Thanks, I wasn't sure whether to trust them or not :)
Do you think they are valid even though it is still batch processing something?
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Had a look at K15 Oracle & it hasn't updated yet. You could still post your results. But it may change soonish. You could still compare them to Jackson & I.
The versions don't matter.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post1973185
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post1973106
Ok, thanks. I'll post some. Seems the dark curly hair in a lot of my family isn't med or French as I though it would be. I'm also not showing as 3/4 English- K13 shows even less! I can't actually get into gedmatch at the moment, but I saved some earlier so I'll post those...
Ok, some of my results :). Known ancestry 3/4 south-east England, 1/4 Irish.
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 39.41
2 Atlantic 26.40
3 Baltic 11.69
4 West_Med 9.06
5 Eastern_Euro 8.01
6 West_Asian 5.42
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Orcadian @ 4.553
2 Dutch @ 4.714
3 West_Scottish @ 6.067
4 Irish @ 6.238
5 Danish @ 6.297
6 Southwest_English @ 6.317
7 Southeast_English @ 6.459
8 Norwegian @ 6.547
9 Swedish @ 7.959
10 German @ 8.342
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 3.735
2 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 3.788
3 Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 3.828
4 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 3.857
5 Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.873
6 Dutch + Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 3.910
7 Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 3.912
8 German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 3.918
9 Dutch + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 3.925
10 Orcadian + Southwest_English + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 3.941
Oracle X:
Option 1
1 Orcadian 50.67%
2 Southwest_English 30.26%
3 Swedish 16.24%
4 North_Ossetian 2.83%
5 Irish 0.00%
6 Dutch 0.00%
7 Ukrainian_West 0.00%
8 German 0.00%
9 Norwegian 0.00%
10 French 0.00%
Option 2
1 Orcadian 66.44%
2 Dutch 16.50%
3 Southwest_English 7.13%
4 Irish 5.14%
5 North_Ossetian 2.76%
6 Swedish 0.82%
7 Ukrainian_West 0.42%
8 Norwegian 0.31%
9 Southeast_English 0.26%
10 North_Swedish 0.21%
Orcadian is kind of a Norse-Celt mix, you score higher in North Sea, the update will have West Norway at its peak instead of Orkney, perhaps could change things... Tilt it about.
A couple of seconds to show you what I think of Oracle & that you can't take it literally
Somewhere in this triangle & more drawn to SW England, as it scores 50%. Going from North England, West Midlands & Wales. Somewhere there.
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...ps794d3664.png
Yes, I was a little surprised about the mix.
My MTdna, well 23andme just gave me H so I put my data through the James Lick (I think that's it) calculator and I didn't show a perfect match to any, but was closest to H27, H27c and H27d. I don't think 23andme test for those, and I can't really find anything about them.
That's interesting, thanks. It'll be good to see what the update shows :). I guess that position in Northern England could work. Oracle X seems odd, though I score high on Orcadian on K13 too. It's probably just the Celtic/Norse mix as you say. I'll post some K13 results on that thread.
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 42.22
2 West_Asian 33.55
3 West_Med 7.14
4 Red_Sea 7.03
5 North_Sea 4.09
6 Atlantic 2.76
7 South_Asian 2.23
8 Amerindian 0.98
Pct. Calc. Option 1
1 Armenian 66.02%
2 Lebanese_Druze 31.40%
3 Assyrian 2.52%
4 Kurdish 0.04%
5 Lebanese_Christian 0.01%
6 Jordanian 0.01%
7 Turkish 0.00%
8 Iranian 0.00%
9 Syrian 0.00%
10 Lebanese_Muslim 0.00%
1 Assyrian 76.42%
2 Armenian 8.05%
3 Georgian 6.54%
4 Lebanese_Druze 4.92%
5 Lebanese_Christian 4.07%
6 Turkish 0.00%
7 Lebanese_Muslim 0.00%
8 Syrian 0.00%
9 Jordanian 0.00%
10 Palestinian 0.00%
The results are odd, I don't think this website was made for Armenians.
How will we know when the new population averages will be in? The Oracles will change?
Gedmatch isn't working for me at all. Probably because of the updates?
If the new averages are not added to GEDMatch by this Sunday, and I can find the spare time, I will try and build a spreadsheet for one or both runs that will act as the basic oracle function.
Still not updated? Anyone know for sure?
