Genética de españoles e hispanoamericanos

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Originally Posted by Defcon2

Bueno 2% si pero no un 5-6% que suelo obtener.

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post744565

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Originally Posted by Defcon2

No hay ningún estudio que diga que los españoles seamos un 15% marroquíes, o si?

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No creo, simplemente porque los españoles no somos un 15% marroquíes.

Aparte yo no he dicho nada de eso, yo he hablado de modelar a través de estas "admixture tools", no de "ser ningún % marroquí".

Pero no descarto que cualquier día, si eso le interesa a alguien decir que es así, empiecen a aparecer, o que indiquen algo totalmente opuesto, o lo queles dé la gana demostrar.

Deberías considerar los estudios y sus conclusiones en su verdadero valor, los estudios indican la posible idoneidad o no de una tesis preestablecida, no constituyen por sí mismos ninguna verdad indiscutible ni inmutable.

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Originally Posted by gixajo

No creo, simplemente porque los españoles no somos un 15% marroquíes.

Aparte yo no he dicho nada de eso, yo he hablado de modelar a través de estas "admixture tools", no de "ser ningún % marroquí".

Pero no descarto que cualquier día, si eso le interesa a alguien decir que es así, empiecen a aparecer, o que indiquen algo totalmente opuesto, o lo queles dé la gana demostrar.

Deberías considerar los estudios y sus conclusiones en su verdadero valor, los estudios indican la posible idoneidad o no de una tesis preestablecida, no constituyen por sí mismos ninguna verdad indiscutible ni inmutable.

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Es que un 5% Taforalt supone ser un 15% norafricano y eso no se ha visto reflejado en ningún estudio.

Hombre, yo prefiero darle más veracidad a los científicos que se encargan de esto y a sus conclusiones antes de afirmar algo usando métodos cuestionables. En las calculadoras Gedmatch tampoco obtengo un 15% ni sumando todos los componentes africanos.

También entiendo que esto es algo de aficionados y que solo tenemos unas pocas herramientas a nuestro alcance, pero la pelota de la mentira se puede ir haciendo más grande si se afirman cosas que no están probadas y se pueden llegar a tomar como hechos veraces cuando no es cierto.

Lo digo por que ya tuve una "discusión" en el otro foro sobre esto.

Ningún estudio académico utiliza coordenadas PCA como una forma de manejar datos genéticos para su análisis. Las herramientas que utilizamos son de aficionado, nos ayudan a aprender, pero no son infalibles al cien por cien. Lo que tampoco significa que estén completamente equivocados. De los estudios más recientes que tenemos, lo que sabemos es que dentro de la península varía entre el once por ciento y el cero por ciento, según el individuo y la región de sus antepasados ​​(entonces podemos concluir que el promedio estará entre el cinco y el seis por ciento). Existe una línea gradual que va desde el oeste de la península hacia el este en lo que respecta a este tipo de herencia genética.

Y luego también hay que tener en cuenta las recientes migraciones internas que se han producido en la península, especialmente en el caso español, donde no es raro tener personas mitad andaluzas\vascas o mitad castellanas\catalanas por ejemplo, que pueden diluir los porcentajes.

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Originally Posted by Defcon2

Es que un 5% Taforalt supone ser un 15% norafricano y eso no se ha visto reflejado en ningún estudio.

Hombre, yo prefiero darle más veracidad a los científicos que se encargan de esto y a sus conclusiones antes de afirmar algo usando métodos cuestionables. En las calculadoras Gedmatch tampoco obtengo un 15% ni sumando todos los componentes africanos.

También entiendo que esto es algo de aficionados y que solo tenemos unas pocas herramientas a nuestro alcance, pero la pelota de la mentira se puede ir haciendo más grande si se afirman cosas que no están probadas y se pueden llegar a tomar como hechos veraces cuando no es cierto.

Lo digo por que ya tuve una "discusión" en el otro foro sobre esto.

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El Tarofalt este es como el Finnish que los mongoles reciben en sus análisis de ADN. O que muchos Europeos reciben como "South Asian" en un 4-7%. O incluso como algunos Europeos reciben "amerindian" (especialmente en el norte de Europa). La cuestión es que los científicos de esta pseudociencia también se equivocan y etiquen con nombres determinados influidos por la pseudoHistoria que conocen de los países a los que etiquetan. Como se sabe que AlAndalus dominó España por cerca de 3 millones de años, pues en vez de pensar que quizá no hubo prácticamente ningún mestizaje, y mucho menos aquí en Galicia que no hubo moros jamás (y tenemos el % de "norteafricano" más alto de España), cuando ven una similitud con otra población, automáticamente van a lo fácil: "pues lo etiquetamos como Tarofalt" y punto. Como a los mongoles le sale un 1-2% de Finlandés (suena más extremo que lo nuestro pero aun así igual de ridículo pues para que los gallegos tengamos un % de norteafricano tan alto esto implicaría que hace 3-5000 años esto estaba poblado por norteafricanos, lo cual desde un punto de vista arqueológico, histórico, toponímico, y hasta por el sentido común podemos deducir que es una gilipollez muy grande. Lo mismo que el amerindio en Escandinavos. En realidad están confundiendo una parte del ANE que lo dividen en Amerindio y otro en East Asian. Así son los "científicos" de esta pseudo-ciencia.

Así que no, ni los mongoles tienen nada de finlandés, ni los escandinavos de amerindio, ni los españoles de norteafricano. Es más bien AL REVÉS, o como mucho un ANCESTRO COMÚN (un proto-Med, o Ancient Mediterranean, o lo que sea), pero el decir que tenemos Tarofalt implica que descendemos de ellos, y es UNA MENTIRA APOTEÓSICA que solo los crédulos se lo creen.

Lo que pasa es que como hay un cierto parecido (distante) entre los más morenos de la población española y los más claros de la población norteafricana, entonces le sumamos la historia de AlAndalus y pum, ya tenemos la Historia montada. Pero es ridículo solo utilizando el caso de Galicia. El más alto en norteafricano y jamás hubo aquí norteafricanos. Jamás.

Que haya elementos residuales en ALGUNOS (pocos) españoles porque quizá algún morisco se quedó y no fue expulsado? Puede ser. Pero decir que 40 millones de españoles tienen un 5% de norteafricano implicaría que hace 4-5000 años esto estaba poblada de ellos, lo que implicaría un desembarco superior al de Normandía. Lo más lógico es pensar que el científico que etiquetó como "Tarofalt" determinados segmentos de ADN es un retrasado (no lo digo yo, lo dice la Historia, la arqueología, etc, etc), al igual que el que calificó de "Finlandés" determinados componentes ANE que tienen los mongoles en común con ellos.

Que los canarios tienen algo de guanche (algunos canarios) ? Pues probablemente sí. Porque es de hace 500 años, conocemos que había guanches en Canarias, conocemos incluso nombres de sus caudillos, y sabemos que eran bereberes, etc. Pero realmente si descontamos el Tarofalt inventado por el pseudocientífico, su % de norteafricano tb es más bajo del que se dice.

Lo que mucha gente no dice que es q los bereberes eran una población Europea (estaban durante la última glaciación en la Península) y después emigraron al norte de Africa, de ahí que tengan muchos halogrupos paternos y maternos de origen Europeo. Y de ahí la confusión. Si se estudia genéticamente a los bereberes se encontrarán segmentos iguales a poblaciones peninsulares pero no porque los peninsulares sean "bereberes" o norteafricanos sino justo al revés, porque los bereberes tienen sangre "Europea".

Quien controla la fuente controla los resultados.

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Originally Posted by Defcon2

Es que un 5% Taforalt supone ser un 15% norafricano y eso no se ha visto reflejado en ningún estudio.

Hombre, yo prefiero darle más veracidad a los científicos que se encargan de esto y a sus conclusiones antes de afirmar algo usando métodos cuestionables. En las calculadoras Gedmatch tampoco obtengo un 15% ni sumando todos los componentes africanos.

También entiendo que esto es algo de aficionados y que solo tenemos unas pocas herramientas a nuestro alcance, pero la pelota de la mentira se puede ir haciendo más grande si se afirman cosas que no están probadas y se pueden llegar a tomar como hechos veraces cuando no es cierto.

Lo digo por que ya tuve una "discusión" en el otro foro sobre esto.

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La ciencia no dicta ninguna verdad. La ciencia dicta un método basado en convenciones, a través del que podemos avanzar hacia una verdad, acercarnos a ella.

En ningún momento quiero decir que hay que desconfiar de la ciencia, de lo que hay que desconfiar es de los científicos, en el sentido de que debemos tener en cuenta lo que dicen como fuente principal (porque no hay otra mejor, ni siquiera igual), pero que hay que ser críticos y no aceptar porque sí, cualquier cosa que esté supuestamente avalada por un estudio.

Todos esos estudios no dicen (o no deberían decir) "Esto es así, y esto lo demuestra", sino más bien "Esto es una propuesta que podría indicar que son así las cosas".

