Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

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Originally Posted by andre

Yes, Romanian_Oltenia it’s nice.. Lukasz, do you have the Romanian_Apuseni samples? Could you add? (Name:Romanian_Transylvania).
Thank you

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I had. But they are already very strange. In K36 one of them plot near Austria if I remember. I first filter such outliers.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

there is also a 3rd set, from all over the country, it was uploaded by Ajeje Brazorf, i think that's the one used for the average

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Are you sure? In that case, it should be reverted back to just "Romanian". I thought the K13 average was based off those from Gorj.

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Originally Posted by Mingle

Wouldn't it make sense to separate those with possible Vlach origins from those without? They score nothing like each other. One could be labeled South Croat1 and another could be South Croat2. If someone like Max Soldo or that new user from Posušje post their results there, they'll be confused since they'll get it at a large distance. They have different genetics so it makes sense to separate them.

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Okay, I'll do it bit later, after I finish posting Croatian 23andme results :P

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Its interesting how are they very far from each other - souther and kaykavian ones.

https://i.imgur.com/yKAnDkI.jpg https://i.imgur.com/06awmKz.jpg

Someone will say - artificial nation. ;)

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Why are academic Serb samples from far from Bosnian Serbs academic samples? :))))
And you both lived in Ottoman Empire, speaking same dialect, imagine that xD

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Originally Posted by Mingle

Are you sure? In that case, it should be reverted back to just "Romanian". I thought the K13 average was based off those from Gorj.

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i think it isn't, Lukasz could add the Gorj and Apuseni averages so we can compare it

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Its interesting how are they very far from each other - souther and kaykavian ones.

https://i.imgur.com/yKAnDkI.jpg https://i.imgur.com/06awmKz.jpg

Someone will say - artificial nation. ;)

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People didnt have DNA-Tests back in the days and its culture,language and mentality holding ethnicities together and not such genetic differences that are that small in the grand scale.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

I made the south Croatian average idiot.

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Can you just, for once, write a post without insulting someone for having a contradictory opinion?Thank you.

Also I am sure Serbs from Torlakia distance to Serbs from Banija for example, will be enormnous :)

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Originally Posted by Lemgrant

on EUtest pca you are very Czech shifted

https://i.imgur.com/6BR2FLT.png
https://i.imgur.com/pQbghUM.png

https://lemgrant.github.io/eutest2dpca/
https://i.imgur.com/G7ZyrCu.png

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His oracle makes much more sense here for a NW Croat than on K13. We've been focusing on K13 this whole time, but the EUtest may have been better.

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Originally Posted by Mingle

His oracle makes much more sense here for a NW Croat than on K13. We've been focusing on K13 this whole time, but the EUtest may have been better.

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Who knows. So it should be updated too:)

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Originally Posted by Dunai

Speaking of academic samples, does anyone have any idea on how many people is the Hungarian sample based upon, and is there any information about it?

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i uploaded them here. there is a lot of them.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...es-on-gedmatch

but probably only a part of these was used in the k13 average, some were published later

https://i.postimg.cc/fywtKCdH/k13distupdated.png

https://i.postimg.cc/1XJgYFcy/k13updated.png

I followed Mingle advice to break South Croat cluster in two, because there are two distinct types of south Croats. You can remove south croat average now which was mix of both, and add these 2 averages separately!

South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster,25.45,35.03,15.55,6.7,11.30,2.50,0.29,0.34,0.99,0 .69,0.50,0.00,0.32
South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster,25.25,29.91,16.48,8.85,15.03,1.97,0.74,0.26,0.64, 0.48,0.17,0.01,0.16

https://i.imgur.com/sRy5oCt.png

https://i.imgur.com/OmHlSqc.png

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

I followed Mingle advice to break South Croat cluster in two, because there are two distinct types of south Croats. You can remove south croat average now which was mix of both, and add these 2 averages separately!

