I am Vlach and he is not Croat, either by blood, religion or culture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
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I am Vlach and he is not Croat, either by blood, religion or culture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Interesting most of Muslim intelectuals with Serbian concsiousness were Herzegovinians, or if they were from Bosnia they mostly had deeper Herzegovinian origin. Osman Đikić, Smail aga Đemalović and Hasan Rebar were from Mostar. Muhamed Mehmedbašić, Mustafa Golubić and Mahmud Alihodžić were from Stolac. Ismet Popovac was from Trebinje. Meša Selimović and Emir Kusturica are from Bosnia, but their deeper origin is from Bileća area. Mustafa Mijailović was from Tuzla. Avdo Karabegović was from Modriča. Fehim Muskadić and Mehmed Spaho were from Sarajevo. Mustafa Mulalić was from Livno. Šukrija Kurtović was from Gacko.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
About Muhamed, Mustafa and Mahmud Muslim Serbs from Stolac http://www.politika.rs/sr/clanak/305...rbina-iz-Stoca
Historian Salih Selimović who is born in Tešanj and live in Sjenica is declared Muslim Serb.
Get back to your shithole, he's Zagrebian by culture and much more European than you will ever be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Insuperable
Every real nationalist will value him more than you.
Stears updated results
Distance to: Stears
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5.08472221 Croat_Croatia
5.09596900 Croat
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Target: Stears
Distance: 0.9889% / 0.98888584 | ADC: 0.25x
59.0 Hungarian_Budapest
30.6 Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
7.2 Yagnobi
1.4 Tatar
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0.6 Afghan_Pashtun
Target: Stears
Distance: 4.1762% / 4.17616934 | ADC: 1x
36.6 Moldova_North
26.8 Hungarian_Transylvania
26.6 Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
10.0 Hungarian_Budapest
My updated results
Distance to: Stearsolina
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4.58251023 Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar
4.68484792 Hungarian_Budapest
4.74770471 Croat
4.83774741 Hungarian
4.90758596 Hungarian_Alfold
5.24751370 Hungarian_Transdanubia
5.31404742 Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
5.41770247 Moldova_North
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6.29416396 Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
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6.72862542 Hungarian_Szekely
6.78902055 Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper
6.91147596 Croat_B&H_Bosnia_proper
7.05065245 Hungarian_Northern
7.29110417 Bosniak_Sarajevo
Target: Stearsolina
Distance: 2.6066% / 2.60655582 | ADC: 0.25x
39.8 Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar
35.0 Croat_Croatia_Central
11.4 Bosniak_Krajina
7.0 German_East
6.2 North_Ossetian
0.6 French_Basque
Target: Stearsolina
Distance: 3.9808% / 3.98077281 | ADC: 1x
72.0 Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar
28.0 Moldova_North
Are you on your period or is this that retard?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
And I am already in my shithole retard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Islam and Croats.
Emir Kusturica know about his Serbian origin. He say his ancestors before islamization had surname Babić, and they were from Bileća in East Herzegovina. They converted on Islam late, in 18th century.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
In Bileća area exist Orthodox Serbs with surname Babić, they are tested via Serbian dna project and they are R1a-YP4278. Their Slava is Lazareva Subota.
Tired of your s***.Quote:
Originally Posted by Insuperable
My xenophobia against you has nothing to do with your DNA results.
But when you are troll, it will be mentioned. This non European mentality is not Croatian.
You are the last one to talk about blood part Gypsy. He could be born in Sweden he is culturally Turk.
Has it ever occured to you that I am tired of your shit, whoever you are?
Go away, freak!Quote:
Originally Posted by Insuperable
https://i.imgur.com/veiIUK3.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by TheMaestro
The most northern-shifted of all Balkan Slavs: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...Bosnia-ca-1930
Interesting how Balkanites cluster between Slavs and Romans and not between Slavs and Paleo Balkanites.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
yes. but the most northern shifted imperial Romans, who were a Middle Eastern + Italic/Paleo-Balkan mix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Nice to see how Serbs are far more homogeneous by autosomal genetics than Croats.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Serbs are almost double size in population than Croats, but blue (Serb) area is far smaller than pink (Croat) area in diagram.
Serbs are grey, blue are Romanians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
My mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Still grey area is a bit smaller than pink, even we are almost double size in population than Croats.
Serb from western Bosnia (Bosanska Krajina), surame Jotanović.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/at...9&d=1602703492
That's because we have very few paleo-Balkanite samples compared to Roman samples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Also note that Romanians are the smallest cluster among Balkanites. This again shows sampling issues.
The West Asian is pretty low for the Balkans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Varda
It's interesting how both Serbian and Bulgarian clusters almost complete engulf the Romanian cluster. Romanians are like the intersection of Serbs and Bulgarians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Not really, vbn obviously lacks Romanians from Northern Moldavia in that run. That would have pushed the cluster more to the left than the Serbian one.Quote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu
Romanian cluster has huge sample size. But I agree we have few Paleo Balkan samples.Quote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu
Quite similar as K13 of Serb from Ljubinje (Herzegovina) with suraname Tica.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
I posted already Tica on other thread, here is for comparation.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/at...0&d=1602705214
Size is not enough, you have to sample all strata in the population to get the actual distribution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Rural Romanian are not sampled almost at all, and half of Romanians are rural.
