Who, genetically, are the least Slavic of the Slavs?

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Scyths and Sarmats were huge tribes in Ukraine area, I simply don't buy expanding Slavs absorbed none of such admixture but just steppe Turks did.
So now I am not talking about Russo-Turkish wars but centuries before that.

Iranic nomads were large mass of people who couldn't vanish just like that!
And I think that sort of light substratum may explain why Ukrainians and southern Russians don't plot like early Slavic samples from Germany, Moravia and Hungary.

The historical Scythians and Sarmatians are said to have disappeared centuries before Russia (Rurikid) was founded in the 9th century. They are mostly ancient history, not medieval.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Mixed with what? This is getting ridiculous IMO 'cause now Latvians are supposed to be more "Slavic" than the actual Slavs.

Slavs who invaded Balkans? Well, no idea, just speculating. Maybe they were pure unaltered Slavs.
Latvians? Def. not. Nobody mentions Latvians here.

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Originally Posted by rothaer

Yes, a single PCA does not show all aspects, so there can always be some notable deviations "hidden". For me personally the removal of Sunghir6 doesn't change the Slavic Proportion of 40.0% in this calculator. But Macedonians f. i. get 46.4% with and 46.0% without Sunghir6 among the references. So their "Slavic" obviously had some (small) advantage of the particular character of that Sunghir6 sample.

Sungir6 is good sample, not only for some N.Macedonians, but for other too. I cant be modeled without it, to get close distance.

I dont care about fairytales about Lithuanian-like early Slavs.

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Originally Posted by Leto

The historical Scythians and Sarmatians are said to have disappeared centuries before Russia (Rurikid) was founded in the 9th century. They are mostly ancient history, not medieval.

It sounds like a fairy tale to me. Dissapeared to where, thin air?
Illyrians and Thracians were long gone when Slavs settled Balkans too, but their DNA was not.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

It sounds like a fairy tale to me. Dissapeared to where, thin air?

Assimilated by Proto-Slavs before any historical Slavic state was founded (Russia, Bulgaria, Serbia, etc). They were mostly gone by 500 AD according to Wikipedia.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Sungir6 is good sample, not only for some N.Macedonians, but for other too. I cant be modeled without it, to get close distance.

I dont care about fairytales about Lithuanian-like early Slavs.

No, Sunghir6 looks like a light mongrel and unaltered ancient Slavic samples from 3 different countries plot differently. Facts.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Pure Slavs were like this:

(Balto-)Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.08 1458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0 .004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001,0.129758,0.125 926,0.075424,0.072029,0.046778,0.026774,0.011986,0 .010384,-0.001636,-0.021322,-0.003085,-0.006294,0.008028,0.021194,-0.013843,0.013789,0.019036,-0.005701,0.00352,0.005378,0.004991,-0.008408,0.000986,-0.006145,0.001796
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009,0.126344,0.127 957,0.067127,0.070737,0.042162,0.02008,0.011281,0. 014999,-0.001023,-0.032802,-0.001949,-0.01124,0.017542,0.01968,-0.012893,0.007558,0.011604,0.00114,0.005782,0.0115 06,-0.010357,0.003091,0.007765,-0.008796,-0.001676
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA011,0.125205,0.129 988,0.078818,0.072675,0.047701,0.027889,0.013161,0 .006692,0.005522,-0.020593,-0.00065,-0.009292,0.018583,0.027249,-0.011672,-0.010342,-0.006389,0.00266,0.008045,0.002876,-0.011729,-0.008037,0.007272,-0.003494,0.003952
(Balto-)Slavic:Moravia_POH13,0.127482,0.132019,0.083721,0 .078489,0.050471,0.026495,0.00517,0.018922,0.00429 5,-0.028429,-0.004384,-0.006744,0.017988,0.043076,-0.008143,-0.011668,0.005346,0.000507,0.004022,0.012256,-0.012228,-0.008903,0.01368,-0.013496,-0.002395
(Balto-)Slavic:Moravia_POH28,0.141141,0.136081,0.087492,0 .081719,0.047086,0.027052,0.019976,0.023999,0.0106 35,-0.01385,-0.001299,-0.014537,0.027502,0.03647,-0.015065,-0.007425,-0.014473,-0.005954,-0.005531,0,-0.007237,-0.004204,0.000616,-0.00964,-0.002275

this is how they score on G25:

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Distance to: (Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA011
0.02177898 Belarusian
0.02424324 Russian_Smolensk
0.02738113 Lithuanian_PA
0.02942821 Lithuanian_VZ
0.02946380 Russian_Voronez
0.02991857 Lithuanian_VA
0.03109674 Russian_Pskov
0.03132255 Polish
0.03168777 Polish_Kashubian
0.03227394 Ukrainian
0.03237800 Lithuanian_RA
0.03264673 Russian_Kaluga
0.03270447 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.03272948 Russian_Orel
0.03371607 Russian_Kursk
0.03467135 Russian_Belgorod
0.03512026 Lithuanian_PZ
0.03537807 Estonian
0.03608033 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.03658083 Lithuanian_SZ
0.03819133 Russian_Ryazan
0.03840680 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.03893276 Latvian
0.03998910 Russian_Tver
0.04858666 Slovakian