Con esto quiero decir, que debemos dejar siempre un pequeño rescoldo de duda, siempre, incluso cuando algo nos conviene, nos guste o nos beneficie (o todo lo contrario), y que nadie ni nada en este mundo, merece que le demos todo nuestro crédito de forma incondicional.

Creo que esa duda es esencial para vacunarnos con todo lo que se está acentuando cada vez más a nuestro alrededor. me refiero al fanatismo, al sectarismo y al extremismo de cualquier color y de cualquier lado.

Por eso, y porque sin dudar, no hay conocimiento posible.

Siento el rollo macabeo.:)

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Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas

Ningún estudio académico utiliza coordenadas PCA como una forma de manejar datos genéticos para su análisis. Las herramientas que utilizamos son de aficionado, nos ayudan a aprender, pero no son infalibles al cien por cien. Lo que tampoco significa que estén completamente equivocados. De los estudios más recientes que tenemos, lo que sabemos es que dentro de la península varía entre el once por ciento y el cero por ciento, según el individuo y la región de sus antepasados ​​(entonces podemos concluir que el promedio estará entre el cinco y el seis por ciento). Existe una línea gradual que va desde el oeste de la península hacia el este en lo que respecta a este tipo de herencia genética.

Y luego también hay que tener en cuenta las recientes migraciones internas que se han producido en la península, especialmente en el caso español, donde no es raro tener personas mitad andaluzas\vascas o mitad castellanas\catalanas por ejemplo, que pueden diluir los porcentajes.

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Las coordenadas y las Admixture tools estas son una herramienta auxiliar, y tanto me da que lo hagas con un software amateur que uno que se considere más de uso académico,sus resultados tienen el mismo valor en el sentido de peso probatorio.

Por mucho que uno esté aceptado como herramienta auxiliar de trabajos académicos y los otros no (o aún no). Es más una cuestión de stándares aceptados, más que de fiabilidad de unos resultados u otros.

Yo diría más bien que según el individuo no, según zonas. Si en una zona indican un 11%, habrá individuos con bastante más y con bastante menos que eso.

Aparte de eso, todos sabemos que las referencias son muy mejorables, pero muuuuuuuuucho.

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Originally Posted by gixajo

La ciencia no dicta ninguna verdad. La ciencia dicta un método basado en convenciones, a través del que podemos avanzar hacia una verdad, acercarnos a ella.

En ningún momento quiero decir que hay que desconfiar de la ciencia, de lo que hay que desconfiar es de los científicos, en el sentido de que debemos tener en cuenta lo que dicen como fuente principal (porque no hay otra mejor, ni siquiera igual), pero que hay que ser críticos y no aceptar porque sí, cualquier cosa que esté supuestamente avalada por un estudio.

Todos esos estudios no dicen (o no deberían decir) "Esto es así, y esto lo demuestra", sino más bien "Esto es una propuesta que podría indicar que son así las cosas".

Con esto quiero decir, que debemos dejar siempre un pequeño rescoldo de duda, siempre, incluso cuando algo nos conviene, nos guste o nos beneficie (o todo lo contrario), y que nadie ni nada en este mundo, merece que le demos todo nuestro crédito de forma incondicional.

Creo que esa duda es esencial para vacunarnos con todo lo que se está acentuando cada vez más a nuestro alrededor. me refiero al fanatismo, al sectarismo y al extremismo de cualquier color y de cualquier lado.

Por eso, y porque sin dudar, no hay conocimiento posible.

Siento el rollo macabeo.:)

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Vale, calculadoras aleatorias de internet usando una herramienta como g25 que ni su creador confía del todo están al mismo nivel que sesudos análisis científicos llevados a cabo por los mejores investigadores que hay hasta la fecha, medición es una y medición es la otra qué mas da.

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Originally Posted by Luso

Target: Luso_scaled
Distance: 4.2363% / 0.04236347
53.0 TUR_Barcin_N
29.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.0 WHG
6.0 MAR_Taforalt
1.0 Dinka

my ancestor:

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This made me spit my fucking beer dude holly shit :laugh:

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Originally Posted by Gota_type_

El Tarofalt este es como el Finnish que los mongoles reciben en sus análisis de ADN. O que muchos Europeos reciben como "South Asian" en un 4-7%. O incluso como algunos Europeos reciben "amerindian" (especialmente en el norte de Europa). La cuestión es que los científicos de esta pseudociencia también se equivocan y etiquen con nombres determinados influidos por la pseudoHistoria que conocen de los países a los que etiquetan. Como se sabe que AlAndalus dominó España por cerca de 3 millones de años, pues en vez de pensar que quizá no hubo prácticamente ningún mestizaje, y mucho menos aquí en Galicia que no hubo moros jamás (y tenemos el % de "norteafricano" más alto de España), cuando ven una similitud con otra población, automáticamente van a lo fácil: "pues lo etiquetamos como Tarofalt" y punto. Como a los mongoles le sale un 1-2% de Finlandés (suena más extremo que lo nuestro pero aun así igual de ridículo pues para que los gallegos tengamos un % de norteafricano tan alto esto implicaría que hace 3-5000 años esto estaba poblado por norteafricanos, lo cual desde un punto de vista arqueológico, histórico, toponímico, y hasta por el sentido común podemos deducir que es una gilipollez muy grande. Lo mismo que el amerindio en Escandinavos. En realidad están confundiendo una parte del ANE que lo dividen en Amerindio y otro en East Asian. Así son los "científicos" de esta pseudo-ciencia.

Así que no, ni los mongoles tienen nada de finlandés, ni los escandinavos de amerindio, ni los españoles de norteafricano. Es más bien AL REVÉS, o como mucho un ANCESTRO COMÚN (un proto-Med, o Ancient Mediterranean, o lo que sea), pero el decir que tenemos Tarofalt implica que descendemos de ellos, y es UNA MENTIRA APOTEÓSICA que solo los crédulos se lo creen.

Lo que pasa es que como hay un cierto parecido (distante) entre los más morenos de la población española y los más claros de la población norteafricana, entonces le sumamos la historia de AlAndalus y pum, ya tenemos la Historia montada. Pero es ridículo solo utilizando el caso de Galicia. El más alto en norteafricano y jamás hubo aquí norteafricanos. Jamás.

Que haya elementos residuales en ALGUNOS (pocos) españoles porque quizá algún morisco se quedó y no fue expulsado? Puede ser. Pero decir que 40 millones de españoles tienen un 5% de norteafricano implicaría que hace 4-5000 años esto estaba poblada de ellos, lo que implicaría un desembarco superior al de Normandía. Lo más lógico es pensar que el científico que etiquetó como "Tarofalt" determinados segmentos de ADN es un retrasado (no lo digo yo, lo dice la Historia, la arqueología, etc, etc), al igual que el que calificó de "Finlandés" determinados componentes ANE que tienen los mongoles en común con ellos.

Que los canarios tienen algo de guanche (algunos canarios) ? Pues probablemente sí. Porque es de hace 500 años, conocemos que había guanches en Canarias, conocemos incluso nombres de sus caudillos, y sabemos que eran bereberes, etc. Pero realmente si descontamos el Tarofalt inventado por el pseudocientífico, su % de norteafricano tb es más bajo del que se dice.

Lo que mucha gente no dice que es q los bereberes eran una población Europea (estaban durante la última glaciación en la Península) y después emigraron al norte de Africa, de ahí que tengan muchos halogrupos paternos y maternos de origen Europeo. Y de ahí la confusión. Si se estudia genéticamente a los bereberes se encontrarán segmentos iguales a poblaciones peninsulares pero no porque los peninsulares sean "bereberes" o norteafricanos sino justo al revés, porque los bereberes tienen sangre "Europea".

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En el caso de los canarios su haplogrupo suele ser europeo porque habían pocos hombres guanches, casi todo el mestizaje se produjo entre un hombre español y una mujer guanche. Eso tal vez explique porque tengo un porcentaje del norte de europa.

Varias medias de los samples individuales dele studio ese.

Fijaos bien en las etiquetas, no son medias provinciales, son samples para aislar el componente vasco y relacionarlo pcon la variedad del euskera hablado en cada zona.

Nótese el matiz, Vizcaya occidental (Encartaciones etc) viene como "Spanish_Biscay", mientras que el resto viene como "Basque_Spanish_Biscay". Osea, que les den a los de las Encartaciones y vecinos. Aunque tengan 15 generaciones nativas, no son son lo suficientemente vascos.

Los samples alaveses son de Aramayona, la única zona tradicionalmente vascoparlante alavesa, que tiene 1500 habitantes. Al resto, que les zurzan, tampoco son vascos el 99% de los alaveses que no sean de allá auqnue tengan 15 generaciones nativas de Álava.

