Eurogenes K36 Oracle: my results

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Originally Posted by mlukas

Rather unlikely with such high Baltic in K13 for example that he is 100% Austrian.

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He is 100% Austrian but from areas which used to be ethnically Slovene in the Middle Ages (and later).

Didn't you read his posts? All of his ancestors are from Carinthia and Styria (or Medieval Carantania):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carantania

He is descended from Germanized Slavs.

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Originally Posted by karol.klacansky

I know many people from kärnten. He is just oblivious to his Slovene ancestry as almost all of them claim to have some Slovene ancestry and some I knew were full slovenes ethnically but had German surnames at least they told me this

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No, he just doesn't know his Slovene ancestry. Apparently they were Germanized long ago.

By the way what is "100% Austrian"? Austrians are a mixed group and have a lot of Slavic ancestry too.

Austrians got their language from Bavarians, but they are not 100% Bavarian-descended.

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Originally Posted by mlukas

I used for Austria sample 50% Tyrolians. Just to omit possible Slavic input.

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If you used East Tyrol then you did not omit Slavic imput, there are many Slavic toponyms in East Tyrol.

Austrians without Slavic input = Bavarians (except for North-Eastern Bavarians who have some Slavic).

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Originally Posted by Litvin

He is 100% Austrian but from areas which used to be ethnically Slovene in the Middle Ages (and later).

Didn't you read his posts? All of his ancestors are from Carinthia and Styria (or Medieval Carantania):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carantania

He is descended from Germanized Slavs.

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So I whatis the point?:)

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If you used East Tyrol then you did not omit Slavic imput, there are many Slavic toponyms in East Tyrol.

Austrians without Slavic input = Bavarians (except for North-Eastern Bavarians who have some Slavic).

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Doesn't matter. Tyrol has much minor Slavic input than Eastern Austria and this is what I mean. I don't talk about Bavaria. For Austria - Tyrol is least Slavic .
You don't agree?:)
Oh I forgot Voralberg. But find me Voralbergian on Gedmatch...

according to litvin everyones either a slav or else they arent european

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Originally Posted by Litvin

No, he just doesn't know his Slovene ancestry. Apparently they were Germanized long ago.

By the way what is "100% Austrian"? Austrians are a mixed group and have a lot of Slavic ancestry too.

Austrians got their language from Bavarians, but they are not 100% Bavarian-descended.

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Yes he just didn't realize it, I'm surprised though with a last name like his.

Corinthia and steiermark are heavily slovene in ancestry while the rest of the country is influenced mostly by Czechs at least in eastern Austria. Even Arnold Schwarzenegger's mother had the maiden name "Jadrny" a classic Czech name.

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Originally Posted by Thevillager

according to litvin everyones either a slav or else they arent european

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He's right though [emoji41] . And austrians are heavily slavic.

Michael Ballack and Arnold Schwarzenegger are good examples of when Slavic and Germanic blood mix. Ballack is of sorbian and German heritage. They both have a similar look in my opinion .https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...40fa936ae9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...4c3e405824.jpg

User Deniz (Bulgarian Turk msotly with some Tatar) oracle. It's modeled with the use of Bulgarian Turk average (6 persons)


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 BLG_Turk @ 9,52968
2 Bulgarian @ 11,748628
3 Greek_Macedonia @ 13,4833
4 Greek_Azov @ 14,136091
5 Macedonian @ 14,303587
6 Montenegrian @ 14,763876
7 Tatar_Crimea_Coast @ 14,986367
8 Serbian @ 15,273662
9 GR_Macedonia2 @ 15,623874
10 GR_Istanbul @ 15,796866


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Tatar_Volga+GR_Kythera @ 9,226171
2 Tatar_Volga+GR_Crete @ 9,422529
3 Greek_Azov+Hungary @ 9,430574
4 Tatar_Volga+GR_Cyclades @ 9,47183
5 Tatar_Volga+Gr_Kalymnos @ 9,52328
6 BLG_Turk+BLG_Turk @ 9,52968
7 Tatar_Volga+Sicily_Catania @ 9,538596
8 Carpathian+Greek_Azov @ 9,566914
9 Tatar_Volga+Sicily_Trapani @ 9,628467
10 Tatar_Volga+Askhenazi @ 9,647913


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Azov +25% Erzya +25% Gr_Eubea @ 7,886763
2 50% Greek_Azov +25% Tatar_Volga +25% IT_Friuli @ 7,896796
3 50% Greek_Azov +25% Erzya +25% IT_Friuli @ 7,915012
4 50% Greek_Azov +25% Moksha +25% IT_Friuli @ 7,921351
5 50% Greek_Azov +25% Moksha +25% Gr_Eubea @ 7,954505
6 50% Greek_Azov +25% Tatar_Yunusbaev +25% IT_Friuli @ 8,087192
7 50% Greek_Azov +25% Erzya +25% GR_Macedonia2 @ 8,154174
8 50% Gr_Eubea +25% Greek_Azov +25% Moksha @ 8,187286
9 50% Greek_Azov +25% Tatar_Kryashen +25% IT_Friuli @ 8,192384
10 50% Greek_Azov +25% Erzya +25% Sicily_Agrigento @ 8,237964