Population
North_Sea 15.99%
Atlantic 15.88%
Baltic 10.23%
Eastern_Euro 5.62%
West_Med 17.13%
West_Asian 12.76%
East_Med 17.90%
Red_Sea 4.50%
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
I just checked, and it seems like it's still the same.
It will be interesting to see if our ADMIXTURE component percentages change much for this calculator once the new spreadsheet results are put in.
Well I am going to post my old results again anyways and will compare them with the new one's once the spreadsheet is in.
Population
North_Sea 31.10%
Atlantic 20.43%
Baltic 10.15%
Eastern_Euro 12.53%
West_Med 7.55%
West_Asian 4.79%
East_Med 7.85%
Red_Sea 1.47%
South_Asian 1.06%
Southeast_Asian 0.21%
Siberian 1.01%
Amerindian 0.91%
Oceanian 0.96%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Oracle:
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 German 7.5
2 Dutch 9
3 North_Swedish 10.56
4 Norwegian 10.62
5 Danish 10.67
6 French 10.82
7 Southeast_English 10.88
8 Swedish 10.96
9 Southwest_English 11.02
10 Hungarian 11.17
11 Orcadian 11.64
12 Austrian 11.99
13 Irish 12.14
14 West_Scottish 12.19
15 Serbian 13.33
16 Southwest_Finnish 13.42
17 Finnish 15.46
18 Romanian 17.26
19 Spanish_Galicia 17.57
20 Spanish_Cataluna 18.31
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.9% Norwegian + 26.1% Ashkenazi @ 3.2
2 81% Norwegian + 19% Cyprian @ 3.32
3 78.3% North_Swedish + 21.7% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.32
4 70% North_Swedish + 30% Tuscan @ 3.42
5 78.3% Norwegian + 21.7% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.52
6 81.4% Norwegian + 18.6% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.52
7 83.1% Norwegian + 16.9% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.6
8 82.8% Norwegian + 17.2% Samaritan @ 3.62
9 81.5% Norwegian + 18.5% Syrian @ 3.67
10 83% Norwegian + 17% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.76
11 81.4% North_Swedish + 18.6% Cyprian @ 3.86
12 72.6% Norwegian + 27.4% Greek @ 3.86
13 82.6% Norwegian + 17.4% Palestinian @ 3.87
14 82.2% Norwegian + 17.8% Jordanian @ 3.88
15 53.8% Orcadian + 46.2% Serbian @ 3.96
16 74.5% North_Swedish + 25.5% Ashkenazi @ 4
17 80% Norwegian + 20% Turkish @ 4.01
18 82.8% Norwegian + 17.2% Assyrian @ 4.06
19 85.8% Dutch + 14.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.1
20 78.1% Swedish + 21.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.24
Oracle-4:
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 German @ 8.611
2 Dutch @ 10.438
3 North_Swedish @ 12.216
4 French @ 12.291
5 Norwegian @ 12.389
6 Danish @ 12.424
7 Southeast_English @ 12.665
8 Swedish @ 12.726
9 Southwest_English @ 12.776
10 Hungarian @ 12.840
165 iterations.
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +50% Serbian @ 4.505
2 50% Norwegian +50% Serbian @ 5.102
3 50% Danish +50% Serbian @ 5.830
4 50% Dutch +50% Serbian @ 5.997
5 50% Serbian +50% Swedish @ 6.073
6 50% Serbian +50% West_Scottish @ 6.176
7 50% Orcadian +50% Romanian @ 6.190
8 50% French +50% North_Swedish @ 6.598
9 50% Norwegian +50% Romanian @ 6.675
10 50% Serbian +50% Southeast_English @ 6.786
13695 iterations.
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Swedish +25% Ashkenazi +25% Orcadian @ 2.804
2 50% North_Swedish +25% Ashkenazi +25% Danish @ 2.948
3 50% North_Swedish +25% Ashkenazi +25% West_Scottish @ 3.034
4 50% Norwegian +25% Ashkenazi +25% North_Swedish @ 3.130
5 50% North_Swedish +25% Ashkenazi +25% Southeast_English @ 3.131
6 50% North_Swedish +25% Ashkenazi +25% Irish @ 3.332
7 50% North_Swedish +25% Ashkenazi +25% Southwest_English @ 3.344
8 50% North_Swedish +25% Ashkenazi +25% Dutch @ 3.345
9 50% Orcadian +25% Ashkenazi +25% North_Swedish @ 3.356
10 50% Orcadian +25% Ashkenazi +25% Finnish @ 3.449
393701 iterations.