Los samples navarros son solo de 2 zonas vascoparlantes que englobarán cosa del 9% de la población total de Navarra,más el valle del Roncal (que suerte tiene Erronkari, la mitad de los samples pueden ser familaires suyos) que fue vascoparlante hasta hace poco, y que como Aramayona, tiene cosa de 1500 habitantes. Al resto, igual que en Álava y Encartaciones, que les zurzan, que el 90% de los navarros no son vascos.

Así que eso, tenemos más referencias para discriminar de nuevo el componente vasco, pero no son referencias provinciales como tal.

Faltan la referencia nueva de La Rioja, y la del Norte de Aragón, las haré mañana.

Habrá que repasarlas todas.

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Originally Posted by gixajo

Varias medias de los samples individuales dele studio ese.

Fijaos bien en las etiquetas, no son medias provinciales, son samples para aislar el componente vasco y relacionarlo pcon la variedad del euskera hablado en cada zona.

Nótese el matiz, Vizcaya occidental (Encartaciones etc) viene como "Spanish_Biscay", mientras que el resto viene como "Basque_Spanish_Biscay". Osea, que les den a los de las Encartaciones y vecinos. Aunque tengan 15 generaciones nativas, no son son lo suficientemente vascos.

Los samples alaveses son de Aramayona, la única zona tradicionalmente vascoparlante alavesa, que tiene 1500 habitantes. Al resto, que les zurzan, tampoco son vascos el 99% de los alaveses que no sean de allá auqnue tengan 15 generaciones nativas de Álava.

Los samples navarros son solo de 2 zonas vascoparlantes que englobarán cosa del 9% de la población total de Navarra,más el valle del Roncal (que suerte tiene Erronkari, la mitad de los samples pueden ser familaires suyos) que fue vascoparlante hasta hace poco, y que como Aramayona, tiene cosa de 1500 habitantes. Al resto, igual que en Álava y Encartaciones, que les zurzan, que el 90% de los navarros no son vascos.

Así que eso, tenemos más referencias para discriminar de nuevo el componente vasco, pero no son referencias provinciales como tal.

Faltan la referencia nueva de La Rioja, y la del Norte de Aragón, las haré mañana.

Habrá que repasarlas todas.

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Basque_Spanish_Gipuzkoa:(Central)_average,0.131,0.148452,0.053894,0.011188,0.055199,0.001268,-0.003995,0.000545,0.029768,0.041566,-0.005462,0.01169,-0.020637,-0.017741,0.015953,0.005846,-0.003023,0.001405,-0.000926,-0.00515,0.005615,-0.001259,-0.010409,-0.010363,0.001404
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Quien paga manda

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Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0

Quien paga manda

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La próxima vez que vea un espacio en blanco, uno solo, en unas coordenadas, ni me molesto en hacer medias, no veas tú que dolor de cabeza.:picard1:

Algún gabacho se queja de que hasta las que no vienen etiquetadas como vascas, son también muy vascas, y tienen bastante razón.

Se las pasé ayer a Erronkari, a ver si funcionan especialmente bien las del Roncal, no me ha comentado nada aún.

Mi madre ya habrás visto, que puntúa más en cualquier cosa antes que en esa muestra "alavesa" de Aramayona.

Las postearon en el otro foro:

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Basque_French_Labourd,0.1317244,0.1515907,0.0590707,0.0119804,0.0576889,0.0008114,-0.002927,0.0038809,0.0336348,0.0419807,-0.0052258,0.0109811,-0.022583,-0.0170903,0.0165701,0.0012776,-0.0082142,0.0007485,-0.0003657,-0.0076286,0.0084055,-0.0010342,-0.0088738,-0.0080625,0.0034401
Basque_French_Lower_Navarre,0.1296547,0.1482672,0.0555396,0.0110407,0.0550309,0.0014452,-0.0011536,0.0010908,0.0303997,0.0442501,-0.005034,0.0117168,-0.0227585,-0.0160266,0.0172241,-9.65e-05,-0.0076688,0.0026374,-0.002434,-0.0018646,0.0064885,0.0024506,-0.0078541,-0.0095961,0.002863
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French_Landes_Chalosse,0.1287339,0.1477596,0.0518917,0.0111758,0.0513326,0.0027611,0.00047,0.0017769,0.0252587,0.0396544,-0.0026958,0.008947,-0.0203367,-0.0150834,0.0110884,0.0028241,-0.0054241,0.0016723,-0.0007794,-0.0022384,0.0082731,0.002844,-0.0076906,-0.0076635,-0.0020956
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Originally Posted by gixajo

La próxima vez que vea un espacio en blanco, uno solo, en unas coordenadas, ni me molesto en hacer medias, no veas tú que dolor de cabeza.:picard1:

Las postearon en el otro foro:

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Basque_French_Labourd,0.1317244,0.1515907,0.0590707,0.0119804,0.0576889,0.0008114,-0.002927,0.0038809,0.0336348,0.0419807,-0.0052258,0.0109811,-0.022583,-0.0170903,0.0165701,0.0012776,-0.0082142,0.0007485,-0.0003657,-0.0076286,0.0084055,-0.0010342,-0.0088738,-0.0080625,0.0034401
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Te pegas unos currazos... Parece q erronkari está activo, a ver si ve este hilo

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Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0

Te pegas unos currazos... Parece q erronkari está activo, a ver si ve este hilo

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Además para nada, esas las posteó otra persona, a mí aún me faltaban las tres últimas vasco-francesas y repasar las primeras, que como se me pasaron varios espacios en blanco, no me daban los % totalmente exactos en las comprobaciones. Si todo hubiera estado bien, se hacen rápido y no hay que repasar gran cosa.

Hice un modelo con las nuevas referencias, más las antiguas con poblaciones similares, y metí Andalucía para probarlas con mis padres y conmigo, las que tienen un "2" son las referencias que había de igual nombre en el datasheet.

Spoiler!