Most of my samples are rural, I just don't disclose the name of the villages.Quote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu
how can that be, are Nelu and Ghiţă this concerned with genetic testing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
actually it would be interesting to have the rural/urban percentage split added to your averages
I don't know why you are surprised. A lot of people in Romania and Moldova would have had parents or grandparents who were raised in villages, while they were born in towns and cities.Quote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu
I know almost no Romanian with all 4 grandparents from urban areas, an urba-rural division makes little sense to me in our case. Maybe for some Transylvanian ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
In R. Moldova it's the same. Those whom I know with grandparents from Chisinau, their grandparents are overwhelmingly ethnic minorities like Jews, Russians, Greeks, Poles. There's even one friend of mine who swears on an Italian ggp :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow
Moldovan/Romanians and Ukrainians lived primarily in the countryside prior to the Soviet period.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
I consider urban the population that currently lives in cities or suburban areas. I'm not that concerned with the place people were born. From this perspective, I'm not so convinced that true rural people are actively looking for genetic testing.
more boring details here:
Spoiler!
it's almost certain there is a genetic difference between urban and rural populations in Romania.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow
cities have above average med, while rural areas have more baltic (except in Baragan).
They could live even on the moon as far as we should be concerned. What matters is where their grandparents were born.Quote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu
Not really, especially for places like Ploiesti and Bucuresti which attract people from all over the country. Those from Moldavia pull the average Southern admixture down in cities from Muntenia. There are people in the rural areas around Ploiesti and Bucuresti with around 21% East Med. But villages are far from being homogenous if that's what you are suggesting. Same is true for the other side of Prut.Quote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu
sure, but suburban villages were/are different from the rest of the villages. suburban village population was already closer to that of cities compared that of the proper rural areas. just saying that, "hey most romanians have village born grandparents" is not illuminating. Question is: what kind of village? proper rural or suburban?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
urban and rural populations in Romania look uniformly different, and I do expect that to be reflected in genetics
Here are some Muntenians from villages.
From top to bottom, 4 from Buzau county, 2 Arges, 2 Prahova, 1 Dambovita, 9 Ialomita, 2 Teleorman, 2 Calarasi, 2 Arges
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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan 22.52 23.37 17.82 13.81 17.08 2.44 0 0.42 0.78 1.11 0 0 0.64 19.73 22.63 16.91 13.70 20.31 3.91 0 1.06 0.99 0.49 0 0.27 0 21.66 24.81 20.04 12.00 16.24 1.57 0 0 2.14 0.96 0 0 0.57 21.06 25.82 17.24 12.08 18.56 2.39 0 0 1.81 0.94 0.10 0 0 24.22 23.63 17.55 12.50 16.69 1.83 0.25 2.00 0.31 0 0.07 0.95 0 19.14 26.55 17.57 9.75 21.62 2.97 0.31 0.79 0 1.18 0.13 0 0 23.31 20.50 18.32 10.05 21.07 3.38 0 1.28 0.28 0.10 1.29 0 0.42 25.45 31.50 13.01 8.99 11.95 4.09 1.91 0.19 2.63 0 0 0 0.27 23.65 28.15 14.73 10.75 15.39 2.48 1.40 0.91 0.94 0.97 0 0.62 0 22.34 25.37 17.11 12.08 18.06 1.65 0 1.22 0.80 0.67 0.38 0 0.31 23.26 22.95 18.50 13.46 15.12 3.66 0.34 0.33 1.49 0.88 0 0 0 23.06 23.33 17.96 10.88 18.12 2.67 0.97 0 2.02 0.95 0 0 0 16.87 26.50 17.45 16.62 18.74 0.65 0.95 0 1.42 0 0 0.80 0 21.15 28.46 16.15 8.55 17.62 2.94 0.58 1.39 0 2.64 0.14 0 0.39 17.41 27.21 17.96 12.08 19.75 1.59 0.15 1.03 0.87 1.93 0 0 0 19.04 29.46 17.12 12.06 17.84 0.68 1.51 0.22 0.81 0.72 0.25 0 0.31 22.53 21.05 17.47 15.79 17.37 2.84 0.42 0 2.01 0.52 0 0 0 24.82 20.14 15.32 12.75 20.47 3.56 0 0 2.16 0.13 0.64 0 0 20.78 24.59 17.83 12.38 17.43 1.70 2.59 0 0.46 0.36 1.55 0 0.33 20.46 21.83 20.03 10.55 21.08 3.48 0 1.30 1.22 0.06 0 0 0 23.14 20.71 20.20 13.39 14.27 3.55 1.38 2.28 0.62 0.05 0.28 0.14 0 21.87 24.61 17.16 12.49 18.67 1.19 1.15 0.93 1.25 0 0.52 0 0.17 21.35 21.68 18.13 9.38 23.03 1.95 1.07 1.22 1.03 0 1.15 0 0 24.12 23.85 17.02 11.78 18.38 2.60 0 0 1.16 0.27 0.34 0.48 0 18.32 29.47 16.35 11.37 21.77 1.23 0 0 0.79 0.46 0 0 0.25 23.85 23.20 16.65 9.21 19.25 3.02 1.47 0 0.78 1.51 0.10 0 0.94
dude, instead of talking let's just test it on each component. I can do it if you send me the data.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
You won't get access to personal details, but you can grab what I've posted above and in my threads and work on them. There aren't any substantial differences. If anything, if one were to look at villages in Romania, there are more Gypsies there than in the urban areas on average.Quote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu