Are light traits in Southern Europe due to the northern European admixture ?

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Originally Posted by Reozek

i believe Livi used a sort of Martin-Schultz scale (even if probably they weren't even born when Antropometria Militare was published) and he considered as light eyes those eye colors who correspond to 1 to 8 in the M.S. scale (pure blue to green with little yellow or brown) ...in this study about Sardinian pigmentation the percentage of light eyes correspond exactly with that of Livi : 13.9% (Martin Schutz scale 1 to 8) IMO it can't be a coincidence

http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home..._num_10_2_3898

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin%...3Schultz_scale

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What was the scale that Coon used? According to him gheg highlanders have in average 45% light eyes.

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Originally Posted by Kastrioti1443

What was the scale that Coon used? According to him gheg highlanders have in average 45% light eyes.

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i think the Martin scale (not Martin-Schultz) because if i remember correctly very light eyes in Coon's work are numbered 16 , 15 , 14 etc..

you can find it here at page 207 : http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home...8_num_3_3_1417

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Originally Posted by Reozek

i believe Livi used a sort of Martin-Schultz scale (even if probably they weren't even born when Antropometria Militare was published) and he considered light eyes those colors who correspond to 1 to 8 in the M.S. scale (pure blue to green with little yellow or brown) ...in this study about Sardinian pigmentation the percentage of light eyes correspond exactly with that of Livi : 13.9% (Martin Schutz scale 1 to 8) IMO it can't be a coincidence

http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home..._num_10_2_3898

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin%...3Schultz_scale

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That's not true. Livi's survey realised in the XIX century didn't consider hazel, light brown and amber eyes as light eyes, but only blue, grey and green. While in the study regarding Sardinians by Cosseddu realised in 1983, the percentage of true light eyes (pure blue, grey and green) (based on Martin Shultz scale) is 16%.

this is instead the % including light and mixed eyes from the same study based on martin shultz scale:
http://oi41.tinypic.com/ajt9v9.jpg

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Originally Posted by Sikeliot

Yes and no.

Greece today has Slavic influence which lightened them.
But Greece also has a lot of Pontians living there who moved from Pontos.. and Pontians are Hellenized Armenian-like people, thus bringing a racially alien and darker type into Greece.

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Dude pontian greeks are not hellenized Armenians, :picard1:

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Originally Posted by gregor

Dude pontian greeks are not hellenized Armenians, :picard1:

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They cluster near Armenians on 23andme and not Greeks.

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Originally Posted by Sikeliot

They cluster near Armenians on 23andme and not Greeks.

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Because the greeks of Balkan are mostly balkan tribes.

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Originally Posted by Sikeliot

They cluster near Armenians on 23andme and not Greeks.

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And georgians cluster with Iranian people, Sorry but i dont buy it.

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Originally Posted by P-Chan

That's not true. Livi's survey realised in the XIX century didn't consider hazel, light brown and amber eyes as light eyes, but only blue, grey and green. While in the study regarding Sardinians by Cosseddu realised in 1983, the percentage of true light eyes (pure blue, grey and green) (based on Martin Shultz scale) is 16%.

this is instead the % including light and mixed eyes from the same study based on martin shultz scale:

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Of course if light-mixed eyes are considered as light, the percentage will grow.

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Originally Posted by Kastrioti1443

Because the greeks of Balkan are mostly balkan tribes.

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It makes much more sense to assume that Pontic Greeks, living directly next to Armenia, are related to them.

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Originally Posted by P-Chan

That's not true. Livi's survey realised in the XIX century didn't consider hazel, light brown and amber eyes as light eyes, but only blue, grey and green. While in the study regarding Sardinians by Cosseddu realised in 1983, the percentage of true light eyes (pure blue, grey and green) (based on Martin Shultz scale) is 16%.

this is instead the % including light and mixed eyes from the same study based on martin shultz scale:
http://oi41.tinypic.com/ajt9v9.jpg

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that's correct. That percentage of pure light eyes is also confirmed from a previous study by the anthropologist Carlo Maxia entitled "LE CARATTERISTICHE DELLA PIGMENTAZIONE DEI CAPELLI, DELLE IRIDI E DELLA CUTE NEI GIOVANETTI DAI 6 AI 14 ANNI IN 123 COMUNI E FRAZIONI DELLA SARDEGNA":

blue 4,24%
grey 5,37%
green 6,27%