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Basque_French_Lower_Navarre,0.1296547,0.1482672,0.0555396,0.0110407,0.0550309,0.0014452,-0.0011536,0.0010908,0.0303997,0.0442501,-0.005034,0.0117168,-0.0227585,-0.0160266,0.0172241,-9.65e-05,-0.0076688,0.0026374,-0.002434,-0.0018646,0.0064885,0.0024506,-0.0078541,-0.0095961,0.002863
Basque_French_Soule,0.1317243,0.1548219,0.0546482,0.0068124,0.0585285,0.0009128,-0.0019014,0.0012166,0.0309945,0.0432396,-0.0059936,0.0119895,-0.0227449,-0.0167275,0.0124615,-0.0010968,-0.0097314,0.0009675,-4e-04,-0.0032402,0.0092336,0.0020908,-0.0076526,-0.0095193,0.0025909
Basque_Spanish_Alava,0.1275854,0.1485442,0.0590365,0.0157976,0.0537723,0.0043864,-0.0024142,0.0040906,0.0254166,0.0380211,-0.0069532,0.0096325,-0.0220693,-0.0149507,0.0158915,-0.0007835,-0.007337,6.91e-05,0.0003998,-0.004036,0.0089726,0.0019447,-0.0048067,-0.006244,-0.0004463
Basque_Spanish_Biscay,0.1301722,0.1502985,0.0571167,0.0107177,0.0564578,0.0059581,-0.0008973,0.0009441,0.0267555,0.0419806,-0.0075289,0.0147005,-0.0246371,-0.017428,0.0157435,0.0008197,-0.0047056,0.0027871,0.0003085,-0.0022169,0.0100503,0.001675,-0.0068122,-0.0088072,-0.0002177
Basque_Spanish_Gipuzkoa_Central,0.1309999,0.1484519,0.0538941,0.0111875,0.055199,0.0012676,-0.003995,0.0005454,0.0297675,0.0415664,-0.0054623,0.0126024,-0.0206367,-0.0177406,0.0159533,0.0058461,-0.0030225,0.0014051,-0.0006855,-0.0051503,0.005615,-0.001259,-0.0104089,-0.0103627,0.0014043
Basque_Spanish_Gipuzkoa_Southwest,0.131207,0.1493751,0.0579394,0.012274,0.05657,0.0019015,-0.0023714,0.0006712,0.0268855,0.0422788,-0.0058606,0.0100411,-0.0223531,-0.0195175,0.0152994,0.0049662,-0.0026907,0.0025337,-0.0018054,-0.001171,0.0102433,0.0023606,-0.010465,-0.0099685,0.0019158
Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Central-West,0.1272748,0.1485443,0.0532426,0.0056085,0.0516178,0.0005325,-0.0035252,-0.0014895,0.0278152,0.0418315,-0.0034398,0.0098775,-0.0210964,-0.0188043,0.0148182,0.0009764,-0.0041725,0.0023035,-0.004948,-0.0005002,0.0070785,0.0003934,-0.0062744,-0.0079746,2.17e-05
Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Northwest,0.1295514,0.1497444,0.0564655,0.0105415,0.0575771,0.0006085,-0.0006195,0.0020768,0.0302136,0.0448301,-0.0060674,0.0120848,-0.0243263,-0.0192421,0.0141517,0.0025795,-0.0034966,0.0037662,-0.002057,-0.00274,0.0100505,0.002192,-0.0093445,-0.0109215,0.0025474
Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Roncal,0.1311035,0.1488211,0.0549566,0.0122153,0.0545555,0.0015973,-0.00141,0.0009441,0.0336347,0.0403903,-0.006835,0.0101227,-0.0204747,-0.0169525,0.0158052,0.0007955,-0.003864,0.0037202,0.0002169,-0.0012505,0.0084623,0.0013375,-0.0054899,-0.0087085,0.0014369
French_Hautes-Pyrenees_Bigorre,0.1280511,0.1473535,0.052269,0.0053295,0.0522249,-0.0008365,-0.0016685,0.0001617,0.0248088,0.0382695,-0.0030854,0.007883,-0.0214815,-0.0141476,0.0087403,0.0001856,-0.0035596,0.0023691,-0.0008926,-0.0029139,0.0025082,-0.0008902,-0.0032908,-0.0059043,0.0010298
French_Landes_Chalosse,0.1287339,0.1477596,0.0518917,0.0111758,0.0513326,0.0027611,0.00047,0.0017769,0.0252587,0.0396544,-0.0026958,0.008947,-0.0203367,-0.0150834,0.0110884,0.0028241,-0.0054241,0.0016723,-0.0007794,-0.0022384,0.0082731,0.002844,-0.0076906,-0.0076635,-0.0020956
French_Pyrenees-Atlantiques_Bearn,0.1267991,0.1448145,0.0535889,0.0060078,0.0539486,0.0021754,-0.001692,-0.0020537,0.024461,0.0398913,-0.0088665,0.0102359,-0.0189989,-0.0143265,0.0141693,0.001578,-0.0057238,-0.0008996,-0.0017346,-0.0033017,0.0054653,0.0031407,-0.0066429,-0.0081696,0.0006825
Spanish_Aragon_North,0.1273681,0.1477595,0.0490634,0.0057171,0.0498553,0.0010876,-0.000141,-0.0005538,0.0255859,0.0364654,-0.004417,0.0096965,-0.0186272,-0.0150697,0.0143594,0.004296,-0.003038,0.0026858,-0.0031172,-0.0011756,0.004517,0.0005194,-0.0056325,-0.0052896,0.0009341
Spanish_Biscay_West,0.1203111,0.1493845,0.0496292,0.0097546,0.049086,0.0011714,-0.001927,0.0035996,0.0265268,0.0348616,-0.0055049,0.0108953,-0.0192517,-0.0162946,0.010464,0.0013788,-0.0057631,0.001837,-0.002313,-0.0017634,0.0071,-0.0004698,-0.0056324,-0.004133,0.0019878
Spanish_Cantabria,0.1151889,0.145627,0.0434443,-0.0006783,0.0469933,-0.0032352,-0.000282,0.0023538,0.0254837,0.0319278,-0.0050178,0.0083326,-0.0150593,-0.0134595,0.0104641,0.0009016,-0.001747,-0.0021917,-0.0029664,-0.0026262,0.0035062,-0.0024732,-0.0041165,-0.0047958,-0.000982
Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_Burgos_North,0.1236117,0.1476578,0.0497421,0.0020672,0.0495476,-0.0034583,-0.000611,0.000877,0.0240111,0.0378322,-0.0068692,0.0086174,-0.0189989,-0.0126612,0.0114276,0.0019225,-0.0059585,-0.0001141,-0.0034943,-0.0038143,0.0077986,0.0006554,-0.0041904,-0.0021207,-0.0007785
Spanish_La_Rioja,0.121563,0.149689,0.0449904,0.0016796,0.0474856,-0.0027888,-0.002256,0.001823,0.0247064,0.0370667,-0.001234,0.0084523,-0.0194001,-0.0137622,0.0100977,0.000623,-0.0019949,0.0008615,-0.0038338,-0.0004753,0.0052783,-0.0009521,-0.0063472,-0.0061093,0.0006346
Spanish_La_Rioja2,0.121791,0.152329,0.046763,-0.008398,0.053856,-0.010598,-0.00188,0.002308,0.027611,0.038816,-0.005359,0.005695,-0.016947,-0.014863,0.00665,0.013657,0.010561,-0.002407,-0.000628,5e-04,0.012977,0.002349,-0.002218,-0.009399,0.000838
Spanish_Andalucia,0.1081318,0.1460759,0.0357074,-0.003434,0.0452553,-0.0058567,-0.0019295,0.0026598,0.0247151,0.0311624,-0.0021538,0.0072724,-0.0132072,-0.0114083,0.0102433,-0.0024984,-0.0061762,-0.0011002,-0.0042604,-0.0021325,0.0029291,-0.0013016,-0.0019719,-0.0053334,0.0018844
Spanish_Aragon2,0.1195142,0.14649,0.041389,-0.000323,0.0468548,-0.0001395,-0.0005287,0.002942,0.0249008,0.036903,-0.0021518,0.0103035,-0.0176535,-0.0128335,0.0127578,-0.0027845,-0.0047592,-0.0007918,-0.0022312,0.0010005,0.0034625,9.28e-05,-0.0011708,-0.0010545,-0.0002395
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon2,0.1077523,0.1438667,0.0404773,-0.0021533,0.0438027,0.0018593,-0.0017233,0.004615,0.0284287,0.0292183,-0.0023277,0.007843,-0.012091,-0.012019,0.01226,-0.006541,-0.0067797,-0.0017313,-0.004525,-0.0022927,0.000291,-0.0009067,0.0013147,-0.0025703,-0.002754
Spanish_Navarra2,0.1195143,0.1462363,0.044249,-0.0007537,0.048727,-0.0012083,-0.0032117,-0.0014613,0.024952,0.038695,-0.0049797,0.0114897,-0.0152627,-0.0170197,0.0156533,0.0028287,-0.0087357,0.0010977,-0.002472,-0.0025427,0.0046583,0.0025553,-0.0069427,4.03e-05,0.0047503
Spanish_Pais_Vasco,0.128241,0.1516523,0.0563163,0.008075,0.052112,0.0024173,0.000235,0.002923,0.0277467,0.039849,-0.0059003,0.0093417,-0.02106,-0.012065,0.0184127,-0.002475,-0.0123433,0.0028713,0.0022207,-0.0065867,0.0077363,-0.002432,-0.006532,-0.006748,0.003672
Spanish_Cantabria2,0.119514,0.14759,0.0443743,0.0059217,0.046778,-0.0059497,-0.0005483,0.001923,0.0235883,0.0347463,-0.0056293,0.0086423,-0.018632,-0.0168817,0.009093,0.001635,-0.0035203,0.0012667,-0.0054047,-0.004794,0.002787,0.000742,-0.0059567,-0.0017673,0.0006783
Basque_French,0.128051,0.1520246,0.0551727,0.0128231,0.0564104,0.0025099,-0.00141,0.0033229,0.0305968,0.0412036,-0.0092724,0.0103408,-0.0209761,-0.0140237,0.0132192,-0.0019359,-0.0119173,0.0030278,-0.0007165,-0.0044144,0.010157,0.0024855,-0.0086397,-0.0091698,7.18e-05
Basque_Spanish,0.1319083,0.1504111,0.0582862,0.0090081,0.0575834,0.0001239,-0.0033162,0.0004102,0.0313603,0.0455997,-0.0045288,0.0116063,-0.0227781,-0.0187627,0.0179452,0.0037271,-0.0058094,0.0027731,-0.0018156,-6.96e-05,0.0087901,0.0024868,-0.0068883,-0.0090371,0.0022619

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Spoiler!