South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster,25.45,35.03,15.55,6.7,11.30,2.50,0.29,0.34,0.99,0 .69,0.50,0.00,0.32
South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster,25.25,29.91,16.48,8.85,15.03,1.97,0.74,0.26,0.64, 0.48,0.17,0.01,0.16

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added to k13

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Originally Posted by Lukasz

added to k13

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Thanks :)

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Thanks :)

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Original Croat ref result now. Reasonable I think.

Target: Croatian
Distance: 1.7184% / 1.71838416 | ADC: 1x
53.4 South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster
28.0 Slovak
10.6 Slovenian
8.0 Moldavian

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Originally Posted by Lukasz

added to k13

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Pretty much :thumb001: Those originals are from Zagreb. Make a lot of sense.

Interesting Morlach result now

Target: South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
Distance: 0.3974% / 0.39738957 | ADC: 0.25x
75.8 Serbian_new
16.2 Bosnian
5.6 Montenegrin
1.4 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
1.0 Spanish_Galicia

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Originally Posted by Lukasz

Interesting Morlach result now

Target: South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
Distance: 0.3974% / 0.39738957 | ADC: 0.25x
75.8 Serbian_new
16.2 Bosnian
5.6 Montenegrin
1.4 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
1.0 Spanish_Galicia

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True Vlachs :P

Target: South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster
Distance: 2.3607% / 2.36073073 | ADC: 1x
62.8 Croatian
34.8 Serbian_Bosnia
2.4 Moldavian

Target: South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster
Distance: 2.3213% / 2.32125498 | ADC: 0.5x
56.2 Croatian
38.8 Serbian_Bosnia
5.0 Moldavian

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

I followed Mingle advice to break South Croat cluster in two, because there are two distinct types of south Croats. You can remove south croat average now which was mix of both, and add these 2 averages separately!

South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster,25.45,35.03,15.55,6.7,11.30,2.50,0.29,0.34,0.99,0 .69,0.50,0.00,0.32
South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster,25.25,29.91,16.48,8.85,15.03,1.97,0.74,0.26,0.64, 0.48,0.17,0.01,0.16

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Looks good, nice work. I would just use the names South Croat_1 and South Croat_2 instead as I think the name Morlach may carry some political undertones and some may not like it.

By the way, how many samples did you use for each of those clusters?

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Originally Posted by Mingle

Looks good. I would just use the name South Croat_1 and South Croat_2 instead as I think the name Morlach may carry some political undertones and some may not like it.

By the way, how many samples did you use for each of those clusters?

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But Morlachs lived in dinaric alps, they were both Serbs and Croats. And they are believed to be more Vlach by blood than Čakavian southern Croats.
I used 5 samples for each.

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Originally Posted by Mingle

Looks good. I would just use the name South Croat_1 and South Croat_2 instead as I think the name Morlach may carry some political undertones and some may not like it.

By the way, how many samples did you use for each of those clusters?

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Morlach sounds cool.

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Originally Posted by Lukasz

Morlach sounds cool.

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One Serb poster has username Morlak, I don't think he ashamed of it.

Updated EU test. It is different than previous one that I posted in page 6. It seems my Turkic part shifted to Iranics, maybe because of my relatively low Mongoloid.

https://i.ibb.co/YtFbY6h/20191219-021637.jpg

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Originally Posted by Thracian

Updated EU test. It is different than previous one that I posted in page 6. It seems my Turkic part shifted to Iranics, maybe because of my relatively low Mongoloid.

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Add to it those later regional Turkish averages?

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Morlachs has been an exonym used for a rural Christian community in Herzegovina, Lika and the Dalmatian Hinterland. The term was initially used for a Vlach pastoralist community in the mountains of Croatia in the second half of the 14th until the early 16th century.

The etymology of the exonym points to a connection with Vlachs, but as stated in Fortis' work Travels in Dalmatia, they were at that time Slavic-speaking. Because of migrations from various parts of the Balkans, the name had passed to later communities. The Morlach people were both of the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic faith.

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-unlike Vlach, this term has no derogaratory conotations in Croatia.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...to%2C_1864.jpg

FIX EASTERN EUROPE THANK YOU

Start by removing fake nationality Belarusian, Ukrainian, Estonian, etc

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Originally Posted by Lukasz

Add to it those later regional Turkish averages?

