South Slavic & neighbours gedmatch results - vol.2

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Jozić is exclusively Croatian surname. There is no Serbs with that surname.

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Nobody said that they are. Croat and Serb averages on GEDmatch are trash, hence the confusion.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Nobody said that they are. Croat and Serb averages on GEDmatch are trash, hence the confusion.

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They are not averages even. Both Croatian and Serbian references are based just on 1 person!
Davidski showed how serious he is with that, don't know what was he thinking.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Can you show this person's Dodecad K12b components?

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Gedrosia	2.68 Pct
Siberian	-
Northwest_African	1.63 Pct
Southeast_Asian	0.92 Pct
Atlantic_Med	25.62 Pct
North_European	41.39 Pct
South_Asian	0.56 Pct
East_African	-
Southwest_Asian	5.77 Pct
East_Asian	-
Caucasus	21.37 Pct
Sub_Saharan	-

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

They are not averages even. Both Croatian and Serbian references are based just on 1 person!
Davidski showed how serious he is with that, don't know what was he thinking.

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We have a similar story with the Moldavian average, so that's not surprising.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Nobody said that they are. Croat and Serb averages on GEDmatch are trash, hence the confusion.

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I know.
I just say, because I am familiar with Serbian and Croatian surnames. For non-Serbian and non-Croatian speakers Serbian and Croatian surnames look like same "shit" on average. There are tons which are same, but same are exclusively Serbian or Croatian.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

I know.
I just say, because I am familiar with Serbian and Croatian surnames. For non-Serbian and non-Croatian speakers Serbian and Croatian surnames look like same "shit" on average. There are tons which are same, but same are exclusively Serbian or Croatian.

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So the conclusion is that she's a Serb from Croatia? If you guys are really interested in this, then you should probably ask her.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

So the conclusion is that she's a Serb from Croatia? If you guys are really interested in this, then you should probably ask her.

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I think she is mixed. In that town is also biggest Czech minority in entire Croatia, but also Serbs were present.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Yes, there is big Slavic input in SW Slavs. These are all Croats from west Herzegovina, darkest pigmented Croatian region and people there tended to have very dinaric look in the past.
That's why many called them Vlachs, even many Croats especially from Panonnian regions.

These samples are from highland villages around Mostar. I'm having correspondence with this woman who send them to me, she is really kind.

Many Croats have prejudice towards these people, Croats of Herzegovina, but so far they have been most willing to help me and share their results with me, much more than Croats from Croatia.
I'm proud my paternal line is from the same region. :)

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I had a friend from Zagreb who told me in Croatia they don't think of Croatians from Bosnia as Croatian rather just as Bosnian. Kinda ridiculous if u ask me, Hungarians will die for Hungarians in Romania and Slovakia but Croatians don't even care about their own people lol.

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Originally Posted by Karol Klačansky

I had a friend from Zagreb who told me in Croatia they don't think of Croatians from Bosnia as Croatian rather just as Bosnian. Kinda ridiculous if u ask me, Hungarians will die for Hungarians in Romania and Slovakia but Croatians don't even care about their own people lol.

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That's not true, vast majority considers them Croats but there is minority of people of leftist orientation, usually from bigger city who feel threathened by them (BiH Croats are very conservative and nationalistic) so they spread stupid stereotypes.They try to show themself was urban, middle-class, European, progressive people vs barbarians from Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Funny thing is 99% of these people are of rural origins and saw cities first time in their life after 1945 when their grandpas entered cities with tanks and killed or expelled older urban population.

Important fact also: Croats are in specific position, because Croats from Croatia and BiH Croats have very different history, and culture differs as well.
Even Croats from Croatia differ very much because of fragmentation of Croatian lands in the past when they were ruled by different Empires and people were separated for centuries.

That's why Croatia is culturally more heterogenous than some much bigger European countries.
Majority of Croats lived in lands under Hungarian crown, Dalmatians and Istrians lived in lands under Venetian rule, BiH Croats lived under Ottoman rule and Croats in military frontier lived in their own militarised province under direct rule of Vienna army command which was something like American wild west in comparison with civil Croatia.

Due to all this, regional chauvinism and narrow-minded thinking is still high.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

That's not true, vast majority considers them Croats but there is minority of people of leftist orientation, usually from bigger city who feel threathened by them (BiH Croats are very conservative and nationalistic) so they spread stupid stereotypes.They try to show themself was urban, middle-class, European, progressive people vs barbarians from Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Funny thing is 99% of these people are of rural origins and saw cities first time in their life after 1945 when their grandpas entered cities with tanks and killed or expelled older urban population.

Important fact also: Croats are in specific position, because Croats from Croatia and BiH Croats have very different history, and culture differs as well.
Even Croats from Croatia differ very much because of fragmentation of Croatian lands in the past when they were ruled by different Empires and people were separated for centuries.

That's why Croatia is culturally more heterogenous than some much bigger European countries.
Majority of Croats lived in lands under Hungarian crown, Dalmatians and Istrians lived in lands under Venetian rule, BiH Croats lived under Ottoman rule and Croats in military frontier lived in their own militarised province under direct rule of Vienna army command which was something like American wild west in comparison with civil Croatia.

Due to all this, regional chauvinism and narrow-minded thinking is still high.

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I think her mother and father were from Zagorje region, her father though was from a village of greek catholics and her last name is Kekic. were greek catholics in croatia orginally serbian?