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.4609% / 0.01460888
51.4 Spanish_Aragon_North
18.8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon2
16.6 Spanish_Andalucia
13.2 Spanish_Aragon2

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.0248% / 0.02024751
75.2 Spanish_Andalucia
16.2 Spanish_Cantabria2
8.6 Spanish_Aragon2

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.7923% / 0.01792276
38.8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon2
36.0 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
14.8 Basque_French
8.4 Spanish_Cantabria2
2.0 Basque_Spanish_Alava

Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.01658208 Spanish_Aragon2
0.01738423 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.01740050 Spanish_Cantabria
0.01886758 Spanish_Cantabria2
0.01934576 Spanish_Aragon_North
0.02038187 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_Burgos_North
0.02214144 Spanish_Biscay_West
0.02231857 Spanish_Navarra2
0.02332999 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02337888 French_Hautes-Pyrenees_Bigorre
0.02394533 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon2
0.02484450 French_Pyrenees-Atlantiques_Bearn
0.02512727 French_Landes_Chalosse
0.02560400 Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Central-West
0.03043571 Basque_French_Lower_Navarre
0.03046788 Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Roncal
0.03065155 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.03082581 Basque_Spanish_Gipuzkoa_Central
0.03178222 Basque_Spanish_Alava
0.03211235 Basque_French
0.03360985 Basque_French_Soule
0.03370579 Basque_Spanish_Biscay
0.03427912 Basque_Spanish_Gipuzkoa_Southwest
0.03449756 Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Northwest
0.03475637 Basque_Spanish

Distance to: gixajo_dad_scaled
0.02079128 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02415721 Spanish_Cantabria
0.02466230 Spanish_Aragon2
0.02475863 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon2
0.02636901 Spanish_Cantabria2
0.02671615 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.02882555 Spanish_Navarra2
0.03175310 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_Burgos_North
0.03408622 Spanish_Biscay_West
0.03451140 Spanish_Aragon_North
0.03454534 French_Hautes-Pyrenees_Bigorre
0.03835258 Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Central-West
0.03901043 French_Pyrenees-Atlantiques_Bearn
0.04025831 Spanish_La_Rioja2
0.04030398 French_Landes_Chalosse
0.04361716 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.04459187 Basque_French_Lower_Navarre
0.04472060 Basque_Spanish_Gipuzkoa_Central
0.04559721 Basque_French_Soule
0.04575903 Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Roncal
0.04608063 Basque_French
0.04706402 Basque_Spanish_Alava
0.04754643 Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Northwest
0.04814790 Basque_Spanish_Biscay
0.04821327 Basque_Spanish

Distance to: gixajo_mom_scaled
0.02133437 Spanish_Biscay_West
0.02398425 Spanish_Cantabria2
0.02423990 Spanish_Aragon2
0.02449361 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.02449660 Spanish_Navarra2
0.02467672 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_Burgos_North
0.02478036 Spanish_Aragon_North
0.02480669 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.02579181 French_Landes_Chalosse
0.02648983 French_Hautes-Pyrenees_Bigorre
0.02688172 French_Pyrenees-Atlantiques_Bearn
0.02698416 Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Central-West
0.02700903 Basque_Spanish_Alava
0.02710883 Basque_French
0.02712119 Spanish_Cantabria
0.02827967 Basque_French_Lower_Navarre
0.02844711 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon2
0.02987111 Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Roncal
0.03069131 Spanish_Andalucia
0.03154682 Basque_French_Soule
0.03237765 Basque_Spanish_Gipuzkoa_Central
0.03243373 Basque_French_Labourd
0.03252318 Basque_Spanish_Biscay
0.03338485 Basque_Spanish_Gipuzkoa_Southwest
0.03357500 Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Northwest

Sin embargo si uso la muestra alavesa nueva solo con Andalucía en un modelo para los tres, salgo yo casi más alavés que mi madre, aunque ella está a bastante menos distancia que yo de esa referencia.:D

Lo bueno es que con estas nuevas, podré jugar a hacer mis mezclas de referencias durante un tiempecillo.

Me encantaría que estuviera Gaska para ver como le irían las referencias del Norte de Burgos y la alavesa más vasca que las guipuzcoanas.

Encima la pondrán como Álava en el datasheet...:picard1:

Iré probando por mi cuenta, no molesto más con mis modelos absurdos.

La verdad es que yo agradezco mucho estas referencias, estaba harto de plotear en cataluña.

Distance to: Dad_scaled
0.01935598 Spanish_Cantabria
0.01964799 Spanish_Aragon2
0.02211952 Spanish_Cantabria2
0.02296685 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.02401908 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02414584 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_Burgos_North
0.02453450 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon2
0.02592443 Spanish_Biscay_West
0.02700549 Spanish_Navarra2
0.02710962 Spanish_Aragon_North
0.02904385 French_Hautes-Pyrenees_Bigorre
0.03061692 French_Pyrenees-Atlantiques_Bearn
0.03201065 French_Landes_Chalosse
0.03305928 Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Central-West
0.03604703 Spanish_La_Rioja2
0.03633699 Basque_Spanish_Alava
0.03810614 Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Roncal
0.03839783 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.03948795 Basque_Spanish_Gipuzkoa_Central
0.03949679 Basque_French_Lower_Navarre
0.03970598 Basque_Spanish_Biscay
0.04008623 Basque_French
0.04101026 Basque_Spanish_Gipuzkoa_Southwest
0.04189292 Basque_French_Soule
0.04198129 Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Northwest


Target: Dad_scaled
Distance: 1.8484% / 0.01848397
46.0 Spanish_Cantabria
43.0 Spanish_Aragon2
6.4 Spanish_Cantabria2
4.6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon2


Distance to: Mom_scaled
0.02345862 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon2
0.02385365 Spanish_Andalucia
0.03006446 Spanish_Cantabria
0.03230261 Spanish_Aragon2
0.03485340 Spanish_Navarra2
0.03580130 Spanish_Cantabria2
0.03714168 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.03871111 Spanish_Biscay_West
0.03975887 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_Burgos_North
0.04236460 Spanish_Aragon_North
0.04357384 French_Hautes-Pyrenees_Bigorre
0.04495435 French_Pyrenees-Atlantiques_Bearn
0.04599296 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.04725558 Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Central-West
0.04835302 French_Landes_Chalosse
0.04999507 Basque_Spanish_Alava
0.05129160 Basque_French
0.05139104 Basque_French_Lower_Navarre
0.05227748 Basque_Spanish_Gipuzkoa_Central
0.05229242 Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Roncal
0.05279131 Spanish_La_Rioja2
0.05354911 Basque_French_Soule
0.05451851 Basque_Spanish_Biscay
0.05465227 Basque_French_Labourd
0.05552025 Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Northwest


Target: Mom_scaled
Distance: 2.2660% / 0.02265992
55.2 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon2
44.8 Spanish_Andalucia



Distance to: Xabier_scaled
0.02906560 Spanish_Cantabria
0.03004560 Spanish_Aragon2
0.03164052 Spanish_Cantabria2
0.03220984 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon2
0.03284018 Spanish_Andalucia
0.03451864 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.03553460 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_Burgos_North
0.03587567 Spanish_Navarra2
0.03617527 Spanish_Biscay_West
0.03718780 Spanish_Aragon_North
0.03861158 French_Hautes-Pyrenees_Bigorre
0.04098999 French_Pyrenees-Atlantiques_Bearn
0.04303326 French_Landes_Chalosse
0.04324577 Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Central-West
0.04393070 Spanish_La_Rioja2
0.04537933 Basque_Spanish_Alava
0.04787155 Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Roncal
0.04787486 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.04845011 Basque_Spanish_Gipuzkoa_Central
0.04904335 Basque_French_Lower_Navarre
0.04966218 Basque_Spanish_Biscay
0.05009630 Basque_Spanish_Gipuzkoa_Southwest
0.05146917 Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Northwest
0.05172973 Basque_French
0.05226111 Basque_Spanish

Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 2.8754% / 0.02875446
59.4 Spanish_Cantabria
26.2 Spanish_Aragon2
12.2 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon2
2.2 Spanish_Cantabria2

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0

La verdad es que yo agradezco mucho estas referencias, estaba harto de plotear en cataluña.

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Yo usaría solo la catalana general, la valenciana general y la de las Baleares general.

Y estoy por hacer una referencia de la media total de las referencias etiquetadas como "Basque_Spanish_Biscay"+ "Spanish_Biscay_West" como referencia vizcaína general.:)

Seguro que representa bastante mejor a la población vizcaína que la referencia de los 11 individuos de Amoroto.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0

Te pegas unos currazos... Parece q erronkari está activo, a ver si ve este hilo

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Aquí reportándome!!! :D
Pido disculpas por la demora.
En ambos modelos pareciera que Navarra me queda relativamente "cerca", a pesar de eso por ahi se cuela un poco el norte de Aragón y también La Rioja. Un poquito de Cantabria por último. ;)

Distance to: MrWog_scaled
0.04047683 Spanish_Aragon_North
0.04081356 Spanish_Navarra2
0.04093712 Spanish_Cantabria2
0.04109134 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.04140248 Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Central-West
0.04180829 French_Pyrenees-Atlantiques_Bearn
0.04211065 Spanish_Cantabria
0.04258421 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_Burgos_North
0.04384811 French_Hautes-Pyrenees_Bigorre
0.04385015 Spanish_Biscay_West
0.04396731 French_Landes_Chalosse
0.04399089 Spanish_Aragon2
0.04403755 Spanish_La_Rioja2
0.04448663 Basque_Spanish_Gipuzkoa_Central
0.04551016 Basque_Spanish_Gipuzkoa_Southwest
0.04764600 Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Roncal
0.04781684 Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Northwest
0.04791591 Spanish_Andalucia
0.04838098 Basque_French_Lower_Navarre
0.04876557 Basque_Spanish_Biscay
0.04882305 Basque_Spanish
0.05013816 Basque_Spanish_Alava
0.05114665 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon2
0.05376524 Basque_French_Soule
0.05377868 Basque_French


Target: MrWog_scaled
Distance: 0.0386% / 0.03855794
30.3 Spanish_La_Rioja2
30.3 Spanish_Navarra2
16.0 Basque_Spanish_Navarra_Central-West
14.5 Spanish_Cantabria2
8.9 French_Pyrenees-Atlantiques_Bearn

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Erronkari

Aquí reportándome!!! :D
Pido disculpas por la demora.
En ambos modelos pareciera que Navarra me queda relativamente "cerca", a pesar de eso por ahi se cuela un poco el norte de Aragón y también La Rioja. Un poquito de Cantabria por último. ;)

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No están mal, sales bastante navarro.