Distance to: (Balto-)Slavic:Moravia_POH28
0.03697758 Lithuanian_VZ
0.03838355 Lithuanian_PZ
0.04026342 Belarusian
0.04048938 Lithuanian_SZ
0.04129101 Lithuanian_VA
0.04220974 Lithuanian_RA
0.04285783 Russian_Smolensk
0.04314206 Lithuanian_PA
0.04364380 Russian_Pskov
0.04365806 Latvian
0.04497713 Estonian
0.04635229 Russian_Kaluga
0.04739289 Polish_Kashubian
0.04856789 Russian_Voronez
0.05091211 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.05175280 Russian_Kursk
0.05201166 Polish
0.05207170 Russian_Belgorod
0.05212985 Russian_Orel
0.05349331 Ukrainian
0.05539713 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.05598137 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.05742021 Russian_Tver
0.05757977 Russian_Ryazan
0.06922380 Czech

Distance to: (Balto-)Slavic:Moravia_POH13
0.02959238 Lithuanian_VZ
0.03078994 Lithuanian_VA
0.03210870 Lithuanian_RA
0.03262025 Lithuanian_PZ
0.03324002 Lithuanian_PA
0.03340955 Lithuanian_SZ
0.03424146 Belarusian
0.03594568 Russian_Pskov
0.03619425 Latvian
0.03635970 Russian_Smolensk
0.04173181 Russian_Kaluga
0.04233442 Russian_Voronez
0.04401853 Estonian
0.04413051 Russian_Orel
0.04484457 Polish_Kashubian
0.04543079 Ukrainian
0.04610116 Russian_Kursk
0.04629550 Polish
0.04641076 Russian_Belgorod
0.04758354 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.04843990 Russian_Tver
0.04908628 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.04979615 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.05057829 Russian_Ryazan
0.06289456 Slovakian

Distance to: (Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009
0.02619433 Lithuanian_PA
0.02623942 Lithuanian_VA
0.02750444 Ukrainian
0.02756525 Russian_Kursk
0.02800635 Russian_Pskov
0.02883002 Russian_Voronez
0.02925384 Belarusian
0.02942825 Russian_Belgorod
0.02993988 Russian_Smolensk
0.03057635 Polish
0.03094735 Russian_Orel
0.03102981 Lithuanian_RA
0.03170694 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.03223267 Russian_Kaluga
0.03270898 Russian_Ryazan
0.03372124 Russian_Tver
0.03522329 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.03721137 Lithuanian_SZ
0.03731399 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.03745611 Moldovan_o
0.03759956 Lithuanian_VZ
0.03787654 Slovakian
0.03943067 Estonian
0.04062850 Latvian
0.04344051 Lithuanian_PZ

Distance to: (Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.02972696 Lithuanian_PA
0.02995308 Lithuanian_VA
0.03089853 Russian_Pskov
0.03220180 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.03277527 Ukrainian
0.03309396 Russian_Kursk
0.03317714 Polish
0.03436156 Russian_Voronez
0.03460398 Belarusian
0.03461603 Russian_Smolensk
0.03491057 Russian_Kaluga
0.03507617 Lithuanian_RA
0.03546241 Russian_Belgorod
0.03548980 Slovakian
0.03642165 Russian_Tver
0.03702802 Russian_Ryazan
0.03733954 Estonian
0.03738154 Russian_Orel
0.03855024 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.03901147 Lithuanian_SZ
0.03936651 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.04065706 Lithuanian_VZ
0.04067358 Cossack_Kuban
0.04210816 Moldovan_o
0.04229780 Latvian

Distance to: (Balto-)Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.02285860 Belarusian
0.02419895 Lithuanian_PA
0.02505394 Russian_Smolensk
0.02541556 Russian_Voronez
0.02674336 Ukrainian
0.02703831 Polish
0.02739533 Russian_Kursk
0.02773445 Russian_Orel
0.02828713 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.02839289 Lithuanian_VA
0.02896030 Russian_Belgorod
0.02963633 Russian_Pskov
0.02966434 Russian_Kaluga
0.03185186 Russian_Ryazan
0.03197114 Russian_Tver
0.03214046 Lithuanian_RA
0.03226248 Lithuanian_VZ
0.03454520 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.03495364 Estonian
0.03557356 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.03823359 Lithuanian_SZ
0.03827265 Polish_Kashubian
0.03925891 Lithuanian_PZ
0.03970452 Latvian
0.03997270 Slovakian

Your modeling of yourself with ancient Greeks and similar type of stuff is laughable.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

I dont care about fairytales about Lithuanian-like early Slavs.

Greece was swamped by Slavic-speaking Lithuanians in the 6th century :swl

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Originally Posted by Leto

Assimilated by Proto-Slavs before any historical Slavic state was founded (Russia, Bulgaria, Serbia, etc). They were mostly gone by 500 AD according to Wikipedia.

Well, Slavs from Moravia, east Germany and Hungary lack such type of input, in fact they shift towards Balticum and as we know no migrations of Balts were ever recorded there. That's interesting at least.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Greece was swamped by Slavic-speaking Lithuanians in the 6th century :swl

Dušan hates Lithuanians, he is probably jelly they are closer to early Slavs than he is xD