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Ashkenazi + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Orcadian @ 2.804
2 Ashkenazi + Danish + North_Swedish + Norwegian @ 2.925
3 Ashkenazi + Danish + North_Swedish + North_Swedish @ 2.948
4 Ashkenazi + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 2.974
5 Ashkenazi + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + West_Scottish @ 3.034
6 Ashkenazi + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 3.130
7 Ashkenazi + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Southeast_English @ 3.131
8 Ashkenazi + Dutch + North_Swedish + Norwegian @ 3.152
9 Ashkenazi + North_Swedish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 3.221
10 Ashkenazi + Dutch + North_Swedish + Orcadian @ 3.278
11 Ashkenazi + Danish + North_Swedish + Swedish @ 3.305
12 Ashkenazi + Irish + North_Swedish + North_Swedish @ 3.332
13 Ashkenazi + North_Swedish + Orcadian + Swedish @ 3.343
14 Ashkenazi + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Southwest_English @ 3.344
15 Ashkenazi + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Southeast_English @ 3.344
16 Ashkenazi + Dutch + North_Swedish + North_Swedish @ 3.345
17 Ashkenazi + North_Swedish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 3.356
18 Ashkenazi + Danish + North_Swedish + Orcadian @ 3.383
19 Ashkenazi + Finnish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 3.449
20 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.450
Oracle-X:
Pct. Calc. Option 2
0 Unable to determine 0.32%
1 Dutch 39.41%
2 Orcadian 25.36%
3 North_Swedish 10.86%
4 Jordanian 6.53%
5 Chuvash 5.61%
6 Lebanese_Druze 4.68%
7 East_Finnish 2.36%
8 Iranian 1.61%
9 French 1.05%
10 Papuan 0.76%
Still not updated eh?
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Serbian @ 5.844244
2 Romanian @ 6.717205
3 North_Italian @ 7.447857
4 Bulgarian @ 8.136767
5 French @ 8.246583
6 Greek_Thessaly @ 8.367851
7 Tuscan @ 8.421838
8 West_German @ 8.455423
9 Austrian @ 8.727971
10 Hungarian @ 8.74453
11 Spanish_Cataluna @ 9.101467
12 Spanish_Galicia @ 9.663147
13 Portuguese @ 9.784552
14 Spanish_Extremadura @ 9.81045
15 Moldavian @ 9.885993
16 Croatian @ 10.249148
17 Italian_Abruzzo @ 10.324416
18 Spanish_Valencia @ 10.35977
19 Spanish_Andalucia @ 10.418472
20 South_Dutch @ 10.432635
205 iterations.
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 South_Italian+West_Norwegian @ 3.451398
2 East_Sicilian+West_Norwegian @ 3.494261
3 Danish+South_Italian @ 3.512229
4 Danish+East_Sicilian @ 3.538754
5 Norwegian+South_Italian @ 3.629524
6 East_Sicilian+Norwegian @ 3.696624
7 East_Sicilian+North_Dutch @ 3.749947
8 North_Dutch+South_Italian @ 3.866717
9 South_Italian+Swedish @ 3.875946
10 East_Sicilian+Swedish @ 3.97357
11 Greek_Thessaly+West_German @ 4.083698
12 East_Sicilian+West_Scottish @ 4.085968
13 East_Sicilian+North_German @ 4.099311
14 Greek+West_German @ 4.141702
15 West_Norwegian+West_Sicilian @ 4.161684
16 Sephardic_Jewish+West_Norwegian @ 4.167864
17 North_German+South_Italian @ 4.177896
18 Danish+West_Sicilian @ 4.190053
19 East_Sicilian+Southwest_English @ 4.193186
20 North_Dutch+West_Sicilian @ 4.211791
21115 iterations.