Digamos que todas las referencias o son vascas, o son pseudo-vascas de zonas vecinas, así que puedes puntuar en cualquiera de ellas.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by gixajo

No están mal, sales bastante navarro.

Digamos que todas las referencias o son vascas, o son pseudo-vascas de zonas vecinas, así que puedes puntuar en cualquiera de ellas.

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Estaba pensando que también es posible que la otra parte, la de Luzaide/Valcarlos me aleje un poquito del Valle del Roncal/Erronkari, porque a pesar de estar ambos casi sobre el Pirineo, el primero está en el extremo oriental casi pegando con Aragón, en cambio Luzaide se encuentra muy al Poniente, en el extremo opuesto.
Por lo visto saqué muy poco de vasco-francés aunque tiene sentido, ya que aunque hay una parte que viene de Mont de Marsan, los apellidos que vienen de ese lado, Foix y Cazenave no parecen muy vascones que digamos jeje.
Si bien los apellidos no siempre dicen mucho... vaya uno a saber.
Por cierto, hay un apellido que es Orzaocoa y no puedo vislumbrar de donde es que viene... tal vez sea la deformación de otro pero saber...

A mi no me son muy útiles pero bueno:

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 2.8900% / 0.02890009
74.6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon2
25.4 Spanish_Andalucia

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Erronkari

Estaba pensando que también es posible que la otra parte, la de Luzaide/Valcarlos me aleje un poquito del Valle del Roncal/Erronkari, porque a pesar de estar ambos casi sobre el Pirineo, el primero está en el extremo oriental casi pegando con Aragón, en cambio Luzaide se encuentra muy al Poniente, en el extremo opuesto.
Por lo visto saqué muy poco de vasco-francés aunque tiene sentido, ya que aunque hay una parte que viene de Mont de Marsan, los apellidos que vienen de ese lado, Foix y Cazenave no parecen muy vascones que digamos jeje.
Si bien los apellidos no siempre dicen mucho... vaya uno a saber.
Por cierto, hay un apellido que es Orzaocoa y no puedo vislumbrar de donde es que viene... tal vez sea la deformación de otro pero saber...

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He hecho unos proxies provinciales de las tres provincias vascas, y estoy pensando hacer lo mismo con Navarra (un proxie provincial realista), por ahora posteo los proxies provinciales de las provincias vascas.

Y como es una gozada hacer medias cuando no hay espacios en blanco entre sus coordenadas(...), he hecho tres proxies provinciales del País Vasco para jugar con las nuevas muestras para mis padres y para mí y me he hecho un modelito chachi piruli que mola cantidubi.

Los proxies serían estos:

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Vizcaya,0.12524,0.14984,0.05337,0.01024,0.05277,0.00356,-0.00141,0.00227,0.02664,0.03842,-0.00652,0.01280,-0.02194,-0.01686,0.01310,0.00110,-0.00523,0.00231,-0.00100,-0.00199,0.00858,0.00060,-0.00622,-0.00647,0.00089
Álava,0.125599,0.148101,0.054389,0.008932,0.051660,0.000464,-0.001513,0.002484,0.024714,0.037927,-0.006911,0.009125,-0.020534,-0.013806,0.013660,0.000570,-0.006648,-0.000023,-0.001547,-0.003925,0.008386,0.001300,-0.004499,-0.004182,-0.000612
Guipúzcoa,0.131103,0.148914,0.055917,0.011731,0.055885,0.001585,-0.003183,0.000608,0.028327,0.041923,-0.005661,0.011322,-0.021495,-0.018629,0.015626,0.005406,-0.002857,0.001969,-0.001245,-0.003161,0.007929,0.000551,-0.010437,-0.010166,0.001660

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Vizcaya=WestBiscay+BasqueBiscay
Álava=NorthBurgos+BasqueAlava
Guipúzcoa=Gipuzkoacentral+SoutWestGipuzkoa

Y el modelito es evidente cual iba a ser:

Spoiler!

Code:

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Álava,0.125599,0.148101,0.054389,0.008932,0.051660,0.000464,-0.001513,0.002484,0.024714,0.037927,-0.006911,0.009125,-0.020534,-0.013806,0.013660,0.000570,-0.006648,-0.000023,-0.001547,-0.003925,0.008386,0.001300,-0.004499,-0.004182,-0.000612
Andalucia,0.1081318,0.1460759,0.0357074,-0.003434,0.0452553,-0.0058567,-0.0019295,0.0026598,0.0247151,0.0311624,-0.0021538,0.0072724,-0.0132072,-0.0114083,0.0102433,-0.0024984,-0.0061762,-0.0011002,-0.0042604,-0.0021325,0.0029291,-0.0013016,-0.0019719,-0.0053334,0.0018844

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Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.7110% / 0.01711049
52.4 Andalucia
47.6 Álava

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.0781% / 0.02078053
98.0 Andalucia
2.0 Álava

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.0299% / 0.02029856
74.0 Álava
26.0 Andalucia

No está tan mal...

https://i.imgur.com/6cucyzQ.png

Target: Vizcaya:
Distance: 3.3992% / 0.03399212
55.0 Early_European_Farmer
27.2 Steppe_Pastoralist
17.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer

Target: Álava
Distance: 3.2797% / 0.03279686
55.0 Early_European_Farmer
28.2 Steppe_Pastoralist
16.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
0.2 Iberomaurusian

Target: Guipúzcoa
Distance: 3.6815% / 0.03681480
55.2 Early_European_Farmer
26.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
18.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer


Hecho con estas sources del datasheet oficial (el modelo para probar los proxies, no los proxies):

Spoiler!

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Castilla_Y_Leon,0.1077523,0.1438667,0.0404773,-0.0021533,0.0438027,0.0018593,-0.0017233,0.004615,0.0284287,0.0292183,-0.0023277,0.007843,-0.012091,-0.012019,0.01226,-0.006541,-0.0067797,-0.0017313,-0.004525,-0.0022927,0.000291,-0.0009067,0.0013147,-0.0025703,-0.002754
Basque:_French,0.128051,0.1520246,0.0551727,0.0128231,0.0564104,0.0025099,-0.00141,0.0033229,0.0305968,0.0412036,-0.0092724,0.0103408,-0.0209761,-0.0140237,0.0132192,-0.0019359,-0.0119173,0.0030278,-0.0007165,-0.0044144,0.010157,0.0024855,-0.0086397,-0.0091698,7.18e-05
Basque:_Spanish,0.1319083,0.1504111,0.0582862,0.0090081,0.0575834,0.0001239,-0.0033162,0.0004102,0.0313603,0.0455997,-0.0045288,0.0116063,-0.0227781,-0.0187627,0.0179452,0.0037271,-0.0058094,0.0027731,-0.0018156,-6.96e-05,0.0087901,0.0024868,-0.0068883,-0.0090371,0.0022619

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Quote:

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Originally Posted by Erronkari

Estaba pensando que también es posible que la otra parte, la de Luzaide/Valcarlos me aleje un poquito del Valle del Roncal/Erronkari, porque a pesar de estar ambos casi sobre el Pirineo, el primero está en el extremo oriental casi pegando con Aragón, en cambio Luzaide se encuentra muy al Poniente, en el extremo opuesto.
Por lo visto saqué muy poco de vasco-francés aunque tiene sentido, ya que aunque hay una parte que viene de Mont de Marsan, los apellidos que vienen de ese lado, Foix y Cazenave no parecen muy vascones que digamos jeje.
Si bien los apellidos no siempre dicen mucho... vaya uno a saber.
Por cierto, hay un apellido que es Orzaocoa y no puedo vislumbrar de donde es que viene... tal vez sea la deformación de otro pero saber...

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Pocas veces nos va a salir 100% del lugar de donde suponemos que nos debería dar, tu tendencia está clara que es de donde se supone que es.

Acabo de hacer este "proxy" con la media de zonas vascas de Navarra, la referencia Navarra del datasheet oficial, y la referencia vascoide del Norte de Aragón, a ver si te va bien:

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Navarra,0.125397,0.147678,0.049400,0.004806,0.051055,0.000264,-0.001735,-0.000502,0.027031,0.039170,-0.004948,0.010627,-0.018619,-0.016807,0.014979,0.002858,-0.005206,0.002349,-0.002617,-0.001738,0.005902,0.001461,-0.006537,-0.004817,0.00234

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Es muy norteña en comparación con la del datasheet oficial, pero creo que es más acertada , y menos norteña que las referencias del estudio, pero creo que será más representativa de la realidad Navarra que las referencias exclusivamente de zonas vascófonas tradicionales de ese estudio.

