Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

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Originally Posted by Leto

I am Russian, not Indian. Yes, I've been against your propaganda for a long time. Some even suspect you might be Dilawer himself and he is known for holding a big fucking grudge against Gedmatch and Global25.

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Going off on tangents or telling people to shut up doesn’t make you look smarter.

Answer the fucking question. Do you or don’t you think the Dodecad k12 Caucasus references from the spreadsheet I posted carry E. Eurasian or not?? Or the the Gedrosian references?

If they do then you don’t have a say in the matter. Any sample scoring Caucasus or Gedrosian or S. Indian gets a cut of theirs


If Dilawer was so against Gedmatch why the fuck would he have a couple of calculators hosted there

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Originally Posted by Zoro

Answer the fucking question. Do you or don’t you think the Dodecad k12 Caucasus references from the spreadsheet I posted carry E. Eurasian or not?? Or the the Gedrosian references?

If they do then you don’t have a say in the matter. Any sample scoring Caucasus or Gedrosian or S. Indian gets a cut of theirs

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Yes, I do think those componets are almost entirely West Eurasian. You keep picking on me and anybody else who uses Dodecad scores in order to determine how much East/West Eur a sample is. That's why I have to strike back with harsh fighting words.

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Originally Posted by Guti

I see Tats as Persianized Talysh people living in the Caucasus. You can have a different few. It is up to you.

Tats and even the Chechens would have some Eastern Eurasian ancestry for the same reason as why Eastern Iranic Ossetians would have some Eastern Asian ancestry.

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Chechens and especially Dagestanis carry very little East Asian DNA in comparison to Azeris and Northwest Caucasians like Ossetians, Circassians and Karachay-Balkars that's why I was irritated by your statement.

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Originally Posted by Guti

Khoy is 'eastern' Kurdistan for sure and it was also a homeland of the Medes. And Kurds are derived from the Medes. So people who are derived from the Medes, like Kurds, have the biggest claims to that region.
Turks can never claim these lands, because Turks are not native to Northwestern Asia anyway.


Btw, there are many different Kurdish clans and tribes in Eastern Kurdistan. One of those tribes is a Donboli tribe. Donboli tribe of Khoy has an Ezdi origin:

The Donboli came from Bokhtan, a Kurdish region between Siirt and Cizre in what is now southeastern Turkey. The first ancestor was a certain Isa Beg, who became in 1378 the ruler of Sokmanabad. His descendant, Sheikh Ahmad Beg, entered service of the Turkmen Aq Quyunlu, and then the family held several posts in Persian administration. According to Sharafkhan Bidlisi, the members of Donboli tribes were Yezidi, but one of their leaders by the name of Isa Beg, together with other families, converted to Islam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donboli_(tribe)

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There also is the Kuresunni tribe, who supposedly are of turkish (Chepni) origin.

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Chechens and especially Dagestanis carry very little East Asian DNA in comparison to Azeris and Northwest Caucasians like Ossetians, Circassians and Karachay-Balkars that's why I was irritated by your statement.

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The Qumuqs are a Turkic people in Dagestan (Caspian coast). The third largest ethnic group there, I believe.

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Originally Posted by Leto

The Qumuqs are a Turkic people in Dagestan (Caspian coast). The third largest ethnic group there, I believe.

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Yes but still Northeastern Azerbaijan is by far the least East Eurasian influenced region.

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Originally Posted by Guti

Khoy is 'eastern' Kurdistan for sure and it was also a homeland of the Medes. And Kurds are derived from the Medes. So people who are derived from the Medes, like Kurds, have the biggest claims to that region.
Turks can never claim these lands, because Turks are not native to Northwestern Asia anyway.


Btw, there are many different Kurdish clans and tribes in Eastern Kurdistan. One of those tribes is a Donboli tribe. Donboli tribe of Khoy has an Ezdi origin:

The Donboli came from Bokhtan, a Kurdish region between Siirt and Cizre in what is now southeastern Turkey. The first ancestor was a certain Isa Beg, who became in 1378 the ruler of Sokmanabad. His descendant, Sheikh Ahmad Beg, entered service of the Turkmen Aq Quyunlu, and then the family held several posts in Persian administration. According to Sharafkhan Bidlisi, the members of Donboli tribes were Yezidi, but one of their leaders by the name of Isa Beg, together with other families, converted to Islam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donboli_(tribe)

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Khoy isn't Kurdistan at all buddy. It's Iran and the vast majority of the people are Azerbaijanis.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Yes, I do think those componets are almost entirely West Eurasian. You keep picking on me and anybody else who uses Dodecad scores in order to determine how much East/West Eur a sample is. That's why I have to strike back with harsh fighting words.

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You’re entitled to your opinion but the Caucasus, Gedrosian or S. Indian components are not entirely W. Eurasian because some of the Caucasus component references such as Balkars, Kumyks, Turks and Nogais do carry significant E. Eurasian.

Same thing for sone of the Gedrosian component S. Asian references they also carry significant E. Eurasian. Same for S. Indian.

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Khoy isn't Kurdistan at all buddy. It's Iran and the vast majority of the people are Azerbaijanis.

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LAMO, do you know what Khoy (Xoy) means? It means 'salt' in Kurdish. Turkic/Azeri name for salt is 'duz' or 'tuz', something very different than Khoy (Xoy).

Of course is Khoy a Kurdish city. The name of the city is of a Kurdic origin

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Originally Posted by Guti

I see Tats as Persianized Talysh people living in the Caucasus. You can have a different few. It is up to you.

Tats and even the Chechens would have some Eastern Eurasian ancestry for the same reason as why Eastern Iranic Ossetians would have some Eastern Asian ancestry.

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Few ydna evidence I'm aware doesn't support the fact that the Tats are assimilated Talysh. All paternal linages belonged to the local, caucasian branches unlike the Talysh.
Their language is not in the same branch as Talysh either. Don't know how dialects are defined but it is not mutually intelligible with Persian either. I say this as a person who is from an are adjecent to Tats and also have tat relatives.