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Greek_Azov+Tatar_Volga+Gr_Eubea+BLG_Turk @ 7,883227
2 Erzya+Greek_Azov+Greek_Azov+Gr_Eubea @ 7,886763
3 Greek_Azov+Greek_Azov+Tatar_Volga+IT_Friuli @ 7,896796
4 Greek_Azov+Moksha+Askhenazi+BLG_Turk @ 7,89745
5 Greek_Azov+Moksha+Sicily_Agrigento+BLG_Turk @ 7,897678
6 Erzya+Greek_Azov+Greek_Azov+IT_Friuli @ 7,915012
7 Greek_Azov+Greek_Azov+Moksha+IT_Friuli @ 7,921351
8 Bulgarian+Greek_Azov+Tatar_Volga+Askhenazi @ 7,932573
9 Greek_Azov+Greek_Azov+Moksha+Gr_Eubea @ 7,954505
10 Carpathian+Greek_Azov+Tatar_Volga+GR_Crete @ 7,963031


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 BLG_Turk @ 6,84218
2 Bulgarian @ 7,072932
3 Greek_Azov @ 8,708955
4 Tatar_Crimea_Coast @ 8,983131
5 Serbian @ 9,803645
6 Ashkenazi_Eastern_Euro @ 9,807553
7 Macedonian @ 9,813206
8 Montenegrian @ 9,84513
9 Greek_Macedonia @ 10,06226
10 Bosnian @ 10,256193


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Erzya+GR_Kythera @ 5,447356
2 Erzya+Gr_Kalymnos @ 5,465371
3 Moksha+Gr_Kalymnos @ 5,529344
4 Moksha+GR_Kythera @ 5,575559
5 Erzya+GR_Cyclades @ 5,635342


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% GR_Cyclades +25% Carpathian +25% Erzya @ 5,110949
2 50% GR_Cyclades +25% Carpathian +25% Moksha @ 5,124421
3 50% GR_Cyclades +25% Erzya +25% IT_Friuli @ 5,143174
4 50% GR_Cyclades +25% Moksha +25% IT_Friuli @ 5,163367
5 50% Gr_Eubea +25% Erzya +25% Greek_Azov @ 5,184062

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Erzya+Greek_Azov+GR_Cyclades+IT_Friuli @ 5,103543
2 Carpathian+Erzya+GR_Cyclades+GR_Cyclades @ 5,110949
3 Carpathian+Moksha+GR_Cyclades+GR_Cyclades @ 5,124421
4 Erzya+Greek_Azov+Gr_Kalymnos+IT_Friuli @ 5,127011
5 Erzya+GR_Cyclades+GR_Cyclades+IT_Friuli @ 5,143174

For comparison Bulgarian T665244

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 8,340108
2 Macedonian @ 8,91082
3 Greek_Macedonia @ 9,525852
4 Montenegrian @ 10,118878
5 BLG_Turk @ 10,454531
6 Serbian @ 10,894861
7 Greek_Peloponnes @ 12,119282
8 GR_Epirus @ 12,369803
9 Kosovar @ 12,3776
10 GR_Macedonia2 @ 12,713874
11 Bosnian @ 13,051149
12 Gr_Eubea @ 13,580327
13 IT_Friuli @ 13,928075
14 GR_Peloponese2 @ 13,964516
15 Albania_South @ 14,224711
16 Croatian @ 14,500254
17 Albania_North @ 14,994946
18 GR_Istanbul @ 15,185775
19 GR_Pontic @ 15,200914
20 GR_Central @ 15,539516
189 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Bosnian+Greek_Peloponnes @ 7,068673
2 Bosnian+GR_Cyclades @ 7,133689
3 Bosnian+Gr_Chios @ 7,192614
4 Bosnian+Sicily_Ragusa @ 7,22223
5 Bosnian+GR_Epirus @ 7,237327
6 Ashkenazi_Eastern_Euro+Bosnian @ 7,296282
7 Carpathian+GR_Cyclades @ 7,297227
8 Bosnian+Gr_Kalymnos @ 7,374512
9 Croatian+GR_Cyclades @ 7,482975
10 Bosnian+GR_Pontic @ 7,560156


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% GR_Epirus +25% Sicily_Ragusa +25% PL_Sudovia @ 5,901473
2 50% GR_Epirus +25% Ashkenazi_Eastern_Euro +25% PL_Sudovia @ 5,946561
3 50% GR_Epirus +25% GR_Cyclades +25% PL_Sudovia @ 5,959364
4 50% GR_Epirus +25% GR_Ikaria +25% PL_Sudovia @ 5,969594
5 50% GR_Epirus +25% Ashkenazi_Eastern_Euro +25% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 6,010451
6 50% GR_Epirus +25% Sicily_Ragusa +25% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 6,016636
7 50% GR_Epirus +25% Ashkenazi_Eastern_Euro +25% PL_Mazovia @ 6,072251
8 50% GR_Epirus +25% GR_Crete +25% PL_Sudovia @ 6,117977
9 50% GR_Epirus +25% GR_Ikaria +25% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 6,122044
10 50% GR_Cyclades +25% GR_Epirus +25% PL_Sudovia @ 6,123288


