Is West Asian a European component?

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Originally Posted by Raine

Wrong. West Asian peaks in Georgians i.e Northern Caucassians who incidentily look European.

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Dumb ass, North Caucasians have Northern European admixture. That's why they look more European than Georgians do, who hardly have any. Also, Georgia is at a higher latitude than the countries just south of it are. So the climate is much more temperate, hence why they're lighter.

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Iranians, Pakistanis and Iranians have other components in high % that are not found in Europe. Pakistanis for example score 60% South Asian.

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On the contrary, Gedrosia is found in Europe. Yet incidentally, the WHG component isn't. Which further vindicates their Near Eastern Neolithic origin.

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Georgians score some 60% West Asian, but they lack other components such as the Mediterannean and Northern European or they have them in negligable
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So what, just because Georgians lack those other two components doesn't mean they're European. West Asian is not a European component, get over it.

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Originally Posted by Hellenas

Do you read what you write? 19 Greeks represent the total population of Greece?

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You don't need extraordinarily large sample sizes to represent an entire population 20-30, is sufficient to make inferences about the entire population.

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It's the same thing non-European and "non-European DNA", as I told you it has completely Euroreanized. Also an amount of Greeks have a haplogroup which came from north African haplogroup E, does this makes them 'Africans'?

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Europeanized? Give me a fucking break, it still originated in the Middle East. Their paternal haplogroups would still ultimately be East African in origin, so cry me a river.

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Originally Posted by Energia

Saying West Asian component is non Euro therefore labelling any Greek, Italian or wichever European who has it as foreigner, is like saying a Turk who's born on the European side of Istanbul isn't a real Turkish...

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False analogy. It isn't anything at all like declaring that a Turk is Non-European because of the geographical location he was born in, is part of Europe. That Turk is still genetically Non-European, and some Southern Europeans despite being in Europe for a long time are still partially genetically Non-European.

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Europe doesn't end on Gibraltar and Istanbul, these are mere geographical conventional terms, in reality you see clines and clines...
otherwise tell me why I should consider West Asian alien but haplogroup N European?while it's much more spread in Siberia than Europe?

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Haplogroups are very, very tenuous portion of your entire ancestry, and it has absolutely no effect on phenotype. Autosomal DNA however, does. Also genes mirror geography for the most part, so there is in fact a genetic cline that starts and ends in Europe. Those populations don't include Turks.

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How about call it South East Europe component instead of West Asian?:rolleyes:

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How about you learn to accept the facts about your Non-European ancestry?

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Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis

Asian is just a word. If we say "West Asian" is not European, we are saying people from Barcelona, Athens, and Marseilles may not be fully European.

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Do you have a problem with that, if so, allow me to give you a late Christmas present.

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Originally Posted by safinator

Yes, it's closest to North Euro component and haves an old historical diffusion into Europe.

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It's closest North European, because North European branched off from West Asian, which is further substantiated by the interrelationships between the components.

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Originally Posted by Vesuvian Sky

West Asian as strictly a very recent Bronze age component to Europe = Dienekes wet dream/ultimate fantasy land.

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Considering the fact, that we don't have WHG related ancestry. I wouldn't snidely dismiss as being "Dienekes' wet dream/ultimate fantasy land." Regardless how long it's been present in Europe, what we know for sure is that it did not emerge in Europe.

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

So-called "west asia" is simply europe. It's only recently that mongol, turk, levant, and african dna flooded in. And it's still mainly european DNA.

No one can say for sure where this genetic component comes from but I don't think anatolia is a bad guess, but ancient anatolia, which was much different.

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It's not part of Europe, you fucking idiot. Europeans are a Middle Eastern daughter population, therefore is most certainly is Middle Eastern DNA that YOU are carrying not the other way around, all genetic and archaeological evidence supports this. Also, the East Eurasian and Sub-Saharan African in most parts of the Middle East are negligible at best.

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Originally Posted by Nordopelli

xD

Georgians and Iranians score 90% west asian, South Italians score 50% and Germanic/Slavic core groups score 20%. The gap is obvious.

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Iranians don't score anywhere close to 90%. More like 48.4%.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...tUE9kaUE#gid=2

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Originally Posted by Marowit

West asian admixture originates in west asia therefore it is non "European", the elevated concetration of west Asian admixture in SE Europe is mostly due to immigration from the eastern mediterranean within the last 2000/3000 years but also due to the neolithic expansion of farmers.

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You've reversed those two, it's actually most due to Neolithic migrations from the Fertile Crescent followed by more recent historical migrations.

Pure European is a social construct in a lot of cases. This is why it's stupid to define people like Vince Vaughn as mixed.