Are light traits in Southern Europe due to the northern European admixture ?

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Originally Posted by Sikeliot

Where in Calabria is Greek still spoken? My Calabrese great grandmother came from Crotone. I am wondering if it's anywhere near that. Considering I have recent Greek relatives on 23andme.

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Reggio. Closest province to Sicily.

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Originally Posted by Sikeliot

Where in Calabria is Greek still spoken? My Calabrese great grandmother came from Crotone. I am wondering if it's anywhere near that. Considering I have recent Greek relatives on 23andme.

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Red points

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pZdPsa0SCY...co_calabro.jpg

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Originally Posted by Reozek

Spain

http://w11.zetaboards.com/ethnodiver...pic/7720154/1/

Study 2 : Hoyos-Sánz

Fair-eyes color (includes blue, greenish and grey) :

Vasco-Navarra 39.2%
Aragón 34.9%
Castilla La Nueva 21.4%
Castilla La Vieja 21.1%
Baleares 21.0%
León 18.8%
Múrcia 16.9%
Extremadura 18.8%
Cataluña 14.5%
Asturias 19.1%
Valencia 12.1%
Galícia 12.3%
Granada 11.7%
Andalucía 10.7%

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You cannot compare them because they use different scales.

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Originally Posted by Joseph Capelli

You cannot compare them because they use different scales.

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they are pretty much the same , in both studies light eyes are from pure blue to gray and green with some brown (Ojos garzos in spanish) hazel excluded...basques have about 19% of hazel and they are not counted as light otherwise Vasco-Navarra would be almost 60% light eyed...even in the study of Livi Hazel are classified as "brown"...

We and Ibericus have discussed this stuff for months. Those 2 studies use different scales and are not comparable. For examples Hoyoz-Sanz considers light eyes with brown sposts as light, unlike Livi.

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Originally Posted by Sikeliot

Greece today has Slavic influence which lightened them.

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No, you have Slavic influence and you are still darker than most Greeks

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Originally Posted by Sikeliot

But Greece also has a lot of Pontians living there who moved from Pontos.. and Pontians are Hellenized Armenian-like people, thus bringing a racially alien and darker type into Greece.

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Fuck off, mongrel troll. Pontic Greeks have more Greek ancestry than Sicilians, S/Italians and of course, you.

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Originally Posted by Joseph Capelli

We and Ibericus have discussed this stuff for months. Those 2 studies use different scales and are not comparable. For examples Hoyoz-Sanz considers light eyes with brown sposts as light, unlike Livi.

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i believe Livi used a sort of Martin-Schultz scale (even if probably they weren't even born when Antropometria Militare was published) and he considered as light eyes those eye colors who correspond to 1 to 8 in the M.S. scale (pure blue to green with little yellow or brown) ...in this study about Sardinian pigmentation the percentage of light eyes correspond exactly with that of Livi : 13.9% (Martin Schutz scale 1 to 8) IMO it can't be a coincidence

http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home..._num_10_2_3898

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin%...3Schultz_scale

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Originally Posted by kabeiros

Fuck off, mongrel troll. Pontic Greeks have more Greek ancestry than Sicilians, S/Italians and of course, you.

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Maybe instead of spouting nonsense then, explain to me why Pontic Greeks on 23andme cluster near EliasAlucard (an ASSYRIAN) and where Armenians cluster, and not near any of the Greeks?

One of the posters also posted Pontians' Doug McDonald and Dodecad results and they came out like an 100% Armenian.

Light traits are not exclusively Northern European. Hell you are going to find light traits even in Socotra with no genetic affinity to Northern Europeans.

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Originally Posted by kabeiros

No, you have Slavic influence and you are still darker than most Greeks

Fuck off, mongrel troll. Pontic Greeks have more Greek ancestry than Sicilians, S/Italians and of course, you.

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