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_English +25% Lebanese_Druze +25% Serbian @ 3.186089
2 50% Southwest_English +25% Samaritan +25% Serbian @ 3.261759
3 50% West_German +25% Cyprian +25% West_German @ 3.286821
4 50% Southwest_English +25% Lebanese_Christian +25% Serbian @ 3.298999
5 50% West_Norwegian +25% East_Sicilian +25% South_Italian @ 3.332441
6 50% South_Italian +25% Danish +25% West_Norwegian @ 3.340295
7 50% West_German +25% Cyprian +25% South_Dutch @ 3.342145
8 50% West_German +25% East_German +25% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.348144
9 50% West_German +25% East_German +25% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.351551
10 50% East_Sicilian +25% Danish +25% West_Norwegian @ 3.370998
11 50% West_German +25% Cyprian +25% East_German @ 3.372672
12 50% West_Norwegian +25% Cyprian +25% East_Sicilian @ 3.380136
13 50% West_German +25% East_German +25% Samaritan @ 3.389861
14 50% Danish +25% Cyprian +25% Tuscan @ 3.395378
15 50% West_German +25% Lebanese_Christian +25% South_Dutch @ 3.402303
16 50% West_German +25% Lebanese_Druze +25% South_Dutch @ 3.40594
17 50% West_German +25% Cyprian +25% Danish @ 3.40873
18 50% West_German +25% Lebanese_Druze +25% Southwest_English @ 3.414173
19 50% Southwest_English +25% Cyprian +25% Serbian @ 3.416699
20 50% Danish +25% East_Sicilian +25% South_Italian @ 3.416738
4307460 iterations.
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Lebanese_Druze+Serbian+Southwest_English+Southwest _English @ 3.186089
2 Danish+East_Sicilian+South_Italian+West_Norwegian @ 3.230167
3 East_German+Lebanese_Druze+Spanish_Galicia+West_No rwegian @ 3.25074
4 Samaritan+Serbian+Southwest_English+Southwest_Engl ish @ 3.261759
5 East_German+Lebanese_Druze+Southwest_English+West_ German @ 3.272117
6 Orcadian+Samaritan+Serbian+Southwest_English @ 3.280073
7 Samaritan+Serbian+Southwest_English+West_Norwegian @ 3.283472
8 Cyprian+West_German+West_German+West_German @ 3.286821
9 Danish+Samaritan+Serbian+Southwest_English @ 3.293583
10 Lebanese_Christian+Serbian+Southwest_English+South west_English @ 3.298999
11 East_German+Lebanese_Christian+Southwest_English+W est_German @ 3.301753
12 Cyprian+Serbian+Southwest_English+West_German @ 3.301993
13 Cyprian+Danish+Serbian+West_German @ 3.30315
14 Cyprian+Danish+Tuscan+West_Norwegian @ 3.312007
15 North_Dutch+Samaritan+Serbian+Southwest_English @ 3.314675
16 East_Sicilian+South_Italian+West_Norwegian+West_No rwegian @ 3.332441
17 Danish+South_Italian+South_Italian+West_Norwegian @ 3.340295
18 Cyprian+South_Dutch+West_German+West_German @ 3.342145
19 Lebanese_Druze+Serbian+Southwest_English+West_Germ an @ 3.347015
20 East_German+Lebanese_Druze+West_German+West_German @ 3.348144
21 East_German+Lebanese_Christian+Spanish_Galicia+Wes t_Norwegian @ 3.349277
22 East_German+Lebanese_Christian+West_German+West_Ge rman @ 3.351551
23 Danish+Lebanese_Christian+Serbian+Southwest_Englis h @ 3.352101
24 East_German+Samaritan+Southwest_English+West_Germa n @ 3.356486
25 Danish+North_Italian+Samaritan+West_Norwegian @ 3.360167
26 Cyprian+North_Dutch+Serbian+West_German @ 3.364422
27 East_Sicilian+Greek+West_German+West_Norwegian @ 3.37099
28 Danish+East_Sicilian+East_Sicilian+West_Norwegian @ 3.370998
29 Cyprian+Danish+Serbian+Southwest_English @ 3.371267
30 Cyprian+East_German+West_German+West_German @ 3.372672
31 Cyprian+East_Sicilian+West_Norwegian+West_Norwegia n @ 3.380136
32 Lebanese_Christian+Orcadian+Serbian+Southwest_Engl ish @ 3.383462
33 East_German+Lebanese_Druze+South_Dutch+West_German @ 3.38689
34 East_German+Lebanese_Christian+South_Dutch+West_Ge rman @ 3.389014
35 East_German+French+Lebanese_Druze+Southwest_Englis h @ 3.389416
36 East_German+Samaritan+West_German+West_German @ 3.389861
37 Lebanese_Christian+Serbian+Southwest_English+West_ Norwegian @ 3.39054
38 Danish+Lebanese_Christian+North_Italian+West_Norwe gian @ 3.391127
39 Cyprian+Serbian+West_German+West_Norwegian @ 3.393235
40 East_German+Lebanese_Druze+North_Dutch+Spanish_Gal icia @ 3.394571
Would like to see new results. But amnae going to pester him for results. Ach well. :P
So when are the new results going to be available for everyone?
