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How are Kashubians peasants ? My grand-grand aunt was married to Kashubian nobleman but they were not Polish but German/Prussian nobles (it seems Kashubians have been Germanized).Quote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
I can post scan of his family coat of arms if you don't believe me. And hg I seems high among Kashubians.
Did they count only Polish nobility in your 16 century data ?
There are some nobles, but the vast majority of Kashubians are peasants. I have a Kashubian noble line in my family tree, but it is was an impoverished family that lost its noble status.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Impoverished nobles were usually becoming peasants again. My Kashubian noble line were also peasants before 1300 AD. They became nobles through nobilitation in the 14th century.
So originally they were peasants, then became nobles, then lost their noble status.
Kashubian nobility is mostly R1a according to what Artek told me (families such as von Klopotek, Gostomski, Miszewski, Trawicki, Cisowski, von Wedel, von Sydow belong to R1a - mostly R1a-L365).
Here you have families of Kashubian nobility (my Kashubian line are Gliszczyński):
http://www.szlachta.org.pl/opracowan...szubskiej.html
Very interesting. Are Kashubians more Slavic or Baltic genetically ? I know they aren't Germanic despite cultural assimilation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
Way more Slavic because they almost don't have any N1c.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Nobility (szlachta) was multiplying faster than peasants (page 21, Table 1.):
http://homoeconomicus.uwb.edu.pl/pdf...ograficzne.pdf
http://s22.postimg.org/befmubtip/Szlachta.png
An average nobleman had 2-3 sons surviving to adulthood.
A typical peasant had only 1-2 sons surviving to adulthood.
From Czekanowski, "Wstęp do historii Słowian", 1957:
https://s10.postimg.org/3n8b3eymh/goto.jpg
Wasn't that also Czekanowski who wrote that Polish nobility was darker-haired and darker-eyed than Polish peasants? I know that someone wrote that, I don't remember who. But it was the opposite pattern to that observed in places like France or Iberia, where the nobility was lighter than peasants.
Did he negate earlier or such true belivers as he any germanicQuote:
Originally Posted by mlukas
influence whatsoever? No single Goth, Vandal, Lug' or a Viking?
None? Not a single one?
You see how liberal we are?Quote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
We even admitted some I1 as honourable! :p
p.s.
Mazowian but with some mazovianized
lands including Podlachia for example.
When wielkopolish will be?Quote:
Based on FTDNA "Mazovian Nobility Project".
Did all wielkopolish szlachta extinct?
In common project there are only two or three specimens :pout:
In ZSzP is almost none from there. They cannot even formate a branch.
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Originally Posted by Litvin
Maybe even less, becasue Poznań DepartmentQuote:
Greater Poland:
Nobility - 5,6 percent
of Warsaw Duchy has only 1,2%, Bydgoszcz's
Department 2,3% and Kalisz's 2,4%.
Hard to say which estimation is correct, but
I guess that percentages from 19th century
are more accurate. Some of course could
emigrate or extinct, but the difference is
quite big. The same in other parts.
It is hard to find information, which etimate was based on census.
This 19th century I took from GUS publication, so I hope it is based
on some real censuses. I don't think that commies would lie so much :)
But who knows...
It is also not known, what role they played among Goths.Quote:
These are Wielbark-descended peasants.
They also had slaves, serfs, and pre-their people.