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Greek_Peloponnes+GR_Epirus+GR_Cyclades+PL_Sudovia @ 5,710214
2 Sicily_Ragusa+GR_Epirus+GR_Cyclades+PL_Sudovia @ 5,858813
3 GR_Epirus+Gr_Eubea+GR_Cyclades+PL_Sudovia @ 5,877721
4 Greek_Peloponnes+Sicily_Ragusa+GR_Epirus+PL_Sudovi a @ 5,890371
5 Sicily_Ragusa+GR_Epirus+GR_Epirus+PL_Sudovia @ 5,901473
6 Greek_Peloponnes+GR_Epirus+GR_Cyclades+PL_Podlasie _East_Mazovia @ 5,939507
7 Ashkenazi_Eastern_Euro+GR_Epirus+GR_Epirus+PL_Sudo via @ 5,946561
8 GR_Epirus+GR_Epirus+GR_Cyclades+PL_Sudovia @ 5,959364
9 GR_Epirus+GR_Epirus+GR_Ikaria+PL_Sudovia @ 5,969594
10 GR_Epirus+GR_Pontic+GR_Cyclades+PL_Sudovia @ 5,972345



Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Macedonia @ 4,544596
2 Macedonian @ 4,633805
3 Bulgarian @ 4,927399
4 Montenegrian @ 4,965465
5 Kosovar @ 5,071722
6 Albania_North @ 5,143518
7 Greek_Peloponnes @ 5,195466
8 Serbian @ 5,250665
9 IT_Friuli @ 5,290023
10 Albania_South @ 5,439421
11 GR_Macedonia2 @ 5,618077
12 Bosnian @ 6,223077
13 Gr_Eubea @ 6,248491
14 IT_Veneto @ 6,309658
15 GR_Peloponese2 @ 6,340813
16 GR_Central @ 6,474989
17 GR_Epirus @ 6,477673
18 BLG_Turk @ 6,712363
19 Croatian @ 6,812083
20 North_Italy @ 7,166286
189 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Serbian+GR_Epirus @ 3,536744
2 Macedonian+GR_Epirus @ 3,574121
3 Montenegrian+GR_Epirus @ 3,588398
4 Carpathian+GR_Epirus @ 3,621707
5 Bosnian+GR_Epirus @ 3,676257
6 Slovenian+GR_Epirus @ 3,765306
7 Greek_Macedonia+GR_Epirus @ 3,839322
8 Croatian+GR_Epirus @ 3,886902
9 GR_Epirus+IT_Friuli @ 4,021866
10 Bosnian+GR_Pontic @ 4,060732
11 Slovenian+GR_Pontic @ 4,084582
12 Carpathian+Greek_Peloponnes @ 4,089889
13 Bulgarian+GR_Epirus @ 4,120423

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% GR_Epirus +25% Lithuanian +25% GR_Epirus @ 2,878948
2 50% GR_Epirus +25% GR_Epirus +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 2,918453
3 50% GR_Epirus +25% GR_Epirus +25% PL_Mazovia @ 2,947203
4 50% GR_Epirus +25% GR_Epirus +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 2,963718
5 50% GR_Epirus +25% GR_Epirus +25% PL_Upper_Silesia @ 2,99557
6 50% GR_Epirus +25% GR_Epirus +25% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 3,005136
7 50% GR_Epirus +25% GR_Epirus +25% Pl_north @ 3,005751
8 50% GR_Epirus +25% GR_Epirus +25% East_Prussia @ 3,028261
9 50% GR_Epirus +25% GR_Epirus +25% PL_South_Poland @ 3,04825
10 50% GR_Epirus +25% Slovenian +25% GR_Epirus @ 3,057883


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Lithuanian+GR_Epirus+GR_Epirus+GR_Epirus @ 2,878948
2 GR_Epirus+GR_Epirus+GR_Epirus+Pl_Kashubians @ 2,918453
3 GR_Epirus+GR_Epirus+GR_Epirus+PL_Mazovia @ 2,947203
4 GR_Epirus+GR_Epirus+GR_Epirus+PL_Wielkopolska @ 2,963718
5 GR_Epirus+GR_Epirus+GR_Epirus+PL_Upper_Silesia @ 2,99557
6 GR_Epirus+GR_Epirus+GR_Epirus+PL_Podlasie_East_Maz ovia @ 3,005136
7 GR_Epirus+GR_Epirus+GR_Epirus+Pl_north @ 3,005751
8 GR_Epirus+GR_Epirus+GR_Epirus+East_Prussia @ 3,028261
9 GR_Epirus+GR_Epirus+GR_Epirus+PL_South_Poland @ 3,04825
10 Slovenian+GR_Epirus+GR_Epirus+GR_Epirus @ 3,057883

Is there a spreadhsheet with all the populations averageS ?

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Originally Posted by Ibericus

Is there a spreadhsheet with all the populations averageS ?

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Yes I'd be interested to also see it.