I checked the total numerical distance of myself from each of the populations just by order of magnitude quickly, the real results will of course be somewhat different, but this is not bad. Puts my actual population 3rd, and only by a slight amount:
Population Total Distance
North_Dutch 13.41
West_German 13.55
Southeast_English 13.83
South_Dutch 14.18
North_German 14.58
Danish 15.19
Southwest_English 15.81
Irish 17.2
West_Scottish 18.49
Orcadian 20.72
Norwegian 21.24
Swedish 23.77
French 26.42
The people at Gedmatch have probably forgotten about those sheets. I heard they have a forum now though, someone could make a complaint thread.
Suppose South East English could sit anywhere between Cornwall & to Denmark, North Netherlands. Depends on germanic ancestry.
You are from Kent. Not exactly that far over seas.
It still gives me this: Using 2 populations approximation (oracle4)
1 50% Southeast_English +50% Tuscan @ 7.105
2 50% Southwest_English +50% Tuscan @ 7.438
3 50% Irish +50% Tuscan @ 7.448
4 50% French +50% Tuscan @ 7.588
5 50% German +50% Tuscan @ 7.630
6 50% Irish +50% Sephardic_Jewish @ 7.750
7 50% Tuscan +50% West_Scottish @ 7.805
8 50% Sephardic_Jewish +50% West_Scottish @ 7.907
9 50% Danish +50% Tuscan @ 7.994
10 50% Sephardic_Jewish +50% Southeast_English @ 8.243
13695 iterations.
It's also the only calculator that put's me as half Tuscan and for 5 times after eachother...Pretty screwed reference population or something, but the distances are already showing that.
Mixed Mode Population Sharing: (oracle)
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.8% Tuscan + 37.2% Irish @ 5.03 ?????
2 63.6% Tuscan + 36.4% West_Scottish @ 5.12 ?????
3 60.6% Tuscan + 39.4% Southeast_English @ 5.25 ???
4 63.3% Tuscan + 36.7% Danish @ 5.48 ??????
5 60.5% Southwest_English + 39.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 5.57
6 59.8% Southeast_English + 40.2% Sephardic_Jewish @ 5.64
7 60.2% Tuscan + 39.8% Southwest_English @ 5.71
How is this possible ?
What are your results Catkin? You and Jackson probably quite similar then,
With the old populations:
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 39.41
2 Atlantic 26.40
3 Baltic 11.69
4 West_Med 9.06
5 Eastern_Euro 8.01
6 West_Asian 5.42
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Orcadian @ 4.553
2 Dutch @ 4.714
3 West_Scottish @ 6.067
4 Irish @ 6.238
5 Danish @ 6.297
6 Southwest_English @ 6.317
7 Southeast_English @ 6.459
8 Norwegian @ 6.547
9 Swedish @ 7.959
10 German @ 8.342
Oh aye. forgot( silly me , sorry). You are more Northern than Jackson. Jackson's mum's much more southern. That pulls him down.
You're not as Orcadian as I am though. :P
Oracle
1 Orcadian 4.08
2 West_Scottish 6.03
3 Danish 6.43
4 Irish 7.22
5 Southeast_English 7.51
6 Norwegian 7.61
7 Dutch 7.66
8 Southwest_English 8.47
9 Swedish 9.59
10 German 11.7
1 99.7% Orcadian + 0.3% Papuan @ 4.07
2 99.9% Orcadian + 0.1% NAN_Melanesian @ 4.08
3 100% Orcadian + 0% Abhkasian @ 4.08
4 100% Orcadian + 0% Adygei @ 4.08
5 100% Orcadian + 0% Algerian @ 4.08
6 100% Orcadian + 0% Altaian @ 4.08
7 100% Orcadian + 0% Armenian @ 4.08
8 100% Orcadian + 0% Ashkenazi @ 4.08
9 100% Orcadian + 0% Assyrian @ 4.08
10 100% Orcadian + 0% Austrian @ 4.08
Oracle 4
1 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 4.637
2 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 4.908
3 Danish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 5.113
4 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 5.235
5 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 5.306
6 Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.430
7 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 5.505
8 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 5.522
9 Danish + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 5.583
10 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 5.614
Oracle X
1 Orcadian 100.00%
2 West_Scottish 0.00%
3 Danish 0.00%
4 Southeast_English 0.00%
5 Southwest_English 0.00%
6 Irish 0.00%
7 Dutch 0.00%
8 Norwegian 0.00%
9 French 0.00%
10 German 0.00%