Soy navarro:

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 4.6663% / 0.04666343
94.6 Navarra
5.4 Álava

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Defcon2

Soy navarro:

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Si metes Bellotiland en las sources digo yo que ese 94% debería bajar bastante.

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Extremadura,0.1050967,0.1499597,0.033061,-0.0011843,0.0409303,-0.0027887,-0.003995,-0.0010003,0.024679,0.031223,-0.0012993,0.0050453,-0.0106047,-0.012248,0.007555,0.0026077,-0.002347,-0.003294,-0.0064107,0.000417,0.0021213,-0.00474,-0.0014787,-0.0027713,0.0014373

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Si meto Navarra y las tres provincias vascas en las sources, a mí me modela en buena parte como navarrico también, porque soy un mestizo difícil de precisar mi origen por medio de estas referencias de forma precisa, pero para mis padres siguen funcionando relativamente bien, mi madre se queda exactamente igual en todo (aunque sale 1/4 andaluza le marca bien el alavés):

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Vizcaya,0.12524,0.14984,0.05337,0.01024,0.05277,0.00356,-0.00141,0.00227,0.02664,0.03842,-0.00652,0.01280,-0.02194,-0.01686,0.01310,0.00110,-0.00523,0.00231,-0.00100,-0.00199,0.00858,0.00060,-0.00622,-0.00647,0.00089
Álava,0.125599,0.148101,0.054389,0.008932,0.051660,0.000464,-0.001513,0.002484,0.024714,0.037927,-0.006911,0.009125,-0.020534,-0.013806,0.013660,0.000570,-0.006648,-0.000023,-0.001547,-0.003925,0.008386,0.001300,-0.004499,-0.004182,-0.000612
Guipúzcoa,0.131103,0.148914,0.055917,0.011731,0.055885,0.001585,-0.003183,0.000608,0.028327,0.041923,-0.005661,0.011322,-0.021495,-0.018629,0.015626,0.005406,-0.002857,0.001969,-0.001245,-0.003161,0.007929,0.000551,-0.010437,-0.010166,0.001660
Andalucia,0.1081318,0.1460759,0.0357074,-0.003434,0.0452553,-0.0058567,-0.0019295,0.0026598,0.0247151,0.0311624,-0.0021538,0.0072724,-0.0132072,-0.0114083,0.0102433,-0.0024984,-0.0061762,-0.0011002,-0.0042604,-0.0021325,0.0029291,-0.0013016,-0.0019719,-0.0053334,0.0018844
Navarra,0.125397,0.147678,0.049400,0.004806,0.051055,0.000264,-0.001735,-0.000502,0.027031,0.039170,-0.004948,0.010627,-0.018619,-0.016807,0.014979,0.002858,-0.005206,0.002349,-0.002617,-0.001738,0.005902,0.001461,-0.006537,-0.004817,0.00234

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Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6655% / 0.01665480
46.2 Andalucia
40.8 Navarra
13.0 Álava

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.0665% / 0.02066514
92.4 Andalucia
7.6 Navarra

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.0299% / 0.02029856
74.0 Álava
26.0 Andalucia

Nuestros resultados como Bellotiland en vez de Andalucía:

Spoiler!

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6751% / 0.01675051
39.4 Extremadura
38.4 Navarra
22.2 Álava

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.1159% / 0.02115869
77.4 Extremadura
22.6 Navarra

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.0793% / 0.02079343
81.0 Álava
19.0 Extremadura

Quote:

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Originally Posted by gixajo

Si metes Bellotiland en las sources digo yo que ese 94% debería bajar bastante.

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Extremadura,0.1050967,0.1499597,0.033061,-0.0011843,0.0409303,-0.0027887,-0.003995,-0.0010003,0.024679,0.031223,-0.0012993,0.0050453,-0.0106047,-0.012248,0.007555,0.0026077,-0.002347,-0.003294,-0.0064107,0.000417,0.0021213,-0.00474,-0.0014787,-0.0027713,0.0014373

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Si meto Navarra y las tres provincias vascas en las sources, a mí me modela en buena parte como navarrico también, porque soy un mestizo difícil de precisar mi origen por medio de estas referencias de forma precisa, pero para mis padres siguen funcionando relativamente bien, mi madre se queda exactamente igual en todo (aunque sale 1/4 andaluza le marca bien el alavés):

Code:

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Vizcaya,0.12524,0.14984,0.05337,0.01024,0.05277,0.00356,-0.00141,0.00227,0.02664,0.03842,-0.00652,0.01280,-0.02194,-0.01686,0.01310,0.00110,-0.00523,0.00231,-0.00100,-0.00199,0.00858,0.00060,-0.00622,-0.00647,0.00089
Álava,0.125599,0.148101,0.054389,0.008932,0.051660,0.000464,-0.001513,0.002484,0.024714,0.037927,-0.006911,0.009125,-0.020534,-0.013806,0.013660,0.000570,-0.006648,-0.000023,-0.001547,-0.003925,0.008386,0.001300,-0.004499,-0.004182,-0.000612
Guipúzcoa,0.131103,0.148914,0.055917,0.011731,0.055885,0.001585,-0.003183,0.000608,0.028327,0.041923,-0.005661,0.011322,-0.021495,-0.018629,0.015626,0.005406,-0.002857,0.001969,-0.001245,-0.003161,0.007929,0.000551,-0.010437,-0.010166,0.001660
Andalucia,0.1081318,0.1460759,0.0357074,-0.003434,0.0452553,-0.0058567,-0.0019295,0.0026598,0.0247151,0.0311624,-0.0021538,0.0072724,-0.0132072,-0.0114083,0.0102433,-0.0024984,-0.0061762,-0.0011002,-0.0042604,-0.0021325,0.0029291,-0.0013016,-0.0019719,-0.0053334,0.0018844
Navarra,0.125397,0.147678,0.049400,0.004806,0.051055,0.000264,-0.001735,-0.000502,0.027031,0.039170,-0.004948,0.010627,-0.018619,-0.016807,0.014979,0.002858,-0.005206,0.002349,-0.002617,-0.001738,0.005902,0.001461,-0.006537,-0.004817,0.00234

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Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6655% / 0.01665480
46.2 Andalucia
40.8 Navarra
13.0 Álava

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.0665% / 0.02066514
92.4 Andalucia
7.6 Navarra

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.0299% / 0.02029856
74.0 Álava
26.0 Andalucia

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Si, aunque me sucede algo curioso, con los belloteros me aparece Álava pero no con CyL ni los Mozárabes, creo que soy más norteño que la referencia extremeña del datasheet aunque lo achaco a la falta de suficientes muestras para representar mejor la variabilidad genética interna de la región de los embutidos.

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 3.2920% / 0.03291997
88.8 Extremadura
11.2 Álava

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 3.0607% / 0.03060658
100.0 Andalucia

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 2.9105% / 0.02910453
100.0 Castilla_Y_Leon

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Defcon2

Si, aunque me sucede algo curioso, con los belloteros me aparece Álava pero no con CyL ni los Mozárabes, creo que soy más norteño que la referencia extremeña del datasheet aunque lo achaco a la falta de suficientes muestras para representar mejor la variabilidad genética interna de la región de los embutidos.

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Seguro que hay variaciones importantes dentro de Extremadura, es una región bastante extensa.

De todas formas no nos quejemos muchos, que tenemos referencias españolas para dar y tomar, aunque siempre son mejorables.

Ahora que me doy cuenta, puedo hacer una megareferencia riojana con los samples individuales(o sample, porque igual solo hay uno) del datasheet oficial y los diez nuevos samples de este último estudio.

Una referencia riojana, a medio camino entre Cantabria y Aragón, que eran las dos referencias que mejor me iban en el antiguo datasheet, tiene que darme un porcentaje enrome en cualquier resultado.

Por cierto, no sé si te dije, que dejé de hacer las medias en tablas del procesador detextos y las hago ya en una hoja de cálculo del Apache, es copiar y pegar la lista de referencias, poner la fórmula,cambiar varias configuraciones, arrastrar fórmula, volver a cambiar configuraciones, etc y se tarda nada y puedes hacer medias del número que quieras de referencias en nada de tiempo.

Siempre y cuando las referencias no te las pasen con espacios en blanco, entonces cuando compruebes en vahaduo si están bien las distancias y los % te saldrán mal.

El método anterior era efectivo para percatarse de los fallos, así que en caso de que te pasen mal las referencias, viene bien .

Quote:

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Originally Posted by gixajo

Seguro que hay variaciones importantes dentro de Extremadura, es una región bastante extensa.

De todas formas no nos quejemos muchos, que tenemos referencias españolas para dar y tomar, aunque siempre son mejorables.

