P58 ,the semitic branch.Some J1 branches in Europe might have been brough from the caucasus by the Yamnaya as two J1 infividuals have been found in the steppes, one recently in Khvalinsky, https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...he-Volga-River, typical local autossomal.Neolithic farmers also had some J1, so you never know till tou get to know your specific branch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mont
Double
I2 robust European Hunter-Gatherer master race.
An R1a1 is amused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Africanwidow
Mine is semitic, plus the neolithic farmers were actually J2, not J1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tongio
They had both, there is a carioca of portuguese minhoto paternal origin on anthopogenica with y DNA j1-L620 , not a semitic, nor farmer clade at , it is in a downstream branch of the khvalinky steppe herder i Just told you, that is possibly spread by indo europeans(maybe the alans?).My point is just J1 is not semitic exclusive, once its origins were in the caucasus this is perfectly understandable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mont
Yes, I am happy.
So far downstream of R-M12149*, together with Chechens, Georgians, Armenians, Turks, Lazes and Vlachs (Romania and Albania).
Upstream of us at R-M1249* (TMRCA: 5400 ybp) two Tocharians and the Iran_IA_Hajji-Firruz-Teppe Persian.
Haplogroups are meaningless when it comes to identity. I don't see how one can be happy or unhappy about them.
A German with haplogroup I won't identify with I Serbs instead of R Germans.
I wish I knew more about my maternal, but it's very rare.
Dodging E, J or N was good even if it doesnt mean much or anything, still feels better. Apart from that, i don't really care.
Something most people probably don't realize, is that they have all the halogroups in their family tree, even all the Y, they are on the male maternal side, and all the mt on the female paternal side. Just different proportions, although something close statistically to the average frequency for your region/country.
I do not understand, the haplogroup is not transmitted uninterruptedly from parents to children? until a certain age of course, the acquisition of the type of haplogroup is initially random. We only inherited one anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petalpusher
I'm Yamnaya as fack :p
Yes but that means both your Y and mt shown in your profile, you can only be sure half of your ancestors had that Y and mt. Half of what leads to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Your maternal grandfather could well have been R1 or I1, you wouldn't know about it, even less before that, like the grandfather of your mother etc.. And the mother of your father could have been L, you wouldn't know about it either. It's only half of the story, at best.
For example my grandmother on the paternal side is U5, should i identify as H1 or U5? She contributed equally as my maternal grandmother to me (25%), if she had been Chinese, i would still be mt H. Who knows how many different mt all my paternal female ancestors had. Same goes for Y. What you get in results is only all the men on your paternal side. That's 1/4 of all your human ancestors. They could have swap race a million times with the same Y anyway during all this time.
J1, in my case, is semitic, that's also my point. And the neolithic european farmers were way more J2 (which is anatolian, their place of origin) than J1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tongio
Yeah, R1a Slavic master-race.
Since no one dares to invade us, we invade ourselves. What more proof of superiority can you ask for?
Although unfortunately I don't like vodka, so I am not a good representative of my ancestral ethnicity.
Your clade z2215 is too upstream/basal to tell if its specificaly semitic, the indo european clade is downstream of yours(that means that with further testing It might be your clade). Anatolian farmers y DNA was E1b and G .Quote:
Originally Posted by Mont
ALL J y DNA are of caucasian Hunter gatherers/iranian farmer origin and both J1 and J2 ocurred amomg european farmers as a minority.
Again, J2 was way more present than J1. Also, about the Yamnaya theory you said, I have heard people talking about J2 but never J1 present in Yamnaya, could you link me some studies?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tongio
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Originally Posted by Tongio
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Originally Posted by Mont
The study is the subject of this tread i have linked before.
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/attach...5&d=1648410834
I have seen that one, but do you have more?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tongio
I remember before this study there was already a J1 in the region among ancient steppe herders, i don't know where to find about it tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mont