"35%-55% Ashkenazis are of European Descent"

Here's some genetics for ya':
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-O31KYx5a1g...89372-BGA4.png

^As you clearly see, Ashkenazi Jews are outside of the European reference populations cluster. There are some other McDonald PCA plots where Jews are clustering with the pseudo-European Cypriots (who aren't in the European cluster), but I couldn't find those with Google search.

Source: Dr. Doug McDonald

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Originally Posted by PetiteParisienne

Ashkenazis are a European ethnic group. I was born in England, so I could be called 'English', though I am not of English descent. I was simply born here. Neither my mother nor my father are English. My mother is Romanian and my father is French. Therefore I am of Romanian and French descent.

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I'm English. I should be called English.


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ah whatever. Another foreign type bleating on .

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Originally Posted by PetiteParisienne

Name calling. Very nice.

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Ignoring difficult questions that challenge your faulty reasoning. Very nice. :coffee:

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Originally Posted by Loki

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Awwww....
:kiss2:

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Originally Posted by Anachronistic

Here's some genetics for ya':
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-O31KYx5a1g...89372-BGA4.png

^As you clearly see, Ashkenazi Jews are outside of the European reference populations cluster. There are some other McDonald PCA plots where Jews are clustering with the pseudo-European Cypriots (who aren't in the European cluster), but I couldn't find those with Google search.

Source: Dr. Doug McDonald

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Closer to Mediterranean Europeans than Georgians!! :eek:

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Originally Posted by Anachronistic

Here's some genetics for ya':
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-O31KYx5a1g...89372-BGA4.png

^As you clearly see, Ashkenazi Jews are outside of the European reference populations cluster. There are some other McDonald PCA plots where Jews are clustering with the pseudo-European Cypriots (who aren't in the European cluster), but I couldn't find those with Google search.

Source: Dr. Doug McDonald

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Sicilians, Southern Italians, and Cypriots are not on this chart. They would bridge the gap.. ;)

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Originally Posted by Loki

Btw Ossie is not nearly as menacing in real life as he is in the e-world :D :p

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I don't find him menacing, thankfully. He's just not very sportsmanlike.

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Originally Posted by Loki

Closer to Mediterranean Europeans than Georgians!! :eek:

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Well, yes. Ashkenazi Jews may be extremely ethnocentric and endogamous in comparision to their European neighbours, but there have at least been some mixing with the goyim.

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Originally Posted by Osweo

Ignoring difficult questions that challenge your faulty reasoning. Very nice. :coffee:


Awwww....
:kiss2:

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I don't find them difficult, I'm just not going to continue wasting my breath on someone who resorts to bullying.

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Originally Posted by Osweo

Why don't you use a little of your Jew Gold to get yourself and your dad a 23 and Me genetics test. I'm sure you'll find some distinct markers linking you to your 'co-religionists'.

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Jew Gold. :D I could do with some of that. :rolleyes:

Personally I don't know what to think. I see some Jewish people who I despise, mostly greedy, corporate, exploiting types, but then I see the majority who are just like the rest of us.
It is easy to say that these "bad Jews" are the result of the traits of the Jewish people, but when we look at our own people in such situations of influence we see how many of them are corrupted by power too.

There is probably a disproportionate amount of "bad Jews", the exploitative people who are the stereotype, but this is perhaps more the result of Jews having disproportionate access to such positions of power because of their past situation.

I hope I'm making some sense.

But as I said, most of them are decent people who don't want to cause any trouble and integrate and contribute well to society. Compare Jews to Muslims in Britain and I certainly know which group I prefer. Jews any day.

Then there's the problem of identity. This is an issue I haven't been able to decide on yet largely because it has to be a Jewish decision. I'm not sure whether Jews can ever be English.
On one hand you could argue it is just a religion, but then again it has all the strings attached - the history, the distinct sub-culture and identity, the siege mentality.
I'm trying to be impartial here, I have no fondness for Jews but I can hardly be said to hate them, if anything it's more a general indifference.
Most Jews in Britain identify as "British" I believe though, but that is just a nationality which embraces the various native and non-native ethnic groups so you might as well call yourself a citizen of the UN....

The native British ethnicities formed from old, extinct ethnicities and tribes with smaller elements from elsewhere. The problem is that the Jews have never really been accepted into one of them.
In Wales there was a minority Flemish presence, various French presences in England throughout history such as Norman and Huegenot (French Protestant). But as such a distinctive sub-culture the Jews have never fully become a member of one of the native ethnicities. Non-practising Jews are probably an exception, but it kind of defeats the purpose of the argument when they have to give up the religion the cherish so dearly to assimilate fully.


So in essence I don't know entirely what to think, so I'm rather on the fence about it at the moment until convinced otherwise.


Anyway, those are my thoughts on the issue in Britain at least, sorry for the long-winded post.

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Originally Posted by Sicilianu101

Sicilians, Southern Italians, and Cypriots are not on this chart. They would bridge the gap.. ;)

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Sicilians, Southern Italians, and Cypriots - Semitic (and a bit North African too, me thinks) admixed Europeans

Ashkenazi Jews - European admixed Semites

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