Ahora que me doy cuenta, puedo hacer una megareferencia riojana con los samples individuales(o sample, porque igual solo hay uno) del datasheet oficial y los diez nuevos samples de este último estudio.

Una referencia riojana, a medio camino entre Cantabria y Aragón, que eran las dos referencias que mejor me iban en el antiguo datasheet, tiene que darme un porcentaje enrome en cualquier resultado.

Por cierto, no sé si te dije, que dejé de hacer las medias en tablas del procesador detextos y las hago ya en una hoja de cálculo del Apache, es copiar y pegar la lista de referencias, poner la fórmula,cambiar varias configuraciones, arrastrar fórmula, volver a cambiar configuraciones, etc y se tarda nada y puedes hacer medias del número que quieras de referencias en nada de tiempo.

Siempre y cuando las referencias no te las pasen con espacios en blanco, entonces cuando compruebes en vahaduo si están bien las distancias y los % te saldrán mal.

El método anterior era efectivo para percatarse de los fallos, así que en caso de que te pasen mal las referencias, viene bien .

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Lo que hago es copiar y pegar las coordenadas desde un bloc de notas o Vahaduo directamente separándolos por comas, cambiar el número de división de la fórmula para hacer la media según la cantidad de samples y para finalizar reemplazar manualmente los espacios del average por comas ya en Vahaduo, esto último es lo mas tedioso, si pudiese hacerlo de otra manera sería perfecto... pero me da pereza cambiar el método.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by gixajo

Seguro que hay variaciones importantes dentro de Extremadura, es una región bastante extensa.

De todas formas no nos quejemos muchos, que tenemos referencias españolas para dar y tomar, aunque siempre son mejorables.

Ahora que me doy cuenta, puedo hacer una megareferencia riojana con los samples individuales(o sample, porque igual solo hay uno) del datasheet oficial y los diez nuevos samples de este último estudio.

Una referencia riojana, a medio camino entre Cantabria y Aragón, que eran las dos referencias que mejor me iban en el antiguo datasheet, tiene que darme un porcentaje enrome en cualquier resultado.

Por cierto, no sé si te dije, que dejé de hacer las medias en tablas del procesador detextos y las hago ya en una hoja de cálculo del Apache, es copiar y pegar la lista de referencias, poner la fórmula,cambiar varias configuraciones, arrastrar fórmula, volver a cambiar configuraciones, etc y se tarda nada y puedes hacer medias del número que quieras de referencias en nada de tiempo.

Siempre y cuando las referencias no te las pasen con espacios en blanco, entonces cuando compruebes en vahaduo si están bien las distancias y los % te saldrán mal.

El método anterior era efectivo para percatarse de los fallos, así que en caso de que te pasen mal las referencias, viene bien .

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Probaste esto?

https://phenotype.yseq.net/

YSEQ casi acierta mi fenotipo:

https://i.imgur.com/dPjcqIb.png


Tu que eres vasco sin apenas influencia moruna y subsahariana seguro que sacas piel blanca.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Defcon2

Probaste esto?



YSEQ casi acierta mi fenotipo:




Tu que eres vasco sin apenas influencia moruna y subsahariana seguro que sacas piel blanca.

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No te burles de mí!!! Sabes perfectamente que soy medio andaluz, y que hasta mi lado alavés tiene moruno!!!:D

Aparte de que incluso los supervascos con 0% Canarian Guanche pueden ser tan oscuros como el mondongo de un senegalés.

No lo había probado, ahora le echo un vistazo.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by gixajo

No te burles de mí!!! Sabes perfectamente que soy medio andaluz, y que hasta mi lado alavés tiene moruno!!!:D

Aparte de que incluso los supervascos con 0% Canarian Guanche pueden ser tan oscuros como el mondongo de un senegalés.

No lo había probado, ahora le echo un vistazo.

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Joder pero los alaveses muy poco, el resto somos mitad ibéricos + NA + Romano completamente, tu solo la parte paterna. :D

https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/imag...003493-gr4.jpg

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...of-the-Basques

Que por cierto siempre pensé que la aportación mediterránea como el mismo nombre indica se limitaba a la costa sureña y oriental pero en muchas ocasiones las poblaciones del interior tienen más cantidad, las principales ciudades griegas fueron de la costa oriental (Sagunto y Empúries) y las fenicias por toda la costa andaluza/murciana. La excepción serían los romanos pero estoy seguro que daban prioridad a las costas o se ubicaban en mayor numero allí.

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.1475% / 0.02147469
79.2 Andalucia
18.4 Vizcaya
2.4 Álava

Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.02269035 Andalucia
0.03320776 Navarra
0.03383254 Álava
0.03546310 Vizcaya
0.04320741 Guipúzcoa

Ves como sí son para nosotros estas muestras gixi. Mi vasco es vizcaíno, por favor los tenía olvidados, si no hablan de Vizcaya ni en las noticias.

Lo posteé en el otro foro también.

La portuguesa es provisional, porque tengo un montón de K13 portugueses que me pasaron amablemente, y apenas he pasado unos pocos individuos al formato de coordenadas de vahaduo.

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Portugal(n=13),38.33,11.17,25.67,2.35,13.59,3.31,0.20,0.15,0.27,0.56,0.29,2.20,1.91

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Y las primeras provinciales o regionales españolas (voy por orden alfabético), alguna solo tiene dos. En la alavesa al final no añadí a mi madre, ni otro sample individual que encontré a través de Gedmatch.

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Asturias(n=3),41.82,10.32,27.78,1.66,11.54,3.32,0.00,0.67,0.26,0.26,0.90,1.04,0.43
Álava(n=4),48.52,9.15,29.17,0.44,8.44,1.69,0.34,0.39,0.04,0.29,0.35,0.61,0.59
Andalucía_Oriental(n=6),38.57,9.77,29.37,1.82,12.22,4.53,0.47,0.16,0.04,0.28,0.43,1.01,1.34
Andalucía_Occidental(n=4),38.89,9.72,27.55,2.66,13.74,2.94,0.14,0.58,0.43,0.28,0.36,1.70,1.03
Cantabria(n=2),42.14,11.70,29.22,0.25,11.48,2.13,0.26,0.00,0.36,0.50,0.39,1.46,0.14
Castilla_y_León(n=4),39.68,11.09,26.59,1.92,13.90,2.69,0.29,0.14,0.12,0.55,0.53,1.96,0.54

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A ver si os funcionan bien, aún puedo hacer alguna más.

Si alguno puede pasarme al menos un gallego (solo tengo uno), y mejor dos o tres, estaría bien.

No tengo ningún catalán ni valenciano, ni balear,aunque hay para hacer una referencia de Castellón.

Tengo mezclados aragoneses, pero ninguno 100% (que yo sepa, porque tengo muchos individuos que no sé cuales son sus orígenes).

No incluí a mi madre en la media alavesa, pero a mi padre y a mi tío abuelo en la andaluza oriental sí los incluí.

No he elegido medias para buscar un resultado medianamente lógico con mis padres o conmigo, acabo de probar todas las referencias que he hecho ahora mismo por primera vez.

Tampoco he tomado como referencia las medias regionales ya existentes en el datasheet (aunque las he probado con ellas para ver si se parecen).

He hecho medias fiándome de los orígenes atribuidos con que me las han pasado, y he quitado aquellos que me ha parecido que debía quitar de la media para evitar solapamientos.

Tiene bastante lógica por ahora, pero según se vayan añadiendo más referencias de otras partes, los resultados irán cambiando.



Target: gixajo
Distance: 5.0567% / 5.05674222 | R2P
66.6 Andalucía_Oriental(n=6)
33.4 Álava(n=4)


Distance to: gixajo
5.71505031 Asturias(n=3)
5.89144295 Cantabria(n=2)
6.28031050 Andalucía_Oriental(n=6)
8.18349559 Andalucía_Occidental(n=4)
8.27116679 Castilla_y_León(n=4)
8.85811492 Portugal(n=13)
8.98981646 Álava(n=4)

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Target: gixajo_dad
Distance: 2.6475% / 2.64747049 | R2P
100.0 Andalucía_Oriental(n=6)


Distance to: gixajo_dad
2.64747049 Andalucía_Oriental(n=6)
5.40947317 Andalucía_Occidental(n=4)
5.84395414 Asturias(n=3)
6.08513763 Cantabria(n=2)
6.24201890 Castilla_y_León(n=4)
6.38941312 Portugal(n=13)
12.19416254 Álava(n=4)

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Target: gixajo_mom
Distance: 2.8364% / 2.83635898 | R2P
53.7 Álava(n=4)
46.3 Cantabria(n=2)

Distance to: gixajo_mom
4.52078533 Álava(n=4)
4.97700713 Cantabria(n=2)
5.96922943 Asturias(n=3)
8.53009965 Andalucía_Oriental(n=6)
9.13229982 Castilla_y_León(n=4)
9.56978056 Andalucía_Occidental(n=4)
10.36196410 Portugal(n=13)