Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

Great. I will add it to the spreadsheet. Don't think there will be many more Tat samples in the future.

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Kurd from Khoy in West Azerbaijan province in Iran:


Gedrosian: 22.80
Siberian: 3.34
Northwest_African: 0.47
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.64
North_European: 8.41
South_Asian 1.59
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 12.84
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 40.96
SSA: 0.00

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I think this Kurd has some extra Azeri-Persian ancestry. His 'Gedrosia' is on a lower side for a Kurd from Eastern Kurdistan. That person has also some 'Siberian' in him/her which is a clear indication of mixture

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Originally Posted by Guti

Do you know how much Tats of Azerbaijan (as Northwestern Iranic speakers) are mixed with the ethnic Azeri (as Turkic speakers).
Because those Tats in your example have some elevated Eastern Asian ancestry.

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All 4 people (one of them is my result) don't have any known Azeri mixture. One of the samples is from Lahij which is well known small mountainous town with a rich history. But talysh people from Azerbaijan have some elevated Eastern Asian ancestry, too. So, I guess there has been a lot of mixing in Azerbaijan in the past. Besides, some North Caucasians have as much as Eastern Asian ancestry as Azerbaijanis. I guess, Eastern Asian ancestry may possibly come from them, too, in addition to Azerbaijanis.

Full Kurds and Persians can score 2-3% East Eurasian too, that's not unusual.

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Originally Posted by turan4

All 4 people (one of them is my result) don't have any known Azeri mixture. One of the samples is from Lahij which is well known small mountainous town with a rich history. But talysh people from Azerbaijan have some elevated Eastern Asian ancestry, too. So, I guess there has been a lot of mixing in Azerbaijan in the past. Besides, some North Caucasians have as much as Eastern Asian ancestry as Azerbaijanis. I guess, Eastern Asian ancestry may possibly come from them, too, in addition to Azerbaijanis.

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Thanks bro. Tats are a very small community and are actually very much persecuted in Azerbaijan. I just wonder how much they are mixed. But you are right, when you move northwards toward Chechnya you will see the increase of Turkic and North European ancestry.

There are up to 1m Talysh/Tat people. The Tat subgroup of Talysh has only 40k souls.
There are even more Ezdi Kurds than Talysh people. And it makes me sad that most of them are assimilated either by the Persians or Azeri people.

They have to survive!


In general Talysh/Tat people are the closest Aryan (Northwestern Iranic) people to Aryan/Northwest Iranic Kurds. We have common ancestry from the Aryan/Northwest Iranic Medes. Talysh people have also some Scythian ancestry. They do plot closer to me than the Persians do. That is why I am very much interested in them.


Tats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdMrtSAdF2o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zroy9ehAv8E


Talysh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rinUpsJKCjA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvtRDKKrh9k



Are you mixed or a 'pure' Tat if they exist?

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Originally Posted by Leto

Full Kurds and Persians can score 2-3% East Eurasian too, that's not unusual.

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Kurds in Western Kurdistan have some Eastern Asian ancestry. But Kurds in Eastern Kurdistan have more Gedrosia and less Eastern Asian ancestry.

I am originally from those 'northern' Kurdistan areas. And I don't have much of Mongoloid ancestry. That means that Muslim Kurds are a little bit mixed with other Muslim populations.
Nevertheless there was not much mixture between Muslim Kurds and Muslim Azeris, because Muslim Kurds of 'Iran' are mostly Sunni, while Muslim Azeris are mostly Shia.

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Originally Posted by Guti

I think this Kurd has some extra Azeri-Persian ancestry. His 'Gedrosia' is on a lower side for a Kurd from Eastern Kurdistan. That person has also some 'Siberian' in him/her which is a clear indication of mixture

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Possible. Khoy is majority Azeri. And the Kurdish tribes of Maku and Khoy had history in Eastern Anatolia aswell.

But 3.30% EA is not unsusual for Kurds and other Iranians. It's not much more than the average.

Also Khoy is hardly "eastern" Kurdistan. It's a rarer northern region for Kurds.

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Originally Posted by Guti

Kurds in Western Kurdistan have some Eastern Asian ancestry. But Kurds in Eastern Kurdistan have more Gedrosia and less Eastern Asian ancestry.

I am originally from those 'northern' Kurdistan areas. And I don't have much of Mongoloid ancestry. That means that Muslim Kurds are a little bit mixed with other Muslim populations.
Nevertheless there was not much mixture between Muslim Kurds and Muslim Azeris, because Muslim Kurds of 'Iran' are mostly Sunni, while Muslim Azeris are mostly Shia.

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Turkish Kurd actually don't have more East Asian ancestry than Iranian Kurds. So that's false.

There are Shia Kurds in Kermanshah and Khorasan. Also there are turkified Shia Kurdish tribes among Azeris. Notably in Qarabaq in Qaradag and in Eastern Azerbaijan Province.

The Kurds in Khorasan frequently mix with Turks/Azeris aswell.

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Originally Posted by Guti

Thanks bro. Tats are a very small community and are actually very much persecuted in Azerbaijan. I just wonder how much they are mixed. But you are right, when you move northwards toward Chechnya you will see the increase of Turkic and North European ancestry.

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Stop talking out of your ass please. The Tats in Azerbaijan live in the Northeast bordering Dagestan. A region that didnt have much turkic prescence historically. Why should turkic ancestry increase towards Chechnya? The Tats are mixed. However not much with Turks but probably with other peasants and settled people previously living there. The most turkic regions in Azerbaijan Republic are in the Northwest bordering Georgia and Armenia and also in the south bordering Iran. The northeast is the least turkic region among all Azeris.

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There are up to 1m Talysh/Tat people. The Tat subgroup of Talysh has only 40k souls.
There are even more Ezdi Kurds than Talysh people. And it makes me sad that most of them are assimilated either by the Persians or Azeri people.

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Tats are not a subgroup of Talysh. They have completely different origins. The Tats of Azerbaijan speak a dialect of Persian. Talysh speak a northwest iranic language.

Don't mix up Tats of Azerbaijan Rep. (SW-Iranic) with Tats of Iran (NW-Iranic). Tat is an exonym.

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Originally Posted by Guti

Kurds in Western Kurdistan have some Eastern Asian ancestry. But Kurds in Eastern Kurdistan have more Gedrosia and less Eastern Asian ancestry.

I am originally from those 'northern' Kurdistan areas. And I don't have much of Mongoloid ancestry. That means that Muslim Kurds are a little bit mixed with other Muslim populations.
Nevertheless there was not much mixture between Muslim Kurds and Muslim Azeris, because Muslim Kurds of 'Iran' are mostly Sunni, while Muslim Azeris are mostly Shia.

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Figuratively 99% of Kurds are some kind of Muslims. The Yazidis are a vanishingly small population, now largely uprooted by various armed conflicts and political instability in Iraq and Syria. And you can't even become a Yazidi, just like the Druze one has to be born into a Yazidi family in order to count as such. In the West and Russia you people just intermarry and get diluted with time being cut off from the traditional lifestyle.