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Yeah, it would be great if we have them.

I am completely Central European/Austro-Hungarian, and much closer to NW Croats than to any kind of southerners. But my distances are quite large.

https://i.imgur.com/ZJvUvpB.png

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Originally Posted by Lukasz

added to k13

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Could you add Romanian_Apuseni without the strange samples, please?

Please This shit is not funny. Thank Türan atleast the distance is high.

Target: BakhaFather Distance: 7.9962% / 7.99621065 | ADC: 0.5x
34.2	Hazara
23.0	Sephardic_Jews
20.2	Iranian_Jews
15.2	Kurd
7.4	Azerbaijan_Jews

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Target: BakhaFather Distance: 6.8385% / 6.83852967 | ADC: 0.25x
41.6	Azerbaijan_Jews
25.2	Hazara
22.0	Sephardic_Jews
4.0	Buryat
3.8	Bnei_Menashe_Jews
2.6	Oroqen
0.8	TUNISIA

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Target: BakhaFather Distance: 5.1536% / 5.15364296
34.8	Azerbaijan_Jews
28.6	Sephardic_Jews
8.6	Adygei
8.6	Velama
7.2	JPT
7.0	Koryak_15
4.0	CHB
1.2	Mozabite

On other forum user posted Minoan and Myceanean samples for MDLP K11.

Added to datasheet.

Distance to: K13
5.25476926 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
5.72958973 Serbian_new
6.00030833 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
6.24445856 Macedonian
6.47237572 Montenegrin
6.80810546 Romanian_Oltenia
7.17518474 Bosnian
7.71079114 Bulgarian
7.82883133 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
7.88712162 Serbian_Bosnia
8.23652232 Romanian_Muntenia
8.43411525 Szekely
9.56461349 North_Macedonian
9.83250222 Csango_Gymes
10.79834247 South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster
10.86410144 Moldavian
13.04815801 Slovenian
13.36603905 Croatian
13.80887034 Hungarian
13.98351803 Kosovo_Albanian
14.32474782 Albanian
15.56970991 GR_Macedonia
16.29180162 Kaykavian_Croatian
16.42651211 Greek_Thessaly
16.56041470 Slovak

Nice! I’m so Vlach.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

I am completely Central European/Austro-Hungarian, and much closer to NW Croats than to any kind of southerners. But my distances are quite large.

https://i.imgur.com/ZJvUvpB.png

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Just a question, from which zone are the “morlak” croatian? Monstar zone? Split zone?

EUtest looks solid
Just lacking some samples
https://i.imgur.com/C1GLBLN.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bAiJbVq.jpg

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Originally Posted by andre

Just a question, from which zone are the “morlak” croatian? Monstar zone? Split zone?

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Both Dalmatian and BiH Croats who form a distinct cluster. They all score similary.

PuntDnal looks much better

Target: BakhaFather Distance: 8.3087% / 8.30870507 | ADC: 0.5x
78.4	Turkish_Kayseri
8.0	Gond
5.8	Eskimo
3.8	Thai
3.4	Egyptian
0.6	Afghan_Hazara

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Target: BakhaFather Distance: 4.5029% / 4.50286220 | ADC: 0.25x
40.6	Turkish_Kayseri
17.0	Turkish_Trabzon
11.6	Lebanese_Muslim
10.6	Gond
9.6	Eskimo
6.2	Thai
3.0	Fulani
1.4	Moroccan

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Target: BakhaFather Distance: 0.9431% / 0.94314580
49.8	Turkish_Trabzon
8.0	Pulliyar
5.8	Cypriot
5.2	Hakkipikki
4.4	Samaritan_Jew
4.0	Mozabite
3.4	Eskimo
3.2	Oroqen
2.8	Igorot
2.8	Yakut
2.4	Mayan
2.2	Yoruba
2.0	Naxi
1.2	Nganasan
1.0	Chukchi
0.6	San
0.4	Biaka_Pygmy
0.4	Murut
0.2	Japanese
0.2	Xibo